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[Mantana]

Thought I'd start a thread on the music side before my break is over. I'll start: Wilco with Nels Cline. Sky Blue Sky? Boooooooring. Prove to me this guy made the band better when the first album he shows up on is a snoozer.

[Sid Hartha]

Sonic Youth with Jim O'Rourke. Much respect for his production work - total fifth wheel as a band member.

[velocity]

As alluded to in the other thread, Fleetwood Mac became an entirely different kind of band, Fleetwood Mac Lite, when Buckingham Nicks crawled aboard.

[Campaigner]

As alluded to in the other thread, Fleetwood Mac became an entirely different kind of band, Fleetwood Mac Lite, when Buckingham Nicks crawled aboard.

It's fine to think that - but you do realise that the incarnation of Fleetwood Mac prior to Buckingham/Nicks joining was the completely boring Bob Welch era don't you?

Gimme Lindsey and Stevie over that any day of the week.

[M_Rots]

Bob Welch = "Ebony Eyes" The hell you say!

[velocity]

As alluded to in the other thread, Fleetwood Mac became an entirely different kind of band, Fleetwood Mac Lite, when Buckingham Nicks crawled aboard.

It's fine to think that - but you do realise that the incarnation of Fleetwood Mac prior to Buckingham/Nicks joining was the completely boring Bob Welch era don't you?

Gimme Lindsey and Stevie over that any day of the week.

I was referring specifically to the Peter Green years &/or pre-Bob Welch, through Kiln House.

[Agrimorfee]

Yoko Ono to The Beatles. More seriously, of course...SAMMY to VAN HALEN. End thread, I guess.

[M_Rots]

More seriously, of course...SAMMY to VAN HALEN. End thread, I guess.

Wrong.

[Agrimorfee]

More seriously, of course...SAMMY to VAN HALEN. End thread, I guess.

Wrong.

Dude, don't get all Montanesque (again)! Please, state your case and if I am sufficiently impressed, I will change SAMMY to GARY.

[M_Rots]

Problem is, Aggie, all I can really do is be obnoxious in this case. If you want to look just at chart performance, Van Hagar sold more records than Van Halen with Roth. Had more and bigger chart hits. Thing is, I think your argument probably has more to do with which version of the band rocked harder, and I can't really say that they rocked as hard with Hagar.

Ted Templeman, their longtime producer, said that when they drafted Hagar into the band, they became a pop group, and I agree with that. I like their pop sound better than their harder Lee Roth sound. Plus, Sammy could actually write songs. On just about every record in the Lee Roth era, they have to pad things out with a cover, because David Lee Roth couldn't write an entire album's worth of good songs if his life depended on it, which was made manifest in his execrable solo career.

David Lee Roth solo wasn't boring b/c he didn't have Eddie - it was boring b/c every freakin' song on Eat 'Em and Smile and Skyscraper sounded the same as the song that came before, and all of them sound like half-baked retreads of better stuff he'd already done with Van Halen.

If "crippled" is defined only in sonic terms, then you may be right, but the Hagar era was an overwhelmng success, commercially, and, for me, anyway, songwise. I'd rather hear "Love Comes Walking In", "Finish What You Started" or "Dreams" than "The Cradle Will Rock" any day.

[nobodies]

I wouldn't say they've been crippled, but I hate the addition of Shonna Tucker to the Drive-By Truckers. Actually, let me be more clear, I don't hate her bass playing or anything, but I hate the addition of Shonna Tucker tracks and vocals to "Brighter Than Creations Dark." BTCD is pretty close to a great album, but then you hit those Shonna Tracks and everything comes to a screeching halt. She's not a very good singer; and no her voice doesn't have character. It just sucks. Plus her lyrics come off as trite and annoying ("Home Field Advantage" anyone?). She can stay in the band, but just take away her mic and pen.

[Agrimorfee]

. If you want to look just at chart performance, Van Hagar sold more records than Van Halen with Roth. Had more and bigger chart hits. Thing is, I think your argument probably has more to do with which version of the band rocked harder, and I can't really say that they rocked as hard with Hagar....I like their pop sound better than their harder Lee Roth sound. Plus, Sammy could actually write songs. On just about every record in the Lee Roth era, they have to pad things out with a cover,...David Lee Roth solo wasn't boring b/c he didn't have Eddie - it was boring b/c every freakin' song on Eat 'Em and Smile and Skyscraper sounded the same as the song that came before, and all of them sound like half-baked retreads of better stuff he'd already done with Van Halen. ... I'd rather hear "Love Comes Walking In", "Finish What You Started" or "Dreams" than "The Cradle Will Rock" any day.

Wow. We will agree to disagree. (they didn't have covers on 1984, Fair Warning or Women & Children, it must be said). I will give you the disappointments of DLR in later years, to be sure. But I would forward that Van Daven was a much more creative and musically adventurous band than Van Hagar, and produced and recorded their songs in a different time of music...and a different mindset that didn't care about chart hits as much as album sales. What hits did the boys have after OU812, by the way? I can't name any. And after all that is said and done, Hagar did much more to ruin the band by pissing them off, leaving, and forcing them to hire another (tepid and dull) singer.

Keep on rockin', Boo.

[norton]

Joe Walsh joining the Eagles.

[Em0r]

The Grip Dash The Infections They all broke up after I auditioned for them.

[M_Rots]

. If you want to look just at chart performance, Van Hagar sold more records than Van Halen with Roth. Had more and bigger chart hits. Thing is, I think your argument probably has more to do with which version of the band rocked harder, and I can't really say that they rocked as hard with Hagar....I like their pop sound better than their harder Lee Roth sound. Plus, Sammy could actually write songs. On just about every record in the Lee Roth era, they have to pad things out with a cover,...David Lee Roth solo wasn't boring b/c he didn't have Eddie - it was boring b/c every freakin' song on Eat 'Em and Smile and Skyscraper sounded the same as the song that came before, and all of them sound like half-baked retreads of better stuff he'd already done with Van Halen. ... I'd rather hear "Love Comes Walking In", "Finish What You Started" or "Dreams" than "The Cradle Will Rock" any day.

Wow. We will agree to disagree. (they didn't have covers on 1984, Fair Warning or Women & Children, it must be said). I will give you the disappointments of DLR in later years, to be sure. But I would forward that Van Daven was a much more creative and musically adventurous band than Van Hagar, and produced and recorded their songs in a different time of music...and a different mindset that didn't care about chart hits as much as album sales. What hits did the boys have after OU812, by the way? I can't name any. And after all that is said and done, Hagar did much more to ruin the band by pissing them off, leaving, and forcing them to hire another (tepid and dull) singer.

Keep on rockin', Boo.

You're right about the covers - though I still say the albums that do have them have them b/c Lee Roth isn't a strong writer.

For Unlawful Carnal Knowledge spawned three hits: "Poundcake", "Top of the World," and, you might recall, "Right Now" - that Pepsi commercial. And it isn't as if Hagar went storming off to be a dick - he disagreed with Eddie about soundtrack work and the band's overall direction. Given what a tyrant and hopeless drunk Eddie had become by then, it's hardly surprising. if you want to lay blame at anyone'sfeet for the demise of Van Halen, it belongs with Eddie, not the various singers.

[Soundscape]

Journey.