http://www.pitchforkmedia.com/article/reco...17-make-believe

Seriously? 0.4? Make Believe is chock full of tens. And a review actually talking about the music and the context surrounding the album? Please. "Beverly Hills" is more memorable than any neutered indie rock they rave about. "Perfect Situation" and "Freak Me Out" are more amusing than any hipster comic on Matador, or Geffen or whatever no-name indie label they are getting paid to promote. And "Cuomo's Boner is frothing at the Mouth" is more moving and emotional than anything that Gym Class Fallout that Pitchfork has been creaming their girl jeans about ever wrote.

Who else is with me and is "over" Pitchfork. This is Web 2.0. If I say Make Believe is chock full of tens then I should be able to go edit the review and give it the correct rating.

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I like Perfect Situation. I don't know about the rest of it. I want to like Make Believe.

Perfect Situation is the best song on the album by a mile.

The harsh critical reaction to this perfectly decent rock album was completely fucking uncalled for, I feel. Bleh.

I mean, some people actually LIKED Maladroit. And nobody liked this. Bizarre.

I still pull out Make Believe occasionally. I felt it was a definite step in the right direction (after Maladroit at least).

I feel like it might have worked better if they'd waited maybe 20 years to release it. It really sounds like a bunch of old people trying to recapture their past glories with a hip, happenin' comeback album. Like A Bigger Bang, but not god-fucking-awful.

And I honestly like pretty much every song on it. "Freak Me Out," "The Damage In Your Heart," "This Is Such A Pity"... these are excellent songs with beautiful melodies, the kind of effortlessly hookless things that we're so used to Weezer being able to churn out. Fine, fine record.

I'M GOING TO TRY TO IMPROVE MY MANNERS

MANNERS

gotta hear this album

EVERYONE, YES EVERYONE IS MY FRIIIIIIIIIIIIEND

I Like this album too, BTW but "Perfect Situation" is a great song amidst a group of good songs.

this is a joke right?
this album was every bit a 0.4.
'Beverly Hills' makes every song on Maladriot seem like a fucking 10.
i'll die happy if I never have to hear that song ever again.

from the four or five songs I know alone, MB >>>>>>>>> Mal

I'm convinced that anyone who thinks Maladroit is a better album than Make Believe is a faceless drone who can't form his own opinion of music

Make Believe is album of the year 2005

I think both are just meh. Each disc has a few decent tracks (though "Perfect Situation" is the best song from either of those albums), both have some major stinkers.

wikipedia says:

"As of October 2005, Maladroit had sold 590,718 copies in the United States."

"As of March 2006, Make Believe has sold 1,103,757 units in the U.S. alone."

Even if every song on this album was horrible unlistenable trash (which is pretty much the opposite of the truth), "Perfect Situation" propels this album to at least a 3.0.

I'm all about "Hold Me" and "Peace." Weezer canon-worthy tunes for sure. Whole album is (another) underappreciated power pop gem.

whoa lol i actually just read this. how fucking retarded are this sentence



what a worthless deposit of bile, I'd rather fuck a toad than have a stick up my ass this big

This is the only dent in your argument. I never got into that song, though it did improve in my mind from "really horrible" to "not good".

also this was supposed to be a joke thread and am surprised it got any responses on a saturday. I just copied Paul's topic and replaced modern lovers with weezer referneces. lol

but srsly make believe is awesome

i would've thought "Cuomos Boner Is Frothing At The Mouth" would have hurt my argument fwiw

I would like "We Are All On Drugs" if he changed the pitch of the verse hook a little bit.

I would like WAAOD if I was OD.

Weeze > Weezer

Alright.. my stance is more in line with Matt's... I think my hatred of "Beverley Hills" was my main reason for hating MB in general so much. I just don't see how anyone can have anything remotely good to say about that song. Fucking terrible.

Pitchfork rocks, I love how they are sticking it to everyone lately and anything people really are just gunning for to be good they shoot down, its hilarious and mostly accurate, some of the shit people love is insanely awful.

the downfall of somb

Pt. 1 of ?

Haha. You dudes listened to Weezer records.

I'm talking critical reception.

Even Stylus has an "On Second Thought" article on Maladroit and there are plenty of people who frequently say, "Oh, yeah, there's a few good songs on there." Whereas Make Believe continually gets the shit slammed out of it. Who but Paves and Sausage have made any effort at revisionist history regarding this album?

I mean, the reasons for the hate are obvious. Maladroit is just kind of boring and completely devoid of energy, whereas Make Believe has laughably awful songs like "Beverly Hills" and "We Are All On Drugs," and lyrics like "I'm going to try to improve my manners! Everyone, yes, everyone is my friend!" so it's easier to rip on. But it's all totally enjoyable.

It's not revisionist history for me as I liked Make Believe a lot when it first came out and still do. I think part of the reluctance to treat it as a decent album for most people comes from the ubiquitous nature of "Beverly Hills". I don't hate the song (at least not anywhere close to the level from the average pre-2001 comeback Weezer fan), but I would think that even Rivers Cuomo would admit that it is a big, dumb rock song that he probably knew from the second he finished writing it would be their biggest mainstream hit yet. I still maintain that if the outro had Rivers saying, "You crazy for this one Rick," ala "99 Problems," the hipster reaction would have been entirely different.

"Perfect Situation" is definitely underrated by the online community, just due to the previous two singles being "Beverly Hills" and "We Are All On Drugs." I think the best bet for the critical revisionism on Make Believe is that the next Weezer album actually sucks instead of just sucking for not being Pinkerton Part Two or when the Weezer Greatest Hits comes out and can get the same type of reaction as Blink-182's did.

Yeah, see, this isn't much worse than Blink's last (fairly great) album. But Enema of The State never had quite the reputation that Pinkerton had amongst the hipster community, so people were able to look at it and say, "This is cool, this is their mature album, who cares about their other shit, there are keyboards here, lol" when it's really not all that mature when you consider that it's basically just a better version of Box Car Racer, and pretending that the more "serious" Tom Delonge tries to make his music, the less hilarious and awful it becomes... well, the opposite is clearly true. Make Believe really feels like a more personal, more filled-out version of The Green Album's no-bullshit big guitar power pop. The music is about as simple, but the attempts for Rivers to really "open up"... eh, these are clearly songs by a guy who lives at Harvard in a room with no possessions except for a map of the world and who only eats Chinese food or whatever. The guy who wrote Pinkerton wasn't nearly this batshit insane. That dude wasn't celibate, for one thing. He's only 37, but he's also pretty much an old man at this point. Dude's lost it, obviously. But man, what he HASN'T lost is the ability to bring the motherfuckin' hooks.

i knew what deejs post was going to be before i even clicked on this topic.

it's a shame you guys are missing out on the greatest band to ever walk the earth

et tu bobthesquid?

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I'm wearing a Make Believe shirt today. True story.

Sorry, dude. Weezer chafes my thighs.

LET IT GO

(THE DAMAGE IN YOUR HEART)

The last 20 seconds of this song = just fucking beautiful.

lol. Weezer.

Hasn't this thread existed before?

"This is Such a Pity", "Perfect Situation", "Hold Me", "Peace" - all good stuff. But seriously, WAAOD and 'Beverly Hills' are just horrible. Probably the worst songs of Weezer's career. To this day, I can't believe they were the lead two singles from the album. Maladroit is unimpressive, but it doesn't have anything as laughably bad as those two songs, so yeah, it's not surprising why each has the stigma that it does.

ban

Yes. Thank you.

I love it when the Church of Weezer comes down every so often and attempts to prove Rivers infallibility

What the fuck. Since when did you start hating weezer. this is bullshit. we're not friends anymore.

I don't know about you, but I'd take "laughably bad" over something that is merely "unimpressive" any day of the fucking week.

They're the biggest "wtf"s of Weezer's catalog, but I enjoy the hell out of them. And somehow, I can't even get myself to call them "bad songs." I mean, they're clearly awful and embarassing, but they just do it for me.

Wtf is with all the Weezer hate? I'm not going to say they are the best band in the world, but they are pretty solid. Bunch of killjoys on this board.

For the record: Make Believe>>>>>Maladroit.