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[ParticleHustler]

Or, how religious zealots are destroying the Republican Party, take 2,372:

KRISPY KREME CELEBRATES OBAMA WITH PRO-ABORTION DOUGHNUTS Washington, DC (15 January 2009) -

The following is a statement from American Life League president Judie Brown:

"The next time you stare down a conveyor belt of slow-moving, hot, sugary glazed donuts at your local Krispy Kreme, you just might be supporting President-elect Barack Obama's radical support for abortion on demand - including his sweeping promise to sign the Freedom of Choice Act as soon as he steps in the Oval Office, Jan. 20.

"The doughnut giant released the following statement yesterday:

'Krispy Kreme Doughnuts, Inc. (NYSE: KKD) is honoring American's sense of pride and freedom of choice on Inauguration Day, by offering a free doughnut of choice to every customer on this historic day, Jan. 20. By doing so, participating Krispy Kreme stores nationwide are making an oath to tasty goodies -- just another reminder of how oh-so-sweet "free" can be.'

"Just an unfortunate choice of words? For the sake of our Wednesday morning doughnut runs, we hope so. The unfortunate reality of a post Roe v. Wade America is that 'choice' is synonymous with abortion access, and celebration of 'freedom of choice' is a tacit endorsement of abortion rights on demand.

"President-elect Barack Obama promises to be the most virulently pro-abortion president in history. Millions more children will be endangered by his radical abortion agenda.

"Celebrating his inauguration with 'Freedom of Choice' doughnuts - only two days before the anniversary of the Supreme Court decision to decriminalize abortion - is not only extremely tacky, it's disrespectful and insensitive and makes a mockery of a national tragedy.

"A misconstrued concept of 'choice' has killed over 50 million preborn children since Jan. 22, 1973. Does Krispy Kreme really want their free doughnuts to celebrate this 'freedom.'

"As of Thursday morning, communications director Brian Little could not be reached for comment. We challenge Krispy Kreme doughnuts to reaffirm their commitment to true freedom - to the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness - and to separate themselves and their doughnuts from our great American shame.

"American Life League was cofounded in 1979 by Julie Brown. It is the largest grassroots Catholic pro-life organization in the United States and is committed to the protection of all innocent human beings from the moment of creation to natural death."

[BRANDON BOYD FROM INCUBUS]

no wonder this place is going out of business. god isnt on their side

[BRANDON BOYD FROM INCUBUS]

also cause their donuts taste like shit & only fat people eat there. makes the krispy kreme experience all the more shameful

[dice]

every pastry they produce is an abortion, so i'm down with a boycott

[Fender]

ParticleHustler, I don't think it's only religious zealots who support the pro-life cause. Dr. Alveda King, who is the niece of Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. is a enthusiastic supporter of life, and by entering her name in google I came up with the following information which might make you think again in evaluating the pro-choice cause: Planned Parenthood is the largest abortion provider in America. 78% of their clinics are in minority communities. Blacks make up 12% of the population, but they have 35% of the abortions. According to the Alan Guttmacher Institute, black women are 3 times more likely than white women to have an abortion. PH -- have you ever heard Margaret Sanger's ( the founder of Planned Parenthood) views on African Americans? On 9/26/08 Dr. Alveda King spoke before the Congressional Black Caucus Foundation, and she stated: "Abortion, like slavery, is based on the lie that certain human beings aren't entitled to basic human rights because they aren't fully human". I personally don't think that you have to follow a particular religion to want to support the rights of those who aren't able to say a word in their own defense -- for the most part, it wasn't seen as an important issue in the recent Presidentia election, but this issue won't go away -- especially in this age where ultrasound make it possible to look at what is growing inside the mother. STATEMENT OF DR. ALVEDA KING BEFORE THE CONGRESSIONAL BLACK CAUCUS FOUNDATION September 26, 2008 The concept of reparations for slavery is important and timely. It’s important, obviously, because of the grave evil that slavery was and the impact it has had on America. It’s timely because, as my uncle, Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. once said, “The time is always right to do what is right.” “Reparation” means to repair; to make amends. The ultimate purpose and goal of reparation should be reconciliation. My concern is that any proposal for reparation be aimed toward reconciliation. It is important that we have a historical context to the issue of slavery and understand that the battle against oppression and segregation was not white versus black, but right versus wrong. There are no separate races divided by skin color. It was not whites who did this to blacks, it was Southern racists who even took us into a war where 300,000 whites gave their lives to end slavery. A political party based on abolition was formed by whites to free the slaves. If we discuss reparations without discussing the history there will never be a healing because the root cause of slavery will not have been identified and redeemed. Slavery is evil itself. Evil begets evil. In America, slavery and racism were followed by Jim Crow laws, segregation, lynchings and more racism. Subsequent solutions such as the crippling welfare system were bandages on wounds that still need to be healed. All of this oppression resulted from the foundational evil belief that certain human beings were not fully human. And this oppression did not just greatly harm the African American, it poisoned society as a whole. Oppression is a double-edged sword. It enslaves the victim, but it also binds the oppressor. In order to maintain the system from which he benefits materially, the oppressor has to believe a lie. And to maintain his belief that he is somehow inherently superior, he has to fabricate more and more lies every time the truth of what he’s doing sears his conscience. The oppressed die physically, the oppressors die spiritually. Today, America has problems; deep, deep problems. I wish the answer were as simple as giving people checks. A few months ago, many of us got rebate checks in the mail and I think we can all see how much good that did for the economy. My uncle Martin once spoke of a check marked insufficient funds. America is once again facing spiritual and moral bankruptcy, even in the face of the looming economic crisis. But here, we’re talking about more than dollars and cents. We’re talking about healing. My idea of reparations is that we have to start repairing our nation by returning to the fundamental truths stated in our Declaration of Independence – that all people are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, and that these include Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness. These truths are still self evident. To honor them, we might want to consider returning prayer to our public squares and keeping “in God we trust” as our motto. Slavery and racism violated these truths. Today, another form of evil continues to violate them and oppress blacks in particular -- abortion. Abortion, like slavery, is based on the lie that certain human beings aren’t entitled to basic human rights because they aren’t fully human. Just as slavery led to a succession of more evils, abortion has led to the decimation of the African American community. Fully one-fourth of the black population of the United States has gone missing because abortion took their lives before they could enjoy liberty or pursue happiness. Today, our goal here is reparation for the purpose of reconciliation. To make amends for past evil is vital; to stop current evil is imperative. Let us begin by recognizing that we – whatever our color, religion, or stage of life – are one people, one human race, and one nation. It’s when we have lost sight of this truth that suffering ensues. Yes, let us repair the wrongs of yesterday, but let us also end the wrongs of today.

[Fiat Records]

Planned Parenthood is the largest abortion provider in America. 78% of their clinics are in minority communities. Blacks make up 12% of the population, but they have 35% of the abortions. According to the Alan Guttmacher Institute, black women are 3 times more likely than white women to have an abortion. PH -- have you ever heard Margaret Sanger's ( the founder of Planned Parenthood) views on African Americans?

You'd think that since black people are despised so much by Republicants, they would encourage them to have more abortions, not less. Not the sharpest tools in the shed, obviously.

[Fender]

Planned Parenthood is the largest abortion provider in America. 78% of their clinics are in minority communities. Blacks make up 12% of the population, but they have 35% of the abortions. According to the Alan Guttmacher Institute, black women are 3 times more likely than white women to have an abortion. PH -- have you ever heard Margaret Sanger's ( the founder of Planned Parenthood) views on African Americans?

You'd think that since black people are despised so much by Republicants, they would encourage them to have more abortions, not less. Not the sharpest tools in the shed, obviously.

You're right; the Republican party tends to be much more pro-life than the Democrats -- I've seen Dr. Alvida King on TV with another member of the King family who supported the pro-life cause talking about this issue -- what did you think of her statements before the Congressional Black Caucus Foundation?

[MattDrufke]

I work with a couple of hardcore right-wingers. And I have always gone back and used this quote: "Abortions should be safe, legal, and rare." And everyone always agrees with me, until I mention that the quote was made by Bill Clinton, who had the total number of abortions decrease every year in his terms. Or, to quote one guy I work with, "Clinton said that? I figured he forced about 300 women a year to have abortions from raping them. And another reason he's terrible..... blah blah blah {WHITE NOISE}"

[Fender]

I work with a couple of hardcore right-wingers. And I have always gone back and used this quote: "Abortions should be safe, legal, and rare."

And everyone always agrees with me, until I mention that the quote was made by Bill Clinton, who had the total number of abortions decrease every year in his terms.

Or, to quote one guy I work with, "Clinton said that? I figured he forced about 300 women a year to have abortions from raping them. And another reason he's terrible..... blah blah blah {WHITE NOISE}"

Safe, legal and rare --- when politicians say that about abortion I don't give them too much credit, I've never heard a politician, no matter how pro-choice they are say: "Abortions should be unsafe, legal, and plentiful" -- it's more revealing to look at their voting record on key abortion legislation, and twice Mr. Clinton used his power to veto legislation that would have made partial birth abortions illegal.

Not all pro-lifers have viewpoint's like your hardcore right-winger's 300 rape statement -- once again, not all of us are on the radical fringe.

[By-Tor]

It doesnt' matter whether you are pro-life or pro-choice. The law was passed. The Supreme Court has spoken, and the law is not going to be cahnged any time soon, or for that matter, ever. I believe Planned Parenthood does more than just perform abortions. Contraceptives, anyone? In Aurora, there is a big sign downtown asking people to pray to God to end abortion, and there are "Planned Parenthood - Bad for Aurora" signs all over the place. Whatever. After 8 years of shit on America's lawn, the country finally planted a tree. It just so happens that the tree is a mighty oak.

[Ogawa]

Whatever. After 8 years of shit on America's lawn, the country finally planted a tree. It just so happens that the tree is a mighty oak.

That's poetry.

[WesterMats]

Whatever. After 8 years of shit on America's lawn, the country finally planted a tree. It just so happens that the tree is a mighty oak.

That's poetry.

Yeah -- well said, By-Tor!

George Carlin: Why is it that most of the people who are against abortion are people you wouldn't want to fuck in the first place?

[By-Tor]

Thank you.

[ParticleHustler]

ParticleHustler, I don't think it's only religious zealots who support the pro-life cause.

This has nothing to do with supporting the pro-life cause. This has everything to do with tying it to something as benign and preposterous as a free doughnut giveaway. It's not the message, it's how it is delivered. This is akin to someone painting a wall white and some NAACP-type organization calling it a racist action. Fucking stupid, and not only undermines the credibility of the messenger, but also renders the message less effective (or totally ineffective).

[Fender]

ParticleHustler, I don't think it's only religious zealots who support the pro-life cause.

This has nothing to do with supporting the pro-life cause. This has everything to do with tying it to something as benign and preposterous as a free doughnut giveaway. It's not the message, it's how it is delivered. This is akin to someone painting a wall white and some NAACP-type organization calling it a racist action. Fucking stupid, and not only undermines the credibility of the messenger, but also renders the message less effective (or totally ineffective).

ParticleHustler: You're right, the link of the word "choice" from selling or choosing donuts to the promoting of abortion is a weak link, and it shouldn't have been made, but it did bring into view the topic of abortion.

By-Tor I have to disagree with you, because I do think it matters if you are pro-life or pro-choice -- Yes, the law has been passed, but sometimes laws are changed when they are understood as being unjust laws.-- for example, at one time there was a law that allowed slavery.

PH and any SOMBIES: do you agree with Dr. Alvida Kings link of abortion to slavery (the justification of slavery and abortion is that both were considered less than human), and she stated "fully one forth of the black population of the United States has gone missing because abortion took their lives before they could enjoy liberty or pursue happiness". Does anyone care to comment on her speech to the Congressional Black Caucus?

I hope (and pray) that President Obama becomes one of America's greatest Presidents -- and I hope he will choose to protect the unborn, and help women with unplanned pregnancies -- Dr. Alveda King's statement before the Congressional Black Caucus was very profound -- I think her uncle Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. would be proud of her.

[Bob Loblaw]

Fender, thank you for only making 262 posts.

[raumschwein]

Fuck. I forgot to get my free donut yesterday. Edit: Oh, and as for the story: HILARIOUS.

[demoncleaner]

and I hope he will choose to protect the unborn, and help women with unplanned pregnancies

If the second thing starts happening you won't need to worry about the first one.

[Fender]

I'm reading in my Sun Times that President Obama has lifted the ban on federal funding for international groups that perform abortions (the Mexico City Policy) --- including China which has a "one child policy" -- they don't have the choice to have more than one child, and abortions are forced on the population ---- I'd like to choose to not spend part of my taxes on providing abortion services. In a speech to Planned Parenthood (during the campaign to become president) President Obama stated that he was in favor of the Freedom of Choice Act -- part of FOCA eliminates the "conscience clause" which had allowed health care workers who opposed abortions to not participate in the abortion process. It seems that "choice" is only available to those who support abortion.

[velocity]

Dude, FOCA does not eliminate the conscience clause. That's just what FOX et. al. are frothing at the mouth about this week.