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#461 solace

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Posted 18 November 2008 - 01:56 PM

it'll end up with around a 63 or so on Metacritic i'd imagine. there will be a few major magazines that give it great (paid for) reviews (ie: Rolling Stone's 4 stars)


You really think reviews are being bought off? I hate to break it to you, but the money well is fucking dry on this record.

I find it hard to believe Fricke would do such a thing. He just has goofy taste. Most major magazines have already run pieces on the record's creation that paint Axl as a madman. (He is.) Hell, Spin ran a FAKE review of the record a few years back. A really funny rip would have sold just as many magazines, if not more.


maybe not in outright payments, but certainly in ad dollars. not saying that's the case here, but it's been the case in the past w/ RS.

but yeah, i'd like to think Fricke just actually for some weird reason likes it. met him at an Arcade Fire show in NYC just before his Sky Blue Sky review was published, weird but nice dude.

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Posted 18 November 2008 - 01:59 PM

They apply a sliding formula for 5 star reviews, 4 star and letter grades. If you want to debate about where they are coming unstuck look at how they score games. As for music, I don't ever think I've seen a review where an assigned score(s) would have moved the overall score by half a point, let alone one. If you do find one with enough reviews to alter it I'd be happy to admit that that's not correct and will email them myself. Why so hung up about what Pitchfork says about it?
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Posted 18 November 2008 - 03:09 PM

lol @ you stupids still combatting montana after all these years throw in the towel guys
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Posted 18 November 2008 - 04:03 PM

DeRo: 2/4 With the very rarest of exceptions, rock 'n' roll is a dish best served steaming hot, with as little delay as possible between the inspiration of the creative oven and the final garnishing of the finished album. Even some of its most celebrated epics--"Led Zeppelin IV," "The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway" by Genesis or "The Dark Side of the Moon" by Pink Floyd--had relatively quick, no-muss, no-fuss origins. So even if many of their diehard fans argue that the long-, long-, long-awaited sixth studio album by the corporate enterprise that 46-year-old Indiana native W. Axl Rose still calls Guns N' Roses should be judged only on the merits of its grooves, the back story must be mentioned. The rock world, or at least a significant and still proudly mullet-wearing portion of it, has been waiting 17 years for this album, which already had racked up production costs of $13 million by March 2005, prompting the New York Times to call it "the most expensive album never made." Now, with 14 studios and dozens of hired hands listed in the credits--none of whom, save Rose, were members of the group that released the phenomenal, 28-million-selling "Appetite for Destruction" in 1987--"Chinese Democracy" is finally here... or rather, it's waiting at the nearest Best Buy, which, in another of the currently in vogue slaps in the face to the struggling survivors among the mom-and-pop record stores, is the only retailer that has been authorized to sell it. First, the good news: This is not the music world's "Heaven's Gate" or "Ishtar," two of the most notorious and costly Hollywood flops ever made. Now, the perhaps inevitable bad: It is rock's "The Godfather: Part III," a late-career installment in a beloved franchise that we never thought we'd see, which evokes just enough of what we enjoyed in the distant past to prompt an occasional smile, but nowhere near enough to stand as an equal artistic accomplishment, or even a particularly satisfying experience. The biggest problem is the same one that marred the band's last batch of original material, the two "Use Your Illusion" discs released in 1991. Determined to be hailed as more than just a "mere" hard-rocker, Rose began to worry enitrely too much about his reputation as an artiste, incorporating diverse experimentation in other genres for which he had little feeling or talent, and cluttering things up with a thoroughly annoying and distracting brand of orchestral bombast. At their best--and "Sweet Child o' Mine" always will be the classic example--the Gunners evoked a poignant and dramatic grandeur with the simplest of ingredients, chief among them what Rolling Stone called Rose's "rusted-siren" wail, but just as importantly the dual guitars of tempering forces and co-songwriters Slash and Izzy Stradlin. The grand pianos, soaring string sections and progressive-rock aspirations just weren't necessary. About half of the 14 songs here wear out their welcome shortly after you're done marveling at all of the filigree. Under the Mellotrons, vocal choirs, French horns, Indian sitars, Spanish guitars and Martin Luther King, Jr., "Cool Hand Luke" and "Braveheart" samples, there just isn't enough song in songs such as "If the World," "There Was a Time" and "Madagascar" to make a significant impact. Even worse are hair-metal ballads such as "This I Love" and "Street of Dreams," which find Rose reaching for Elton John and Queen, but missing even Bon Jovi to arrive at plain irritating and almost unlistenable. If these tracks represented the entire disc, "Chinese Democracy" would be even worse than the musical equivalent of Warren Beatty and Dustin Hoffman as lounge singers crossing the desert on camelback. But the album is redeemed in part by its most straightforward, hardest-rocking and simplest moments--the opening assault of the title track, "Shackler's Revenge" and "Better," along with "Scraped," "Riad N' the Bedouins" and "I.R.S." later on--though even these require us to accept that "simple" can describe a song with five or six studio guitarists shredding simultaneously. Needless to say, it all makes for an extremely inconsistent ride best programmed selectively on your iPod--pretty ironic, considering Rose's disdain for downloading--though his lyrical themes are, as always, familiar from track to track, focusing on his unwavering belief in his ability to survive/succeed and his devotion to self-reliance. He'll never admit that he needs his old mates, though he does pine after that woman who done him wrong, and while the album-closing "Prostitute" is supposed to be one of these lost-love songs, it's hard not to hear it as a statement about the 17-year wait for this music. "It seems like forever and a day/If my intentions were misunderstood/Please be kind/I've done all I should," Rose sings. Actually, Axl, you've done way too much, and for that reason, two out of four stars is as kind as I honestly can be.

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Posted 18 November 2008 - 04:13 PM

^^ one of Dero's best reviews i've read honestly

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Posted 18 November 2008 - 04:22 PM

^ He did have 17 years to write it

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Posted 18 November 2008 - 04:23 PM

DeRo: 2/4



I like DeRo, but didn't he recently call Wilco "up there with Neil Young"?
Every Sunday morning I wake up
I see you by your dresser doing your make-up
Fluttering a Chinese fan in a Knoxville fashion
All last night you tossed and turned
Your body was hotter than the night Richmond burned
You say you had a bad nightmare about tractor trailers crashing
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#468 Saskadelphia

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Posted 18 November 2008 - 04:23 PM

Dero's right, the interplay between Slash and Stradlin was what made this band so great once upon a time. Where is everyone finding this thing, anyway? Links are being deleted the second they go up it seems.
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Posted 18 November 2008 - 04:36 PM

Dero's right, the interplay between Slash and Stradlin was what made this band so great once upon a time.


Has anyone else checked out the Watch You Bleed bio yet? Must-read for anyone posting in this thread. Axl is a combination of Dennis Rodman and (fat) Marlon Brando.

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Posted 18 November 2008 - 04:41 PM

Has anyone else checked out the Watch You Bleed bio yet? Must-read for anyone posting in this thread. Axl is a combination of Dennis Rodman and (fat) Marlon Brando.

Axl is a rebounding machine, that lives on his own island and fucks native girls by the bus load? That is a good lfe.
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Posted 18 November 2008 - 04:42 PM

So how exactly do we get a coupon for a free Dr. Pepper? I went over to the DP website and not a single word about this promotion (what a surprise). IIRC, you only have 24 hours from today to claim a coupon (to be sent in 4-6 weeks). I doubt I'll go through with it, since it probably requires signing up on their website. But there's not even any info that says to do that, and I'm definitely not signing up for no reason at all.

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Posted 18 November 2008 - 04:44 PM

So how exactly do we get a coupon for a free Dr. Pepper? I went over to the DP website and not a single word about this promotion (what a surprise). IIRC, you only have 24 hours from today to claim a coupon (to be sent in 4-6 weeks). I doubt I'll go through with it, since it probably requires signing up on their website. But there's not even any info that says to do that, and I'm definitely not signing up for no reason at all.

the album isn't out until next Sunday... i believe that's when the promotion starts?

^ He did have 17 years to write it


hahahahaha, true

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Posted 18 November 2008 - 04:52 PM

Ah, silly me. I figured since everyone was talking about it, and today was a Tuesday, it was coming out today. I have not an inkling of an interest in hearing this, but I do enjoy Dr. Pepper.

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Posted 18 November 2008 - 04:58 PM

Sorry is good, very good.

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Posted 18 November 2008 - 05:08 PM

Sorry is good, very good.


:lol:

it sounds like a take on Jon Bon Jovi's solo stuff from the Young Guns II soundtrack

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Posted 18 November 2008 - 05:11 PM

Sorry is good, very good.


:lol:

it sounds like a take on Jon Bon Jovi's solo stuff from the Young Guns II soundtrack



This coming from someone who champions The National?
Every Sunday morning I wake up
I see you by your dresser doing your make-up
Fluttering a Chinese fan in a Knoxville fashion
All last night you tossed and turned
Your body was hotter than the night Richmond burned
You say you had a bad nightmare about tractor trailers crashing
- The Felice Brothers

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Posted 18 November 2008 - 05:14 PM

After work on Tuesday, I'm stopping at the Best Buy on Howard to get Chinese Democracy, then next door to Jewel for a case of Dr. Pepper.
Will post pix.

"Til then, I'll pretty much spinning Happy In Galoshes and Cosmic Lightning back to back and slamming Newcastles nonstop.

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Posted 18 November 2008 - 05:22 PM

Dero's right, the interplay between Slash and Stradlin was what made this band so great once upon a time.


Has anyone else checked out the Watch You Bleed bio yet? Must-read for anyone posting in this thread. Axl is a combination of Dennis Rodman and (fat) Marlon Brando.


It might seem blasphemous, but: The one thing that is not missing from this is Slash. The guitar solos are insane, and the one somewhat organic element on the record. Would Slash's solos have been an improvement? Slash is pretty fucking hammy, guys. Does anyone actually like his music, or just the fact that he's all leather, hair and a top hat?

Izzy I can get behind. What the record needs is a Stonesier attitude and a rhythm guitarist. Or just rhythms at all.

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Posted 18 November 2008 - 05:28 PM

Dero's right, the interplay between Slash and Stradlin was what made this band so great once upon a time.


Has anyone else checked out the Watch You Bleed bio yet? Must-read for anyone posting in this thread. Axl is a combination of Dennis Rodman and (fat) Marlon Brando.


It might seem blasphemous, but: The one thing that is not missing from this is Slash. The guitar solos are insane, and the one somewhat organic element on the record. Would Slash's solos have been an improvement? Slash is pretty fucking hammy, guys. Does anyone actually like his music, or just the fact that he's all leather, hair and a top hat?

Izzy I can get behind. What the record needs is a Stonesier attitude and a rhythm guitarist. Or just rhythms at all.


as a guitarist myself, i can say that while Slash isn't inventive player by any means, his feel is actually one of the best around and that alone puts him up there with the greats.

the guitar playing on this record sounds robotic. this album is like Star Wars Episode I, where all the cool shit was replaced by CGI

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Posted 18 November 2008 - 05:30 PM

Slash is pretty fucking hammy, guys. Does anyone actually like his music, or just the fact that he's all leather, hair and a top hat?

Those Appetite solos are fantastic. Pretty straightforward compared to the shreddy stuff that was rampant at the time, but far more memorable than most of the other rock guitarists of the era.
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