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#1 pong

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Posted 25 August 2006 - 02:04 PM

I love this guys early stuff. Man, how much did Springsteen change from The Wild, the Innocent & the E Street Shuffle to this point in his career? He played all the lead guitars back in those days also, only to become a rhythm style player.

I think Born in the USA is his most solid album, though. Absoutely listenable on every track. His opus, if you will.

It's got it all. It's a rebel album.

I love it.

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Posted 25 August 2006 - 02:06 PM

I love this guys early stuff. Man, how much did Springsteen change from The Wild, the Innocent & the E Street Shuffle to this point in his career? He played all the lead guitars back in those days also, only to become a rhythm style player.

I think Born in the USA is his most solid album, though. Absoutely listenable on every track. His opus, if you will.

It's got it all. It's a rebel album.

I love it.

Springsteen's last truly ferocious lead playing was on the Darkness tour, true, but to say he "played all the lead guitars back in those days" is false.




















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#3 DrJimmy

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Posted 25 August 2006 - 02:12 PM

every song has a pop-friendly tidiness. that's both the album's strength and its weakness.

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Posted 25 August 2006 - 02:17 PM

I love this guys early stuff. Man, how much did Springsteen change from The Wild, the Innocent & the E Street Shuffle to this point in his career? He played all the lead guitars back in those days also, only to become a rhythm style player.

I think Born in the USA is his most solid album, though. Absoutely listenable on every track. His opus, if you will.

It's got it all. It's a rebel album.

I love it.


Uh-oh, a Bruce fanboy thread. Look out.

Born in the USA is not his most solid album. Don't get me wrong. It's great and I'm not one of those people who harp on the dated '80s qualities of it and begrudge it because even Bruce admits that he was uncomfortable going that far into a mainstream pop territory. That record has its own sound, apart from Bruce's other records and some of those songs are just really damn good. But I would place it - at best - to be Bruce's fourth best/fourth most solid record.
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Posted 25 August 2006 - 02:19 PM

That record has its own sound, apart from Bruce's other records and some of those songs are just really damn good. But I would place it - at best - to be Bruce's fourth best/fourth most solid record.

It's third-tier Springsteen.




















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Posted 25 August 2006 - 02:19 PM

Knocked from the #1 spot on the UK album charts by this.

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Posted 25 August 2006 - 02:20 PM

"Drink everytime Bruce sings Born in the USA" is one of my favorite drinking games

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Posted 25 August 2006 - 02:21 PM

his 2nd best probably my favorite of the really gigantic 80s blockbusters
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Posted 25 August 2006 - 02:23 PM


That record has its own sound, apart from Bruce's other records and some of those songs are just really damn good. But I would place it - at best - to be Bruce's fourth best/fourth most solid record.

It's third-tier Springsteen.

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I agree with the third-tier comment.

The first four Springsteen albums are brilliant. The River has some good stuff, but a fair dose of dreck as well. Nebraska is fantastic in its own way. But Born in the USA ruined Springsteen for me.

#10 pong

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Posted 25 August 2006 - 02:26 PM


I love this guys early stuff. Man, how much did Springsteen change from The Wild, the Innocent & the E Street Shuffle to this point in his career? He played all the lead guitars back in those days also, only to become a rhythm style player.

I think Born in the USA is his most solid album, though. Absoutely listenable on every track. His opus, if you will.

It's got it all. It's a rebel album.

I love it.

Springsteen's last truly ferocious lead playing was on the Darkness tour, true, but to say he "played all the lead guitars back in those days" is false.




















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I thought he played all the leads on The Wild, the innocent... album? I have such an affinity for The Wild, the innocent... I got it in a bargain bin as a youngster and played it about a thousand times.

Then, I heard Nebraska, then I heard Born in the USA, and what a change.

I'm listening to Nebraska right now.

Born to Run is a bit, I am not, maybe hoaky? Born in the USA seems to be coming from the heart. Whereas Born to Run, seems to be coming from the brain if that makes sense.

I love Darkness also, though. I mean, that one stands alone, it's so different.

#11 DrJimmy

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Posted 25 August 2006 - 02:27 PM

Born in the USA seems to be coming from the heart. Whereas Born to Run, seems to be coming from the brain if that makes sense.


weird. i would switch that around.

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Posted 25 August 2006 - 02:29 PM

every song has a pop-friendly tidiness.

that's both the album's strength and its weakness.


Got a TON of soul, though, no? I mean, you can fucking feel it. It's like your hanging out with the dude on this album to me. I feel like I am Wayne, I have a lot of money, and I'm combing the New Jersey countryside for hot young good-hearted babes who like to smoke luckies and drink malt liquor, right around sunset on a classic American car, all beat up of course. Followed by the wildest night in history of course.

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Posted 25 August 2006 - 02:30 PM

I thought he played all the leads on The Wild, the innocent... album? I have such an affinity for The Wild, the innocent... I got it in a bargain bin as a youngster and played it about a thousand times.

I thought you were saying he played all lead guitar up to BUSA.

I also enjoy The Wild, the Innocent.

Obviously.




















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Posted 25 August 2006 - 02:38 PM


I love this guys early stuff. Man, how much did Springsteen change from The Wild, the Innocent & the E Street Shuffle to this point in his career? He played all the lead guitars back in those days also, only to become a rhythm style player.

I think Born in the USA is his most solid album, though. Absoutely listenable on every track. His opus, if you will.

It's got it all. It's a rebel album.

I love it.


Uh-oh, a Bruce fanboy thread. Look out.

Born in the USA is not his most solid album. Don't get me wrong. It's great and I'm not one of those people who harp on the dated '80s qualities of it and begrudge it because even Bruce admits that he was uncomfortable going that far into a mainstream pop territory. That record has its own sound, apart from Bruce's other records and some of those songs are just really damn good. But I would place it - at best - to be Bruce's fourth best/fourth most solid record.


Bruce Classic Albums in order of greatness:

1. Born in the USA
2. Born to Run
3. Greetings from Asbury Park, NJ
4. Darkness on the Edge of Town
5. Nebraska
6. The Wild, The Innocent and the E Street Shuffle
7. The River

Signed, Bruceboy


Knocked from the #1 spot on the UK album charts by this.

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[/leaves thread.]


I try to like the Smiths, but then the fact their singer sucks hugely, always gets in the way. What a band, though. Singer? Got, that guy sucks. He's retarded. Good voice, and I love some of their tunes, but horrible lyrics most of the time.


I thought he played all the leads on The Wild, the innocent... album? I have such an affinity for The Wild, the innocent... I got it in a bargain bin as a youngster and played it about a thousand times.

I thought you were saying he played all lead guitar up to BUSA.

I also enjoy The Wild, the Innocent.

Obviously.




















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How come he stopped playing those wicked leads? Does he continue to play leads in concert to this day?

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Posted 25 August 2006 - 02:39 PM



I love this guys early stuff. Man, how much did Springsteen change from The Wild, the Innocent & the E Street Shuffle to this point in his career? He played all the lead guitars back in those days also, only to become a rhythm style player.

I think Born in the USA is his most solid album, though. Absoutely listenable on every track. His opus, if you will.

It's got it all. It's a rebel album.

I love it.


Uh-oh, a Bruce fanboy thread. Look out.

Born in the USA is not his most solid album. Don't get me wrong. It's great and I'm not one of those people who harp on the dated '80s qualities of it and begrudge it because even Bruce admits that he was uncomfortable going that far into a mainstream pop territory. That record has its own sound, apart from Bruce's other records and some of those songs are just really damn good. But I would place it - at best - to be Bruce's fourth best/fourth most solid record.


Bruce Classic Albums in order of greatness:

1. Born in the USA
2. Born to Run
3. Greetings from Asbury Park, NJ
4. Darkness on the Edge of Town
5. Nebraska
6. The Wild, The Innocent and the E Street Shuffle
7. The River

Signed, Bruceboy


Knocked from the #1 spot on the UK album charts by this.

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Awesome

[/leaves thread.]


I try to like the Smiths, but then the fact their singer sucks hugely, always gets in the way. What a band, though. Singer? Got, that guy sucks. He's retarded. Good voice, and I love some of their tunes, but horrible lyrics most of the time.

weird order for bruce albums, but all are so good that I can understand any order you might choose. Tunnel of Love is also great.

#16 DrJimmy

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Posted 25 August 2006 - 02:39 PM

Good voice, and I love some of their tunes, but horrible lyrics most of the time.


I hate the Smiths, but even I respect the lyrics for their dark humor.

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Posted 25 August 2006 - 02:40 PM


Good voice, and I love some of their tunes, but horrible lyrics most of the time.


I hate the Smiths, but even I respect the lyrics for their dark humor.


Anybody who uses the word etcetra in a song so often, can stick their dark humor. I think their lyrics are completely retarded, obvious and pedestrian.

#18 DrJimmy

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Posted 25 August 2006 - 02:44 PM



Good voice, and I love some of their tunes, but horrible lyrics most of the time.


I hate the Smiths, but even I respect the lyrics for their dark humor.


Anybody who uses the word etcetra in a song so often, can stick their dark humor. I think their lyrics are completely retarded, obvious and pedestrian.


i can't tell if you are "getting" the irony and humor in his lyrics or not.

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Posted 25 August 2006 - 02:45 PM

But dont forget the songs that made you smile.
Nice bowl of Crunchy Nut you got here, pretty expensive as I recall.

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Posted 25 August 2006 - 02:48 PM




Good voice, and I love some of their tunes, but horrible lyrics most of the time.


I hate the Smiths, but even I respect the lyrics for their dark humor.


Anybody who uses the word etcetra in a song so often, can stick their dark humor. I think their lyrics are completely retarded, obvious and pedestrian.


i can't tell if you are "getting" the irony and humor in his lyrics or not.



A lot of people miss the irony or the humor in Morrissey's lyrics. Some of it is also very English and specific. But to say his lyrics are "pedestrian" is pretty outrageous and insulting. You can call them pretentious or not like the lyrics or whatever, but his lyrics are hardly pedestrian. That kind of word applies to someone like James Blunt or Michelle Branch.
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