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#1 pong

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Posted 13 June 2008 - 11:40 PM

Seen for the first time tonight. Enthralling. If anyone has these answers (or guesses), please do share:

What are the options that the gas could have been that Frank Booth was inhaling?
What was with Detective Gordon, in the end scene with Don tied to the chair? The guy that Jeffrey Beaumont grabbed the gun from? The yellow jacket? He knocked over the lamp, but was like comotose, yet standing. It looked like his neck was bleeding. Was he tied there somehow? I was surprised when Frank blew him away.
Why was Dorothy Vallens naked at Jeffrey's house when he showed up with Sandy? She had obviously been brutalized: are we to assume that Frank knew where Jeffrey lived and dropped her off there after killing Detective Gordon and Don in Dorothy's apartment? If Gordon was dead, that is.
Or, should we assume she knew where he lived, somehow escaped, and found his house? She seemed drugged out or something at that point, though. Which makes her finding his place un-likely. And, wandering naked un-likely.
Are we to assume that the Vallens family was somehow entrenched with the Frank Booth gang before this all went down: or, does one assume this was random? The way Dorothy got off on being beaten seemed to lend credence to a theory that this might have gone down because they were involved with Frank Booth and not just a random target.
Is one to assume that Ben orchestrated the kidnapping for extortion? Or, that Frank orchestrated it to abuse Dorothy? Why would Ben be involved at all and why would they keep Don and Don Jr. at Ben's place?
In the end when we see Dorothy with Don Jr.: is that a flashback: or is it showing that the kid is OK?

I like the red curtains blowing. This was a simple tool for creating serious tension.
The fat people at Ben's place, well everything about Ben's place, was really, really creepy beyond belief. I noticed Ben's hand was bandaged.
The music in the movie was exceptionally well chosen, and yeah, Orbison is creepy as hell.

One of the best movies I have ever seen, IMO.

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Posted 13 June 2008 - 11:55 PM

The fat people at Ben's place, well everything about Ben's place, was really, really creepy beyond belief.

This is fairly OTM. I find the atmosphere that Lynch creates through the actors, set, and soundtrack choices in this scene to be one of the more oddly affective aspects of the film. Every time I've been to a "party" that has had a low turnout, zero energy, and an atmosphere that is beyond underwhelming, I can't help but think, "Holy shit, this is like Pussy Heaven." Kind of like in Joyce's "An Encounter" from Dubliners, where two kids are trying to live out their idealistic vision of an adventurous and fun-filled day by playing hooky, and end up on some shitty hill with a masturbating old man. It's just that feeling of complete disappointment that I see as unsettlingly comedic. You know, like how a kid expects to have so much fun in the ball-pit, and gets there to discover a passed out naked dude. So much for "fun."

I guess a lot of that has nothing to do with Blue Velvet. Still. Fantastic scene.
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Posted 14 June 2008 - 12:07 AM

Seen for the first time tonight. Enthralling. If anyone has these answers (or guesses), please do share:

What are the options that the gas could have been that Frank Booth was inhaling?
What was with Detective Gordon, in the end scene with Don tied to the chair? The guy that Jeffrey Beaumont grabbed the gun from? The yellow jacket? He knocked over the lamp, but was like comotose, yet standing. It looked like his neck was bleeding. Was he tied there somehow? I was surprised when Frank blew him away.
Why was Dorothy Vallens naked at Jeffrey's house when he showed up with Sandy? She had obviously been brutalized: are we to assume that Frank knew where Jeffrey lived and dropped her off there after killing Detective Gordon and Don in Dorothy's apartment? If Gordon was dead, that is.
Or, should we assume she knew where he lived, somehow escaped, and found his house? She seemed drugged out or something at that point, though. Which makes her finding his place un-likely. And, wandering naked un-likely.
Are we to assume that the Vallens family was somehow entrenched with the Frank Booth gang before this all went down: or, does one assume this was random? The way Dorothy got off on being beaten seemed to lend credence to a theory that this might have gone down because they were involved with Frank Booth and not just a random target.
Is one to assume that Ben orchestrated the kidnapping for extortion? Or, that Frank orchestrated it to abuse Dorothy? Why would Ben be involved at all and why would they keep Don and Don Jr. at Ben's place?
In the end when we see Dorothy with Don Jr.: is that a flashback: or is it showing that the kid is OK?

I like the red curtains blowing. This was a simple tool for creating serious tension.
The fat people at Ben's place, well everything about Ben's place, was really, really creepy beyond belief. I noticed Ben's hand was bandaged.
The music in the movie was exceptionally well chosen, and yeah, Orbison is creepy as hell.

One of the best movies I have ever seen, IMO.

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Nitrous oxide, I'm fairly well positive.

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Posted 14 June 2008 - 02:51 PM

Inspired by Pavement 1st Rad, I am going to watch this film again tonight. As far as the nitrous thing goes: I am not sure I can go for that. Nobody could take such huge pulls on nitrous and not fall down. Plus, if you hit nitrous that hard right before walking into a room with a gun to kill somebody: You'd probably shoot yourself in the face first. I read on-line that originally: the thought was helium. But, Dennis Hopper wouldn't do it because he thought it made his voice sound stupid. The apparent result was much scarier: with the ambiguous nature of the gas and the ensuing voice he could do after hitting = scary and classic. So, really, the gas for fans of this movies looks to be some sort of huge mystery: but, I am curious what theories fans of the film have in inner circles. While watching the film: I couldn't help but feel it was just oxygen. Besides laughing gas, helium, and oxygen, with the latter two having no effects on the brain: what other options are there? And, oh yeah, I had another question (and, yeah, I think that there will likely not be many people if any who would know these answers or have even thought about it): When Jeffrey is in the closet, in the first classic scene where we meet Frank, and Frank "humps" Dorothy: does he stuff blue velvet up her vagina? And, does he actually have intercourse with her? It looks like he just dry humps her.

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Posted 14 June 2008 - 02:54 PM

Anybody besides me think that Dorothy Vallens sounded a lot like Nico?

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Posted 14 June 2008 - 04:01 PM

Hopper always said the drug was amyl nitrite. It was originally supposed to be helium, but I guess they thought it would be too much to hear those lines coming with that voice.

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Posted 14 June 2008 - 10:23 PM

Hopper always said the drug was amyl nitrite.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poppers

That makes sense. When I was really young and on the club scene, I knew people who did Rush.

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Posted 14 June 2008 - 10:40 PM

My favorite line from Frank Booth, spoken to Jeffrey after taking a hit off the gas: "Now you're me". I love the cheezy Hardy Boys Sleuth Movie vernier that Lynch sets up, before he fully uncorks the weird. (the cop: "Yes, that's an ear"), the over saturated '50s EastmanColor look of it - before it gets dark. It all folds back into the same wholesomeness in the final scene, or at least tries to. (that slow motion firetruck - what a visual...) Lynch is one twisted fucker.

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Posted 14 June 2008 - 10:46 PM

^^^ nice post.

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Posted 15 June 2008 - 04:17 PM

I saw Blue Velvet over 10 years ago. I don't remember much of the details, just that is was really weird.

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Posted 15 June 2008 - 04:54 PM

David Lynch films don't do it for me. Not even a little bit.
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Posted 15 June 2008 - 06:56 PM

tl;dr. Need to finish my MULHOLLAND DR. thread.
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