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#161 Rajexico

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Posted 30 April 2008 - 09:07 AM

Well, your version was clunkier, but I guess whatever satisfies the editors.

I'm not writing a telegram. The gain in accuracy and clarity is clearly worth a very small increase in the number of words. Anyone who writes regularly has to rework sentences - yes, sometimes even adding words - in all sorts of situations. The English language is just not elegant.

I'm not really that stringent about these things. The initial issue I brought up was "Are REM getting their mojo back?" which is the worst of both worlds. If it was "Are the White Stripes getting their mojo back?" I never would have noticed it or brought it up in this thread.

And, oh boy. Don't even get me started on the "can" vs "may" debate, especially when asking for permission in the negative. (Should I have said "Mayn't I vent mine too? May I not vent mine too?" I assume you're just needling me, but just in case, both those options would not convey the conversational tone I was trying to convey.)

Yeah, just needling.

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Posted 30 April 2008 - 09:25 AM

Well, your version was clunkier, but I guess whatever satisfies the editors.

I'm not writing a telegram. The gain in accuracy and clarity is clearly worth a very small increase in the number of words. Anyone who writes regularly has to rework sentences - yes, sometimes even adding words - in all sorts of situations. The English language is just not elegant.


Guess I should've just left it alone.

But I've been there, staring at a sentence, trying to hit the balance between sounding right, being clear, and adhering to AP style, in the end settling for something that, while most correct, seemed the weakest option.

I don't really have a point, so whatever.

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Posted 30 April 2008 - 09:46 AM

There was a girl in high school who constantly said, "I seen." It ruined all chances of me taking her seriously.

irregardless

Oh gosh, I hope you said this as a joke. Some Girl is going to hit you in the head with a brick.

Icky word!

#164 Damo Suzuki

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Posted 30 April 2008 - 09:50 AM

Lately, I've noticed a trend in which people say "tooken" in place of "taken".
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Posted 30 April 2008 - 09:51 AM

tangentially related pet peeves: bombastic does not = forceful/resounding vapid does not = idiotic/oblivious back to grammar
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Posted 30 April 2008 - 09:57 AM

Hey grammar nerds, I just said "if only it were" in another thread. Why is that correct (or not) as opposed to "if only it was"? Something to do with tense. It's been a long time since grade school. Also, is there a good place to put the question mark at the end of the second sentence above? I say no. Suppose it goes inside the quote, but that feels ridonkulous. Raj would just rewrite the sentence. I, however, am lazy.

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Posted 30 April 2008 - 10:00 AM

Hey grammar nerds, I just said "if only it were" in another thread. Why is that correct (or not) as opposed to "if only it was"? Something to do with past tense. It's been a long time since grade school.

Also, is there a good place to put the question mark at the end of the second sentence above? I say no. Suppose it goes inside the quote, but that feels ridonkulous. Raj would just rewrite the sentence. I, however, am lazy.


"were" is right.

the ? should be inside but yeah, sometimes that just looks weird.

EDIT: Oh you're asking WHY "were" is correct. Not sure I know. Something about the past perfect tense and the conditional "if" requires it. But that's about the extent of my bullshitting ability.
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Posted 30 April 2008 - 10:04 AM

what do you write when a song is possessive? ("Enter Sandman's" pummeling brutality) changes the title of the song but I can't accept ("Enter Sandman"'s).

Also, is there a good place to put the question mark at the end of that sentence? I say no. Suppose it goes inside the quote, but that feels ridonkulous.


as far as I know, it's ridonkulous in England but acceptable here
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Posted 30 April 2008 - 10:10 AM

Hey grammar nerds, I just said "if only it were" in another thread. Why is that correct (or not) as opposed to "if only it was"? Something to do with past tense. It's been a long time since grade school.

Also, is there a good place to put the question mark at the end of the second sentence above? I say no. Suppose it goes inside the quote, but that feels ridonkulous. Raj would just rewrite the sentence. I, however, am lazy.


"If only it were" uses the subjunctive. You're speaking about something that you hope or wish would be.

"If it was" is more concrete, where you're discussing something that has a chance of being a certain way.

Still waiting for Slackmo to delete this thread.


#170 ParticleHustler

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Posted 30 April 2008 - 10:13 AM

I put the ? outside the quotes, but . and , inside the quotes.

#171 Rajexico

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Posted 30 April 2008 - 10:15 AM

the ? should be inside but yeah, sometimes that just looks weird.

I disagree - "if only it was" is not meant to be questioning, so the question mark must stay outside the quotes to preserve the meaning of the quoted phrase.

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Posted 30 April 2008 - 10:17 AM

what do you write when a song is possessive? ("Enter Sandman's" pummeling brutality) changes the title of the song but I can't accept ("Enter Sandman"'s).

You're right not to accept it. Either say "Enter Sandman's" or write around it: The pummeling brutality of "Enter Sandman" ...

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#173 Binko

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Posted 30 April 2008 - 10:53 AM

"were" is right.

the ? should be inside but yeah, sometimes that just looks weird.


That convention only applies to commas and periods in American English. Question marks go on the outside, unless the quoted material itself is a question.

#174 tweed

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Posted 30 April 2008 - 10:55 AM

That convention only applies to commas and periods in American English. Question marks go on the outside, unless the quoted material itself is a question.


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#175 ParticleHustler

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Posted 30 April 2008 - 11:09 AM

"were" is right.

the ? should be inside but yeah, sometimes that just looks weird.


That convention only applies to commas and periods in American English. Question marks go on the outside, unless the quoted material itself is a question.


I knew it! Wasn't sure of the rule, but it makes sense that way.

#176 6ome 9irl

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Posted 30 April 2008 - 11:12 AM

The question mark goes inside the quotation marks in MLA style, no?

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Posted 30 April 2008 - 11:20 AM

The question mark goes inside the quotation marks in MLA style, no?


MLA follows the same rules I mentioned above. Question marks go outside quotes unless the quoted material is itself a question.

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Posted 30 April 2008 - 05:11 PM

My favorite two words in grammar/linguistics are: "clitic" and "genitive." In what other field can you say "By removing the clitic..." with impunity?
Wtf @ theminimuncircus retardly interjecting.

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Posted 30 April 2008 - 05:16 PM

This board is a wasteland of awful grammar, but this one in particular keeps returning to the top of the Music Discussion board and it's terribly annoying:

"Are REM getting their mojo back?"

No. Either the band known as REM is getting its mojo back


In which case, it ought to be "Is REM..." not "ARE"
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#180 Rajexico

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Posted 30 April 2008 - 05:23 PM

This board is a wasteland of awful grammar, but this one in particular keeps returning to the top of the Music Discussion board and it's terribly annoying:

"Are REM getting their mojo back?"

No. Either the band known as REM is getting its mojo back


In which case, it ought to be "Is REM..." not "ARE"

right, the plural is incorrect throughout

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