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sin city
this team continues to make outstanding moves...

CHICAGO (AP) -- Hockey Hall of Fame coach Scotty Bowman is joining the Chicago Blackhawks as a senior adviser for hockey operations.

Bowman has won nine Stanley Cup championships as a coach. He's to be introduced at an afternoon news conference at the United Center.

The 74-year-old Bowman has been a special consultant with the Detroit Red Wings, a team he coached to three Stanley Cup titles.

He also won five championships with the Montreal Canadiens and another with the Pittsburgh Penguins.

Red Wings general manager Ken Holland says he's going to miss Bowman "personally and professionally" but that he's "earned the right to pursue whatever opportunities he thinks will make him happy."

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/hock...n.ap/index.html

nagode
QUOTE (sin city @ Jul 31 2008, 01:43 PM) *
this team continues to make outstanding moves...

CHICAGO (AP) -- Hockey Hall of Fame coach Scotty Bowman is joining the Chicago Blackhawks as a senior adviser for hockey operations.

Bowman has won nine Stanley Cup championships as a coach. He's to be introduced at an afternoon news conference at the United Center.

The 74-year-old Bowman has been a special consultant with the Detroit Red Wings, a team he coached to three Stanley Cup titles.

He also won five championships with the Montreal Canadiens and another with the Pittsburgh Penguins.

Red Wings general manager Ken Holland says he's going to miss Bowman "personally and professionally" but that he's "earned the right to pursue whatever opportunities he thinks will make him happy."

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/hock...n.ap/index.html


the hawks are killin it this offseason...never have i been so excited to be a season ticketholder than this season...
HewlettsDaughter
I'm not a big hockey follower, but even i know that this ^^^^ is a really great move on the Hawks part. This team is going to be pretty exciting this year, eh?

Speaking of this year, any idea when these Wrigley tickets go on sale or what teh deal is with them? This would be the perfect gift for my dad, as he's a HUUUUGE Hawks fan.


pong
The off season moves I read about make me think they might actually be a contender this year. Bravo.
nagode
QUOTE (Hewletts Daughter @ Jul 31 2008, 01:47 PM) *
I'm not a big hockey follower, but even i know that this ^^^^ is a really great move on the Hawks part. This team is going to be pretty exciting this year, eh?

Speaking of this year, any idea when these Wrigley tickets go on sale or what teh deal is with them? This would be the perfect gift for my dad, as he's a HUUUUGE Hawks fan.


no date has been announced yet...but hawks season ticket holders have been granted first dibs...thank god...we originally were gonna get snubbed...heres more info...

http://blackhawks.nhl.com/tickets/winterclassicfaq.htm
HewlettsDaughter
thnx for the info

i'm pretty much going to fight tooth 'n nail for those things partly because i really want to go and moreover because my dad really really wants to go



nagode
QUOTE (Hewletts Daughter @ Jul 31 2008, 01:54 PM) *
thnx for the info

i'm pretty much going to fight tooth 'n nail for those things partly because i really want to go and moreover because my dad really really wants to go


yeah just keep in mind it is new years day...dont want to be blowing chunks when you wake up all hunogver and then freeze your ass off...
HewlettsDaughter
Oh, no worries. I've already braced myself for the worst if I were to get tickets to this.

Inevitable hangover + Inevitable sub-zero conditions + raucous crowd = New years day for the ages


Saskadelphia
QUOTE (pong @ Jul 31 2008, 12:50 PM) *
The off season moves I read about make me think they might actually be a contender this year. Bravo.

The goalie situation is still very, very iffy. 12 million spent on two rather inconsistent players. That has to be rectified, and waiting to pull a deadline deal would be too late in the season.

Montreal, meanwhile, has the best goalie depth in the NHL, and how much have they spent on their three guys? 3 million.
nagode
QUOTE (b17yoe @ Oct 16 2008, 11:30 AM) *


seriously wtf...there musta been some serious behind the scenes bullshit goin on...
b17yoe
Sun-Times too.

QUOTE (nagode @ Oct 16 2008, 12:31 PM) *
QUOTE (b17yoe @ Oct 16 2008, 11:30 AM) *


seriously wtf...there musta been some serious behind the scenes bullshit goin on...


Yah. Must've been. This is crazy.
b17yoe
Could Scotty Bowman now be the coach?

???
pins
Woah, not what I expected after last night's win. (Great game after the 1st period).

Bowman has said he doesn't want to coach, though it's certainly a possibility as an interim. There were rumors Quenneville was going to scout for the team, so he's a possibility too.

This move is purely Dale Tallon trying to save his own ass after horribly mismanaging the salary cap this summer.
Even moreso, I'm guessing Savard wanted to name Khabibulin the full-time starter and end the goalie carousel.
b17yoe
New coach appears to be Quenneville.
nagode
QUOTE (b17yoe @ Oct 16 2008, 11:33 AM) *
Could Scotty Bowman now be the coach?

???


theyve named queneville...but man wouldnt be surprised if sometime down the road....
Saskadelphia
When they hired Quenneville as a scout, you could see this happening from a mile away. Just not so swiftly. The Hawks aren't playing that poorly, after all. But this was clearly Tallon's M.O. from the get-go.
pins
QUOTE (nagode @ Oct 16 2008, 12:01 PM) *
QUOTE (b17yoe @ Oct 16 2008, 11:33 AM) *
Could Scotty Bowman now be the coach?

???


theyve named queneville...but man wouldnt be surprised if sometime down the road....


You'll see Stan behind the bench before you see Scotty.

As Sask said, the hiring of Quenneville was a big-time sign he was next in line (for some reason I thought the hiring fell through after his DUI last month).

Don't disagree with either move, but the timing is pretty suspect.
nagode
we were discussing at work how this may stem from khabi recent play in goal and savie's possible bumping of him to the number 1 goalie since huet is eating a fat dick lately...and how tallon would completely object to that since he wants to get rid of his ass...\

edit: yeah what pins basically stated before...
Saskadelphia
If you American hockey fans don't read Bob McKenzie at tsn.ca, you should...

QUOTE
I will leave it to far greater hockey minds than me to determine whether Denis Savard deserved to be fired as head coach of the Chicago Blackhawks after just four games into the NHL season -- although, as Clint Eastwood said in Unforgiven, "deserves got nuthin to do with it" – but the one thing we should all be able to agree on is that it comes as no surprise.

None at all.

The writing was on the wall for this in so many ways they are almost too numerous to mention, but let's try:

1. Expectations. The buzz over Blackhawk hockey in Chicago this off-season has been off the scale. From the fans to the media to ownership and management, the expectation for this exciting young team that just missed the playoffs last season was nothing less than to be a playoff team and perform on the ice to the same level as the marketing department had done off it.

That, and that alone, has been more than enough to derail career coaches with a lot more experience and track record than Savard. So three losses off the hop this season didn't help any. After the third loss, the Chicago papers were full of critical comments saying this Hawk resurgence seemed to be a lot more sizzle than steak.

2. New hierarchy. A lot of this buzz and expectation level has been driven by the front-office team led by new president John McDonough, who amongst other things was instrumental in bringing Scotty Bowman into the fold as a senior advisor.

The mandate of this new group headed by chairman Rocky Wirtz and McDonough is to take the Hawks to another level. They didn't hire Savard per se, the new guys were not fully invested and when they started to wonder if Savard fit the mold of a coach to take them to the next level, it didn't take long for them to act.

3. The relationship with Bowman. He was brought in to be a mentor for Savard and GM Dale Tallon, but it was becoming fairly clear fairly quickly that Savard and Bowman were not engaging in the same positive relationship that, for example, Red Wing coach Mike Babcock enjoyed with Bowman in Detroit. Those close to McDonough say he was miffed that a young, learning coach like Savard wouldn't take greater advantage of a resource such as Bowman.

4. The hiring of Joel Quenneville as a pro scout. The Blackhawks might as well have put up a billboard on the Magnificent Mile saying Quenneville would be the next coach of the Hawks, as soon as Savard stumbled. And he is. Sometimes in this business, appearances are not deceiving.

5. Savard's handling of netminder Cristobal Huet. It didn't get a lot of publicity because it happened in the pre-season, but on Sept. 29, Huet was lit up 7-1 in a game against the Columbus Blue Jackets and left in for all seven goals.

What made it even worse is that the Hawks, outside of Huet, were basically going with their B team lineup that night. No Toews, Kane, Sharp, Havlat, Byfuglien, Campbell, Keith or Seabrook in that game. But the No. 1 goalie, the big free-agent signing of the off-season, plays, gets torched for seven and doesn't get any relief. Suffice to say that was not well received in the front office.

6. Savard's handling of forward Marty Havlat: The two were clearly at odds. Now, Havlat's detractors will suggest he's a one-dimensional player with a selfish streak. His supporters will tell you he's a dynamic offensive talent who only needs to be in a primetime role to be an NHL offensive superstar.

Whichever way you slice it, Havlat was, until the summer, the Hawks' highest-paid skater and was struggling mightily to get a few scraps of power-play time. Whatever you think of Havlat, the PP is what he was born to do. Now, the decision to fire Savard was made on Wednesday – before last night's win over the Coyotes – but take a look at the Blackhawks' PP minutes amongst forwards from last night's game. Six forwards – Toews, Kane, Sharp, Byfuglien, Versteeg and Bolland – played more PP minutes than Havlat, who finished with a mere 1:55 of man-advantage minutes.

If you add all of them up, presto, there's your changing of the coach four games into the season.

At the end of the day, the bottom line is that the Blackhawk hierarchy simply decided that they didn't have full confidence in Savard to take them to the next level and that they needed a more polished, experienced hand behind the bench.

Enter Quenneville. Exit Savard.

Deserved? You decide.

Surprised? Not a chance.
nosmokeinthelungs
1. This goalie debacle has proven to be a huge mistake. Not because Huet looks like he has been overpaid, but rather the way the organization went about going after another goalie. They, as an organization, acted like a snake. This mixed message bullshit they pulled with Khabi was complete cowardice. If you don't like the way your top guy is playing, trade him or send him down or tell him he has competition. Instead, they didn't tell Khabi anything and gave him the silent treatment, and the day before the final roster is due, they try to throw him off the bus. It backfired and it made the Hawks look stupid, especially now that he looks to be more competent than Huet. I hold Tallon responsible for this.

2. Maybe this firing of Savvy could work in the long run, but this was not warranted. Savvy deserved a warning to get his team in gear and he should have been given a month or so. They gave Hartsburg longer, they gave Suhonen longer, and they gave Graham longer, yet Savvy had taken the team to a better record over his tenure, I think. This reeks of snakery again because now it looks like the hiring of Quenneville as a scout had ulterior motives. Now, I trust the wisdom of Scotty Bowman, but this just doesn't make sense right now. The Hawks win, it makes sense, they lose or stay .500, someone in the front office needs to go. Second major misstep after an offseason of great moves.

Hey, you're only as strong as your last move.
Saskadelphia
Rome wasn't built in a day. Gotta be patient during the rebuilding process. Look at the Habs, they've taken baby steps over the last five years, and now not only are they the class of the Eastern conference, but they are absolutely loaded with prospects.
pins
QUOTE (Saskadelphia @ Oct 16 2008, 11:15 PM) *
Rome wasn't built in a day. Gotta be patient during the rebuilding process. Look at the Habs, they've taken baby steps over the last five years, and now not only are they the class of the Eastern conference, but they are absolutely loaded with prospects.


Savvy wasn't the answer, but the timing and treatment is really suspect.

McKenzie's points were all pretty spot-on, except for the Huet situation. He's really not played well, and the whole episode has been pretty mismanaged. I think Huet will pull out of it, but at his best, he's not much of an upgrade over Khabibulin either.
KaBoom21
Commit to the drunkard!
pong
I am not happy with what just happened to Savvy and I wish the Hawks would have kept (hobbyboolin LOL) and got another offensive player.

With that said: this new coach looks like a super stud so time will tell.
Killface
Going to see the Hawks on Halloween with the Moustache behind the bench.

I'm more upset that they did this to Savard DURING the season. Quenneville is a better coach with a proven track record, so I'm not upset that he is the coach, just moreso because of the timing and that Savard was THE player of my generation of Hawks fans.

Here's Turco's numbers at the UC...Hawks could have some trouble:

at Arena GPI GS Min GAA W L T OTL ENG ShO GA SA SvPct
At United Center 9 9 543 1.33 6 2 1 0 0 2 12 214 .944

That guy just owns the Hawks...OWN-ZUH, OWN-ZUH... tongue.gif

Ned
That fucking roadtrip.

How bout those Hawks being a real hockey franchise?

Going to the game the 26th. Shit yeah.
Saskadelphia
Now word has it that Huet will be on the block.

Gotta admit, they've looked incredible the last three games. It's going to be quite a war between Detroit, San Jose, Vancouver, and Chicago. The entire west for that matter.
Holiday in Risk
VCs won't be a top 4 seed in the playoffs if they're going to be without Luongo much longer. Sanford's been okay but he's no top-flight goaltender by a long shot. Calgary should win that division, and as well as the Hawks have been playing, I don't see them passing Detroit.
Saskadelphia
QUOTE (Holiday in Risk @ Dec 21 2008, 04:59 PM) *
VCs won't be a top 4 seed in the playoffs if they're going to be without Luongo much longer. Sanford's been okay but he's no top-flight goaltender by a long shot. Calgary should win that division

Just wait until the new year. They now have outstanding depth up front, and Luongo will be back. The huge factor for them is the defense...they desperately need Salo and Bieksa to stay healthy.

Flames can't score, they're stubbornly reverting to the boring Sutter style, Kipper's not the gamebreaker he was three years ago, so I can't see them doing anything but underachieving. Iginla just doesn't have enough talent around him.
MattDrufke
Anyone going to the Wrigley game on New Years?
norton
This story's been floating around for a couple weeks now, but in case some of you missed it:

QUOTE
Blackhawks big winners on special road trip
Without fanfare, Hawks are there for their GM

Rick Morrissey | In the wake of the news

11:40 PM CST, December 14, 2008

It began with the rarest of elements in professional sports: silence. No press release. No major announcement. No photo opportunity. Just the quiet of people doing a nice thing, the right thing.

Blackhawks general manager Dale Tallon was murmuring prayers over his father's casket a half-hour before the wake was to begin. The family was saying its goodbyes to Stan Tallon, a tough, big-hearted guy who liked helping troubled kids. Dale's mother, Julie, was there. So were his wife, Meg, and their two children, Lauren and Kristen.

Dale Tallon looked up and noticed a few members of the Hawks' front office wandering into the funeral home. That's odd, he thought. This is Gravenhurst, Ontario. They're supposed to be in Chicago. In the whirl and clatter of his emotions, Tallon was having trouble connecting thoughts.

Then he saw some Hawks players walking through the door — Adam Burish, Jonathan Toews, Patrick Kane, Cristobal Huet. On and on it went, fresh-faced kids and battle-scarred veterans. Coach Joel Quenneville and his staff. The trainers. John McDonough, the team president, too.

"I told my mother, 'Mom, the team's here. The whole team's here,' " Tallon said. "She said, 'You've got to be kidding.' She became 6 feet tall all of a sudden. She went from one emotion to another, a complete 180. She went from distraught to all of a sudden having a little fire in her eye. She was a little excited about it."

Sports sections are filled with stories about angry, greedy, self-absorbed athletes. There's a simple reason for that. There are a lot of angry, greedy, self-absorbed athletes. So you tend to notice when a group of players goes the opposite direction, especially when it's done in a near whisper.

On Nov. 22, the Blackhawks beat the Maple Leafs 5-4 on Dave Bolland's goal in overtime. Rather than take a chartered flight back to Chicago, the team decided to stay in Toronto, practice the next day and then make the 110-mile trip north to Gravenhurst for the wake. That's how it came to be that two busloads of Hawks personnel walked through the doors of a funeral home in the middle of Ontario on a cold night.

No acclaim. No hubbub. Just a nice thing, the right thing.

No one is exactly sure how the story got out. Some of us media members received an e-mail detailing the feel-good story of a professional hockey team going the extra miles for their general manager. It mentioned how one of the buses stopped at a McDonald's after the wake — millionaire athletes stopping for Big Macs! — and how the townsfolk were shocked to see the players walk through the doors. The McDonald's happened to be giving out trading cards, including Toews' and Kane's, with Happy Meals.

Most of the e-mail was accurate. Some of it — like the description of the buses being "rickety" and unheated — wasn't. And the players didn't vote unanimously to go to the wake. They were told they were going by management. Not that it matters.

"You might have expected a lot of complaints from people, but I didn't hear one," wing Patrick Sharp said. "It was the eighth day of a seven-day road trip, so I think a lot of people had that Sunday booked with their family, their kids.

"The obvious reaction would have been complaining and guys upset about it. But it wasn't. Everybody was onboard."

The e-mail spread like wildfire, the way forwarded e-mails are wont to do. Tallon heard from friends in the U.S., Canada and Europe who had seen it. The International Herald Tribune picked up the story about the hockey team with a heart.

Why did it resonate with people? Because it answers a deep desire for our faith to be restored in athletes. Some of us don't like where the sports world has taken us. We don't recognize ourselves in most of the people we root for. We don't see humanity in them. When CC Sabathia signs a $161 million contract with the Yankees, he might as well be from Mars.

The behavior the Hawks exhibited by going to the Tallon wake is behavior that good, normal people exhibit in everyday life. We're surprised when athletes do it.

We're not quite as surprised when hockey players do it. One of the truths in professional sports is that hockey players are different.

"A lot of us are Canadian, from small towns, and even the American boys are from small towns," Tallon said. "We kind of just do our jobs and do our business and stick our nose to the grindstone. That's a Canadian trait. Canadians just do their work.

"Just like this story. No one really came out and talked about it. It just started picking up a life of its own. The players went to the wake. They didn't brag about it. They were happy to do it. They're normal people. They don't think that highly of themselves.

"That's a nice trait to have. This group especially. Don't forget that some of these guys are first overall ( NHL picks), third overall, seventh overall. Some of these kids could have been a little full of themselves, given their draft position and what they've done. We don't have that on our team. It's really nice to see."

Tallon tried talking to the players in a side chapel at the funeral home but got choked up and couldn't finish. He said he still gets teary-eyed thinking about their gesture.

The Hawks bused back to Toronto and flew home that night. Quietly. Kind of hard to picture Terrell Owens going with that flow. Then again, it's kind of hard to picture NHL players putting up with Owens.

Stan Tallon died at 80 of Parkinson's disease. He had been a fine hockey player in his own right, playing briefly in the American Hockey League, and he had continued competing until he was 68. His son said the old man would have been tickled by the Hawks' show of force at his wake.

"He would have had a smile on his face," Dale Tallon said. "He would have been elated. He loved hockey players."

We do too.

rmorrissey@tribune.com


Ned
QUOTE (MattDrufke @ Dec 22 2008, 08:27 AM) *
Anyone going to the Wrigley game on New Years?


Seems like it would be a very fun thing to go to, but the ticket prices are through the roof and hocky's not really the best sport to watch from back in the outfield mezzanine. Still sort of wish I were going though, just for the experience.

Also, dudes see that game against philly tonight? Great stuff.
Stan Gable
Nine in a row. Two this week against the division-leading Red Wings, who are ahead by 4 points.

I've never been into hockey, but this team and last year's has got me interested.
Dag Nasty
QUOTE (Stan Gable @ Dec 29 2008, 10:45 AM) *
I've never been into hockey


Me neither but I watched 10, 15 minutes of yesterday's Hawks game up in St. Paul - I have no fucking clue what's going on with that sport - there don't seem to be any rules. The Minnesota Wild jerseys are cool, though.
Killface
NBC must be praying for a Hawks win on Tuesday, which would add even more storylines to the game. It will be for first place on top of all the other hype, should make for an interesting game, either way.

Tuesday's game is must watch TV, at least for me.
pins
Tickets are actually dropping pretty harsh for the Classic. Can get a lot of the $325 tickets for under face on ebay it seems.
That said, still a boatload of money.

I am going to the game though, which I'm really starting to look forward to as long as my seats are good (upper deck, but tickets are supposedly "limited view." If that's based off baseball, then it may be fine, but have to see).

I think I'm more excited to skate on the ice on Sunday though. Really, how cool will that be!?

Saskadelphia
It'd be really great if the weather cooperates. The last two outdoor games have been cool spectacles, but have made for some middling hockey.

Edit: I got the big Greatest Canadiens Games DVD set for Christmas, and the Heritage Classic is on there. Why???

It's awesome you get to skate there, pins...that'd be more exciting than the actual game!
velocity
Apropos of nothing, I need to say that the Sharks are playing so well this season there's no way they can't go the distance. Nor can I imagine that they'll succeed.
HewlettsDaughter
QUOTE (pins @ Dec 29 2008, 04:11 PM) *
I think I'm more excited to skate on the ice on Sunday though. Really, how cool will that be!?


this is pretty amazing. i tried really hard to get tickets for this for my dad as a christmas gift, but they sold out almost instantly. bummer. still, we'll be checking out a game in march, so he's pretty stoked for that.


enjoy the skate, piiiiiiiins!



Saskadelphia
QUOTE (velocity @ Dec 30 2008, 12:46 AM) *
Apropos of nothing, I need to say that the Sharks are playing so well this season there's no way they can't go the distance. Nor can I imagine that they'll succeed.

Long way to go, but they are looking solid. Though they were absolutely humbled by the Wings a short while back.
Killface
QUOTE (Saskadelphia @ Dec 30 2008, 02:12 AM) *
QUOTE (velocity @ Dec 30 2008, 12:46 AM) *
Apropos of nothing, I need to say that the Sharks are playing so well this season there's no way they can't go the distance. Nor can I imagine that they'll succeed.

Long way to go, but they are looking solid. Though they were absolutely humbled by the Wings a short while back.


Complete side note on the Sharks....Claude Lemieux??? Really????

HUGE game tonight, Red Wings/Hawks...doesn't get bigger than that...Hawks going for 10 in a row, setting up a battle for first at the Winter Classic...

LET'S GO HAWKS!!!

smile.gif
Dag Nasty
Walked by the ballpark last night after work & stopped to peek through 'The Knothole' at the construction of the rink. Small crowd of people standing around gawking - one harsh looking meth-head chick in a shiny Hawks windbreaker kept saying to herself, "This is so cool. This is just so cool!" as she pressed against the gate.
Hips
how funny does STan Makita look in those car commercials? Especially the part where he shakes his stick and says something about the boys from the motor city are coming to the friendly confines. BUT YOU KNOW IT'S NOT GOING TO BE TOO FRIENDLY.

LOLZ
souvlaki
So just sauntering into this thread, I have to ask you hawks fans, how is Havlat looking this season? He's as streaky and injury prone as they come but there have been times - all too brief I guess - when he's been absolutely lights out. The numbers arent really there this year though and he's an upcoming FA.

Any chance he'll get moved at the deadline? Pretty clear the Hawks are going to be buyers and not sellers this year, but with his contract status, and the fact that he's been supplanted by Kane and Towes and maybe even Sharp as the team's go-to guy....

The chances of him moving are probably slim, but I'd love to see him on the Canucks for the right price.
Saskadelphia
Is this a good game, or what? Phenomenal atmosphere, great conditions, lots of hate, terrific pace.

And the retro unis are awesome.
Hips
this game has my fiance online looking for tickets to her first hawks game. looks awesome out there.
Dead Billy
'Hawks gotta get tougher, NOW!
Holiday in Risk
This got shitty fast.

"Look, America! The Blackhawks are BACK!"
(Huet gives up five unanswered goals)

All hype, no delivery. Just another John McDonough production, I guess.
Saskadelphia
QUOTE (Holiday in Risk @ Jan 1 2009, 03:06 PM) *
This got shitty fast.

No way, it was a terrific game. The Hawks came out well, but you can't rattle the Wings, and they schooled Chicago in the last 30 minutes. Quintessential Detroit, it was an amazing display.

Easily the best outdoor game yet.
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