Just a reminder.

Just like Kevin Gilbert last year, I'm marathoning today for Jeff. I haven't picked up that new compilation that was released last Tuesday, but I should eventually.

Don't. You have everything that's on there.

And to think, if he hadn't died, he'd just be another '90s alt-rock one-hit-wonder today.

Jesus, ten years!
I'm joining the marathon. It's been a while since i don't listen to that voice.

great band name

loved him, r.i.p.

miss Buckley very much

A little overrated in my opinion. And yeah, his death so close to the timing of Kurt Cobain's death definately cemented him as a so-called musical icon, not his material.

So close to Cobain's death? Come on. They were 37 months apart. He was a talented guy with a sense of classic romanticism in his music. Death enhanced that side of him. Saying Buckley's overrated is overrated. It's not like you see thousands of kids wearing Buckley t-shirts or him topping any "best of the '90s" lists.

Except mine.

That new compilation has one unheard/unreleased track.

Easy to say, I guess...but I disagree.

I bought Grace in college because of some girl. She turned out to be a lesbian, but what hell, pretty good record anyway.

He tried to hook up with my friend's girlfriend backstage when he opened for Soundgarden up at Summerfest that one year. Buckley blatantly hit on her right in front of him. She was about 17 at the time.

I got news for him...... HE'S DEAD NOW!

Do you like apples.

girl with asprin to thread.

Nah, she was just experimenting.

Took me longer than it should've, huh? I still listen to him constantly, and I'm pretty sure it's not because his death was three years after Cobain's. Every listen takes me right back to every time I ever saw him live and left on the verge of tears. (Or, okay, full-out crying. Shuttup. I'm an emo girl at heart.) That voice, my god.

And yeah, he was the prettiest boy I ever did see.

He's one of the greatest "what ifs" in music history. Not only was he young and talented, but he had pretty disparate influences (especially at the time). Sketches and demos of songs like "Gunshot Glitter" reveal a guy who was at heart a romantic, but someone slightly embarrassed by his slick major label love song record who would have done some really interesting things.

Also - for better or worse (and despite all the bad RH knock-offs since, I would argue for better) - there's no "Fake Plastic Trees" without Buckley.

yeah..but I'm a completist with some artists. If I see it in a bin at Cheapo I'll atleast think about grabbing it. I mean I purchased the LAST GOODBYE single even.

Looking at my last.fm signature, you'd almost think I realized the anniversary was upon us.

Yes. Thank you!

Overrated with the capital-est of capital "O"s

Thank sweet merciful Christ they werent able to achieve the same kind of lionization with the guy from For Squirrels (not to speak ill of the dead, but he was the worst of the worst of the Stipe wannabes) that died shortly before their record came out.

for a period from 1995 to 2000 or so, he was easily my favorite artist... possible ever, and still is up there
i have never been as infatuated by a single person/artists music as i was when i was fully into Buckley mode.

hard to believe it's been 10 years

if you've never seen the Live in Chicago (from the Metro in '95) DVD, you owe it to yourself. if you're a casual fan and that doesn't give you chills, i don't know what to say. i've made more Jeff fans from recommending that DVD than anything.

That would've required anyone to have ever cared about For Squirrels.

Is that the same footage JBTV used to show? Seems like it would've been from around the same time...

I'm not sure solace would be down with the local JBTV reference, but I think it is the same footage of which you speak. Didn't Buckley appear on the show? I seem to recall him in-studio with JB. ANYWAY, this Live in Chicago DVD is pretty hot. It was the first music DVD I ever purchased, and I'm glad I did.

Me too. And if you look real hard, I'm in there.

The fact that his daddy also died young doesn't hurt the legend.

Example is one of my fave albums of the 90's still...

*whistles innocently*

it was actually pretty punky, if all you heard was the one song MTV played you'd never know though

so, if "grace" is overrated, as some people say, what would be a better album than "grace" in the same genre category for the 90s? excluding elliott smith and old dudes like waits and dylan and maybe morrissey.

OK. I only heard The Mighty KC, which I kinda dismissed as coattail-riding, and I was only a punk kid then who didn't really read up on music yet. I just remember the cute hippy girl who sat behind me in world history got it as a pressure buy and didn't appreciate it.

Basically my decisions on music are based on what will make girls like me.

Great voice, good songs. Doesn't hold any weight in my collection but I'll listen to "Grace" or "Dream Brother" every once in a while. I can't stand "Hallelujah" but that's not really his fault.

"Overrated" is my favorite of all slams. If I don't like it, it's overrated. End o' story.

Nice try, but I do like it .....and its overrated.

If he hadnt died, he'd basically be Duncan Shiek.

BTW, someone needs to cross-check all the disciples of Buckley on this site, with a list of the ones that decry adult alternative or "dad" music and see if there are any matches.
Cuz if there are that would be HI-larious.

i haven't bothered to delve into him any deeper than grace although i'd probably really like a lot of his other demos/unreleased stuff/live recordings and what not. it's almost as if i prefer to keep grace as the only jeff buckley i'll ever know or hear, which will mean his career will essentially always be flawless .

definitely a great talent and a big "what if..." rest well mr. buckley.

Sorry, correction: If I don't love it, it's overrated. End o' story.


Huh? That only tells me you haven't listened to the non-album stuff. "Hallelujah" doesn't define his career.

i like tim

Wow, I forgot that you know all my experiences, likes and dislikes. My bad.

No need to apologize.

See thats what I love about this site.
We can have fevered and often very polar debates, but at the end of the day it doesnt have to turn mean-spirited or petty or vindictive.

Shut up. Fuck you.

Ill eat your babies you cock gobbling fucknozzle

Grace is one of the few albums that is both great and overrated.

My problem isn't so much with Jeff Buckley himself. In all honesty, I find his voice amazing and he had a knack of writing some very good songs. My problem is with the canonization of Jeff Buckley based on but a fraction of what should've been a long and fruitful career. The guy was never given the chance to show that he could suck, and since his death he's been held up as this beacon of music when in all honesty the most he showed was amazing potential.

My other problem is the handling of his catalogue. Okay, I know Mary Guibert is/was a grieving mother and the album he was working on prior to his death deserved to be released, as did perhaps a live album. But since his death, we've been flooded with;

Sketches For My Sweetheart the Drunk
Mystery White Boy
Live at L'Olympia
Live at Sin-E (Legacy Edition)
The Grace EPs
Grace (Legacy Edition)
So Real: The Best of

The dude's had more stuff since his death than Zappa's had put out since his (almost). You'd think that if you wanted his legacy to remain that of a life tragically cut short, you'd leave it at Grace and Sketches. The pointless plundering of his catalogue is quickly reaching Hendrix proportions.

Pity.

Campaigner, many fans feel that way. Mary's just milking his legacy and name for all she can. Trying to claim the fame she never acquired through him and his father. The same has been thought of with the upcoming biopic.

I guess I don't blame her, but being a fan, I cannot deny enjoying hearing a lot more of his work.

It was not released in the 90's, but written and recorded then, Kevin Gilbert's "Shaming Of the True" I would say is as much of an accomplishment artistically as GRACE. Very DIFFERENT kinds of records of course, but similar in that quite diverse, and profound. It's eery the paralells between the two I find and some others do as well. But far less people know and talk about Kevin as Jeff. I see the two as Icons and Savants of 90's. To me, maybe the two greatest songwriters of the last decade that are this decade finally being discovered (although Kevin to FAR less a degree..unless one cites the Sheryl Crow record back to him).

fixed. hallelujah.

Sheik's actually not that horrible a songwriter. But Buckley had a wider range of talent and influences that kept him away from that bland border of Dawson's Creek soundtrack-ness.

I find it hard to say that Buckley was just "potential", when the guy released a pretty great record, some awesome songs ("The Sky is a Landfill" is just a demo and listen to how awesome that song is!) and there's evidence of amazing, amazing live shows.

yeah, anyone who has ever dug even a bit into his live shows knows just truly how much talent he possessed already, fuck potential. sure he likely still had a ton of great songs on him, but he accomplished in 6 years what few have done for me over the course of very long careers.

and at times i prefer the first disc of Sketches to Grace...