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#1 undo

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Posted 18 July 2008 - 01:51 AM

shame on Pitchfork for the pitiful, embarrassing lineup they put together for Friday.

It's tough when you restrict yourself to artists performing classic albums in their entirety. Few bands that would be considered 'fork canon are old enough to have a "classic," and still be around to play it.



http://www.chicagotr...0,6182499.story


When bands re-create albums, audience might as well stay home

By M. David Nichols | Chicago Tribune reporter
July 17, 2008

When the Pitchfork Music Festival kicks off Friday, the bushy-bearded hipster masses will descend on Union Park to celebrate their kinship, or at least self-satisfied superiority, in their love of the new, the obscure, the experimental. So why is a kernel of Boomer-esque nostalgia rotting at the core of this Gen X-Y-Z happening?

I'm speaking of the trend toward artists delivering track-by-track performances of seminal albums. This year Public Enemy will perform "It Takes a Nation of Millions To Hold Us Back," Sebadoh will do "Bubble and Scrape," and Mission of Burma will play "Vs." This follows last year's full-album concerts of RZA's "Liquid Swords," Slint doing "Spiderland," and indie elder statesmen (and woman) Sonic Youth blasting through their 1988 breakthrough, "Daydream Nation."

What's going on here? It's not entirely a Pitchfork phenomenon. Other bands, from Pink Floyd to Brian Wilson to the late Arthur Lee of Love fame, have performed entire albums in concert. But Chicago is strangely a focus for both staging and artists. In addition to Pitchfork's plans, Liz Phair recently played her poison-pen kiss-off to early '90s Wicker Park, "Exile in Guyville," in full here and on both coasts.

Now the Billy Corgan project masquerading as the Smashing Pumpkins is making plans to rock the band's still mind-blowing debut, "Gish," from Jimmy Chamberlin's adrenaline-fueled drum intro on "I Am One" through to the psychedelic come-down bummer of "I'm Going Crazy."

As much as this format might benefit an artist with Corgan's penchant for self-indulgence, the whole idea reeks of artistic stagnation (if not outright desperation; would the Pumpkins of the '90s be playing Horseshoe Casino in Hammond next month?).

But who to blame? Concertgoers. This is essentially a marketing gimmick, and like most successful ones it simply identified and fulfilled what people already want.

It's sad because the main joy of witnessing live music is being surprised, hearing songs you might know by heart reinterpreted, shaded or recontextualized. Dylan, forever the standard-bearer of authenticity, made his legend in no small part by refusing to treat his music as something trapped in amber. He's probably never played a song the same way twice. This can be trying for an audience, sure, but the results are also often thrilling. Albums are static documents; a live concert is an event. Some albums, most that receive this live run-through treatment, are perfect. But every now and again, a live performance is more than perfect.

As concert ticket prices spiral ever higher, audiences—even the discerning Pitchfork crowd—increasingly want to know, exactly, what they're getting. We want to hear the songs we know, and God save the artist who dares challenge his audience. But this isn't your living room, folks. This is live rock 'n' roll.

My generation (X) and the ones on its heels won't need Branson, Mo.; it's coming to a festival near you.

#2 undo

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Posted 18 July 2008 - 02:01 AM

RZA's "Liquid Swords,"


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#3 undo

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Posted 18 July 2008 - 08:17 AM

provocative article

#4 Nick

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Posted 18 July 2008 - 08:34 AM

People are going b/c they heard the Flavor of Luv guy was going to be performing.

#5 Wolfgang

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Posted 18 July 2008 - 09:16 AM

Whatever, I've never had an issue w/ Don't Look Back even though if I were an artist I wouldn't be too thrilled to perform my classic as if my new material wasn't up to snuff. I went to the Liz Phair Vic show recently because I love all the songs on Guyville and wanted to see them performed live (I've never seen her before). I'm the enemy?

its like a group of nerds just get together to self indulge their self, just like sound opinions message board.


#6 yancy

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Posted 18 July 2008 - 09:21 AM

The fact that Saturday & Sunday are sold out and people can't give Friday tix away should tell you where "bushy-bearded hipsters" stand on new/experimental vs. album nostalgia.

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Posted 18 July 2008 - 09:23 AM

Maybe Pitchfork just needs a brush-up on what constitutes a classic. Sebadoh's Bubble and Scrape sure isn't it.

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Posted 18 July 2008 - 09:46 AM

if they market it as, "they will be performing they're classic album_______ in its entirety!" vs. Public Enemey, Live its a niche marketing decision.

none of the albums performed this or last year are worthy of this kinda thing. Loveless is a good example of an album that would be, but then again id wanna see them perform some Isnt Anything material as well, maybe even older stuff.

Its a toss. For the most part, no.

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Posted 18 July 2008 - 10:01 AM

I've been thinking a lot about recordings vs. performance very abstractly lately so this is an interesting thing to read,

but last year I just loved hearing Daydream Nation so much. Wouldn't have missed it for anything.


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Posted 18 July 2008 - 12:43 PM

When the Pitchfork Music Festival kicks off Friday, the bushy-bearded hipster masses will descend on Union Park to celebrate their kinship, or at least self-satisfied superiority, in their love of the new, the obscure, the experimental.


Typed with nothing but the strictest journalistic objectivity, I'm sure.

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Posted 18 July 2008 - 12:59 PM

The article's anti-facial-hair bias is unsettling.
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Posted 18 July 2008 - 01:09 PM

When the Pitchfork Music Festival kicks off Friday, the bushy-bearded hipster masses will descend on Union Park to celebrate their kinship, or at least self-satisfied superiority, in their love of the new, the obscure, the experimental.


Typed with nothing but the strictest journalistic objectivity, I'm sure.


In his defense, it is an editorial.

Also, I have mixed feelings about this practice. It does take away some of the spontaneity...but even if a band is playing an album front to back, it doens't mean that it has to be a note for note recreation. There is still some room for spontaneity (plus the fact that most of these bands don't just play the album...but also throw in some "bonus" tracks).

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Posted 18 July 2008 - 01:14 PM

When the Pitchfork Music Festival kicks off Friday, the bushy-bearded hipster masses will descend on Union Park to celebrate their kinship, or at least self-satisfied superiority, in their love of the new, the obscure, the experimental.


Typed with nothing but the strictest journalistic objectivity, I'm sure.


In his defense, it is an editorial.


Oh, sure, I just meant that it's not the bearded ones alone with the "self-satisfied superiority."

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#14 Simakos

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Posted 18 July 2008 - 01:35 PM

i wonder if this writer is comfortable enough with himself to wear shorts....
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#15 Duff.

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Posted 18 July 2008 - 01:43 PM

Oh, dude's total shorts-wearer. Wreaks of that "down to earth" brand of elitism.

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#16 cerebralcaustic

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Posted 18 July 2008 - 01:51 PM

One of the things I like about these types of shows is you get to hear some deeper album tracks that you would never hear live otherwise. I don't think Girls Against Boys ever played "Bughouse" live before they started playing Venus Luxure in its entirety.

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Posted 18 July 2008 - 04:50 PM

...even though if I were an artist I wouldn't be too thrilled to perform my classic as if my new material wasn't up to snuff.


If Liz Phair, Billy Corgan, Chuck D, and Lou Barlow aren't fully aware that their newer material isn't up to snuff, they're self-delusional to a degree that's shameful even by entertainers' standards...

#18 Sid Hartha

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Posted 18 July 2008 - 05:04 PM

Sickpup writes for the Tribune now? Damn.

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Posted 19 July 2008 - 12:48 AM

edit: had 2nd thoughts

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Posted 19 July 2008 - 04:04 PM

Whatever, I've never had an issue w/ Don't Look Back even though if I were an artist I wouldn't be too thrilled to perform my classic as if my new material wasn't up to snuff. I went to the Liz Phair Vic show recently because I love all the songs on Guyville and wanted to see them performed live (I've never seen her before). I'm the enemy?


No, you're just fine. The writer is the enemy, for allowing a lazy, self-indulgent piece of shit like this out of his desktop.

Article condenses as:

I don't like this. I think it's a bad idea. Why do I think it's a bad idea? Because Dylan doesn't do it. And because people I like to make fun of, which is the main point in this shitfest of self-love masqueraded as any kind of journalism, do like it.

You see, I am convinced that I'm better than the rest of you and, since I have a platform from which to vent my thoroughly nonsensical, more-or-less-entirely-unjustified and insuportable views, I'm going to do that. My editors are all aging Boomers who never got over the world having the nerve to replace its currency with more kids, so they won't even review the work - they'll be thrilled for the space filler and I'll get to fob off my opinions, prejudices and weirdly inverted snobbery onto you.

And I'll get to make a crack about Branson that I hope someone will think is a profound condemnation of empty values among kids today. As opposed to being profoundly revelatory of what a no-life, unthinking shitheel I actually am.

Kids suck. I rock. That is all.