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Kennan
QUOTE(brent_D @ Feb 22 2008, 05:46 PM) [snapback]586256[/snapback]
**** 1/2 in the new Spin.

The issue which, coincidentally, features Vampire Weekend on the cover, a Malkmus interview, and a Jessica Hopper spread on the new "Chicago, ILL" sound [Cool Kids, Flosstra., Kid Sister]. It's a pretty SOMB issue. Well, except for Paramore. We haven't done that thread. Yet...

Anyway, REM:

"Will be rightfully championed as the defibrillator that shocked a once-great band back to its senses."


yeah, read this today. review by josh modell! (worked at Atomic Records in Milwaukee; ran old MILK magazine, then went to Onion AV. always thought he was pretty sensible.)

so yes. he says best album since aftp. don't know about that, we'll see: LEAK.
Elia Isquire
I think New Adventures is a slight bit better. There are tracks here that, while good, are good in a way that simply reminds you of how they're so heavily influenced by much-better work from the band itself. See: "Hollow Man."
kingsleadhat
QUOTE(Elia Isquire @ Feb 23 2008, 01:02 AM) [snapback]586441[/snapback]
See: "Hollow Man."

We. Can't. See. Hollow Man. The motherfucker hasn't leaked yet.
r.i.p.
Listen to more of the album here:

http://www.remaccelerate.com/index.php?section=audio
Music Saves
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Damn Stipe sounds old on those other two clips. He sounds alright on Supernatural Superserious, but gravelly and lower on the other two. I know he's aging, but it almost sounds like there's no urgency in his singing, which might make him a bit higher sounding. Until The Day Is Done sounds pretty dirgey and bad, but Horse To Water sounds like a proper rock song.
Dr. Johnny Fever
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QUOTE(brent_D @ Feb 23 2008, 10:34 AM) [snapback]586527[/snapback]

Damn Stipe sounds old on those other two clips. He sounds alright on Supernatural Superserious, but gravelly and lower on the other two. I know he's aging, but it almost sounds like there's no urgency in his singing, which might make him a bit higher sounding. Until The Day Is Done sounds pretty dirgey and bad, but Horse To Water sounds like a proper rock song.


I noticed his vocal differences too. The urgency was definitely there on the Dublin versions of "Horse to Water" -- Mills harmonies were also alot more present on that tune as well.
Music Saves
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QUOTE(brent_D @ Feb 23 2008, 10:34 AM) [snapback]586527[/snapback]

Damn Stipe sounds old on those other two clips. He sounds alright on Supernatural Superserious, but gravelly and lower on the other two. I know he's aging, but it almost sounds like there's no urgency in his singing, which might make him a bit higher sounding. Until The Day Is Done sounds pretty dirgey and bad, but Horse To Water sounds like a proper rock song.


I noticed his vocal differences too. The urgency was definitely there on the Dublin versions of "Horse to Water" -- Mills harmonies were also alot more present on that tune as well.

Hell, they could've used the Dublin concerts as a backbone for the new album then, a la New Adventures In Hi-Fi. Maybe take after take on the vocal too away from the energy.
Sickpup
They should get Roddy Woomble to write their records. He'd do a much better job at this juncture.
Limeinthecoconut
QUOTE(brent_D @ Feb 23 2008, 10:34 AM) [snapback]586527[/snapback]


Thanks for those clips. Stipe's voice on "Until the Day is Done" sounds slowed, though the music is fine. The other two are really good, especially "Horse to Water."
solace
QUOTE(Sickpup @ Feb 23 2008, 12:37 PM) [snapback]586610[/snapback]
They should get Roddy Woomble to write their records. He'd do a much better job at this juncture.


hah!

true though wink.gif
TaxiDriver
QUOTE(brent_D @ Feb 22 2008, 06:46 PM) [snapback]586256[/snapback]
**** 1/2 in the new Spin.

The issue which, coincidentally, features Vampire Weekend on the cover, a Malkmus interview, and a Jessica Hopper spread on the new "Chicago, ILL" sound [Cool Kids, Flosstra., Kid Sister]. It's a pretty SOMB issue. Well, except for Paramore. We haven't done that thread. Yet...

Anyway, REM:

"Will be rightfully championed as the defibrillator that shocked a once-great band back to its senses."



Cool! I like what I hear on the snippets, too. Damn, I hope this leaks soon.
solace
listening to a full quality version of the single, i like it a lot more now that i can hear Mills great backing harmonies.

the other 2 tracks sound ok... still nothing that has me truly excited though (but definitely more optimistic than the last 2 records)
TaxiDriver
QUOTE(solace @ Feb 23 2008, 03:01 PM) [snapback]586647[/snapback]
listening to a full quality version of the single, i like it a lot more now that i can hear Mills great backing harmonies.

the other 2 tracks sound ok... still nothing that has me truly excited though (but definitely more optimistic than the last 2 records)


Of the three or four reviews from people who've heard it at listening parties, they have agreed "Living Well is the Best Revenge," "Man-Sized Wreath," the title track and "Horse to Water" are among the best tracks. I like the single and "Horse to Water" and remember "Living Well" as being the best song from the Dublin sessions. And yeah, it sounds a LOT more encouraging than the last two (though I at least like the first singles from those records).
vurt
QUOTE(Sickpup @ Feb 24 2008, 07:37 AM) [snapback]586610[/snapback]
They should get Roddy Woomble to write their records. He'd do a much better job at this juncture.


Good call. People were really down on those later Idlewild records, but I always thought they were decent.

I can't see this album being any kind of defibrillator if it contains that godawful DJ song.
Sickpup
And does anyone seriously believe what any of those major magazines say about big records anymore?

I'm convinced the editorial staff decides in advance what they're going to give the record (4.5 or 5 stars) and then just assigns it to the first writer who agrees that it lives up to that rating.
r.i.p.
QUOTE(Sickpup @ Feb 23 2008, 04:41 PM) [snapback]586798[/snapback]
And does anyone seriously believe what any of those major magazines say about big records anymore?

I'm convinced the editorial staff decides in advance what they're going to give the record (4.5 or 5 stars) and then just assigns it to the first writer who agrees that it lives up to that rating.


Rolling Stone's stars seem arbitrary/pre-determined, but I'm not so cynical to dismiss all print reviews. Don't fool yourself, you know P4K is little different. That being said, I trust the writers for the most part. Good people write for Spin, RS, and Blender.

Also, don't you think it would be just as easy for them to rip into a major album like this to get notice? It's not like the last REM album was well received.
chocothunder
I wasn't a fan of "I'm Gonna DJ," either (though I'm not going to judge the whole album on one song, which I heard is well under two minutes long and is more of an outro than a song on Accelerate).

"Horse to Water" is a good rocker and I'm glad they chose to include it (they still haven't found a place for "Weatherman," which I hope turns up on an album someday). Just heard "Supernatural Superserious" on the radio and I think it's even better than when I first heard it. Any word yet on when tickets for their upcoming tour go on sale?
Sickpup
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QUOTE(Sickpup @ Feb 23 2008, 04:41 PM) [snapback]586798[/snapback]
And does anyone seriously believe what any of those major magazines say about big records anymore?

I'm convinced the editorial staff decides in advance what they're going to give the record (4.5 or 5 stars) and then just assigns it to the first writer who agrees that it lives up to that rating.


Rolling Stone's stars seem arbitrary/pre-determined, but I'm not so cynical to dismiss all print reviews. Don't fool yourself, you know P4K is little different. That being said, I trust the writers for the most part. Good people write for Spin, RS, and Blender.

Also, don't you think it would be just as easy for them to rip into a major album like this to get notice? It's not like the last REM album was well received.


P4K is a different animal.

But I absolutely believe there's serious editorial involvement in the ratings for MAJOR records. I'm not so cynical to think that editors are looking over the shoulders of writers on every review, but I bet there are broader discussions about ratings for an album as huge as a new one from REM. Those reviews are typically teased on the front cover and can absolutely affect sales.

And most fans don't pick up a magazine that rips on their favorite band. It's not about getting noticed. It's about $$.
Sickpup
http://www.metacritic.com/music/artists/rem/reveal

P4K, VV, and Blender were really the only pubs to call the last one a spade.
BobtheSquid
QUOTE(Sickpup @ Feb 23 2008, 03:52 PM) [snapback]586809[/snapback]
http://www.metacritic.com/music/artists/rem/reveal

P4K, VV, and Blender were really the only pubs to call the last one a spade.


That's not the last one.
r.i.p.
Right, but how do you explain the last few REM releases then? Aside from Uncut, they've received little love in reviews.

Music magazines have more then just the reviews to lure readers and fans too. The features hook the fans. For example, the new Spin has a good interview with Malkmus, but they're not into the record.

I certainly don't think Spin or Rolling Stone are in serious danger of losing readers by giving REM 3/5 or 2.5/5. Reviews matter so little these days, as the listener can sample so readily for free. PR agents want faces on the cover and nice photo spreads more than a high rated 200 word review.
Sickpup
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QUOTE(Sickpup @ Feb 23 2008, 03:52 PM) [snapback]586809[/snapback]
http://www.metacritic.com/music/artists/rem/reveal

P4K, VV, and Blender were really the only pubs to call the last one a spade.


That's not the last one.


My condolences that you're aware of that.
Sickpup
QUOTE(brent_D @ Feb 23 2008, 06:56 PM) [snapback]586813[/snapback]
Right, but how do you explain the last few REM releases then? Aside from Uncut, they've received little love in reviews.

Music magazines have more then just the reviews to lure readers and fans too. The features hook the fans. For example, the new Spin has a good interview with Malkmus, but they're not into the record.

I certainly don't think Spin or Rolling Stone are in serious danger of losing readers by giving REM 3/5 or 2.5/5. Reviews matter so little these days, as the listener can sample so readily for free. PR agents want faces on the cover and nice photo spreads more than a high rated 200 word review.


It's not that they're in danger of losing subscribers over a bad review. It's the risk to newsstand sales, which can make a HUGE difference month to month.

I mean, a band like REM, which we'll say conservatively, at this point, has 2 million fans in the US, if even a small fraction, say 5% of them are both rabid and moved enough by the cover teaser to purchase the magazine at a cover price of $4.50, that's $450,000 in revenue.

not small change.
tjenz
QUOTE(Sickpup @ Feb 23 2008, 04:41 PM) [snapback]586798[/snapback]
And does anyone seriously believe what any of those major magazines say about big records anymore?

I'm convinced the editorial staff decides in advance what they're going to give the record (4.5 or 5 stars) and then just assigns it to the first writer who agrees that it lives up to that rating.

QUOTE
NEW YORK - The Black Crowes are lashing out at Maxim magazine for reviewing the band’s new album — apparently without actually hearing it first.

The review, published in Maxim’s March issue, gives the Crowes’ “Warpaint” a rating of two-and-a-half stars out of five.

“The writer — who has not heard the album since advance CDs were not made available — wrote what appears to be a disparaging assessment anyway, citing, ‘it hasn’t left Chris Robinson and the gang much room for growth,”’ said a statement on the band’s official Web site.

The band’s manager, Pete Angelus, said the magazine explained that its review an “educated guess.”

“It speaks directly to the lack of the publication’s credibility,” Angelus said in a statement. “In my opinion, it’s a disgrace to the arts, journalism, critics, the publication itself and the public. What’s next — Maxim’s concert reviews of shows they never attended, book reviews of books never read and film reviews of films never seen?”



A representative for the magazine would not confirm or deny to The Associated Press whether the writer actually listened to the album. Instead, Maxim released this statement in response: “Maxim will continue to provide our readers with information that is important to them, whether it is about fashion, lifestyle, technology, music, movies and more.”

“Warpaint,” the band’s first album in seven years, is set for release March 4. The blues-rock group, fronted Chris Robinson, has released only one song from the disc, “Goodbye Daughters of the Revolution.”
solace
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QUOTE(BobtheSquid @ Feb 23 2008, 06:54 PM) [snapback]586810[/snapback]
QUOTE(Sickpup @ Feb 23 2008, 03:52 PM) [snapback]586809[/snapback]
http://www.metacritic.com/music/artists/rem/reveal

P4K, VV, and Blender were really the only pubs to call the last one a spade.


That's not the last one.


My condolences that you're aware of that.

well, regardless... as was pointed out:

http://www.metacritic.com/music/artists/re...und%20the%20sun

was their last record, which was widely panned (more often than not)

and while Reveal is far from great, Around The Sun is WAY way worse and has hardly any redeeming songs.
r.i.p.
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QUOTE(brent_D @ Feb 23 2008, 06:56 PM) [snapback]586813[/snapback]
Right, but how do you explain the last few REM releases then? Aside from Uncut, they've received little love in reviews.

Music magazines have more then just the reviews to lure readers and fans too. The features hook the fans. For example, the new Spin has a good interview with Malkmus, but they're not into the record.

I certainly don't think Spin or Rolling Stone are in serious danger of losing readers by giving REM 3/5 or 2.5/5. Reviews matter so little these days, as the listener can sample so readily for free. PR agents want faces on the cover and nice photo spreads more than a high rated 200 word review.


It's not that they're in danger of losing subscribers over a bad review. It's the risk to newsstand sales, which can make a HUGE difference month to month.

I mean, a band like REM, which we'll say conservatively, at this point, has 2 million fans in the US, if even a small fraction, say 5% of them are both rabid and moved enough by the cover teaser to purchase the magazine at a cover price of $4.50, that's $450,000 in revenue.

not small change.


Magazines make little money from newsstand sales. It's all about getting subscriptions and ads. Trust me, I know how the world's largest newsstand operates (I used to work for them), and it's all about circulation, not physical sales. Dirty secret: Stealing the magazine counts the same as buying it.

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QUOTE(Sickpup @ Feb 23 2008, 04:41 PM) [snapback]586798[/snapback]
And does anyone seriously believe what any of those major magazines say about big records anymore?

I'm convinced the editorial staff decides in advance what they're going to give the record (4.5 or 5 stars) and then just assigns it to the first writer who agrees that it lives up to that rating.

QUOTE
NEW YORK - The Black Crowes are lashing out at Maxim magazine for reviewing the band’s new album — apparently without actually hearing it first.

The review, published in Maxim’s March issue, gives the Crowes’ “Warpaint” a rating of two-and-a-half stars out of five.

“The writer — who has not heard the album since advance CDs were not made available — wrote what appears to be a disparaging assessment anyway, citing, ‘it hasn’t left Chris Robinson and the gang much room for growth,”’ said a statement on the band’s official Web site.

The band’s manager, Pete Angelus, said the magazine explained that its review an “educated guess.”

“It speaks directly to the lack of the publication’s credibility,” Angelus said in a statement. “In my opinion, it’s a disgrace to the arts, journalism, critics, the publication itself and the public. What’s next — Maxim’s concert reviews of shows they never attended, book reviews of books never read and film reviews of films never seen?”



A representative for the magazine would not confirm or deny to The Associated Press whether the writer actually listened to the album. Instead, Maxim released this statement in response: “Maxim will continue to provide our readers with information that is important to them, whether it is about fashion, lifestyle, technology, music, movies and more.”

“Warpaint,” the band’s first album in seven years, is set for release March 4. The blues-rock group, fronted Chris Robinson, has released only one song from the disc, “Goodbye Daughters of the Revolution.”



Yeah, that's not a music magazine. The give like 5 records 3 sentence reviews. Besides, they're right.
solace
these days magazines make NOTHING from newsstands, and many even LOSE money, no matter how many subscribers. Brent is right, it's all about ad $$.
Sickpup
I won't dispute that the top priorities at any magazine are subscriptions and ad dollars, but it would be foolish to say that they disregard newsstand sales. no good business EVER disregards a source of revenue and how that's impacted by editorial decisions.

I would be curious what percentage of sales in a given year are from newsstand vs. subscription for pubs like Rolling Stone and SPIN.
r.i.p.
Seriously, I don't think they care. Publishers spend $20,000 to get their issues on a B&N feature display. It's all about just getting the quantity out there. They just want people to pick up the magazine and look at it. Which is why they track circulation, not sales.
Sickpup
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Which is why they track circulation, not sales.


trust me, at HQ, they're tracking sales and profit.

also, forget about B&N. think about how much they're selling just at airports on a monthly basis.
r.i.p.
Anyway, back to the point at hand: I don't think you'd be arguing this if it was a band you liked. It certainly does reek of a written statement now that the party line keeps reporting: "REM is back!" But do you really think bands or labels have the power or money to sway writers that much? Stereogum said the same thing. What interest do they have in it? Is it so hard to believe that REM might have made a good record?
petras
QUOTE(brent_D @ Feb 23 2008, 06:56 PM) [snapback]586853[/snapback]
Stereogum said the same thing. What interest do they have in it? Is it so hard to believe that REM might have made a good record?



I'm pretty sure stereogum was purchased by Warner Brothers records awhile back. I know they've got some kind of affiliation....and they pimped the shit out of the R.E.M. live record/dvd.

But for the most part I think it's very possible this record is good. Most of the reviews from the 2 listening parties in NY and LA have been positive. I feel pretty confident that this record will be better then Reveal and Around the Sun. Will it be on par with their classics? Doubtfull.....but will it be the complete crap that Around the sun was? I really don't think so.
Sickpup
QUOTE(brent_D @ Feb 23 2008, 07:56 PM) [snapback]586853[/snapback]
Is it so hard to believe that REM might have made a good record?


based on their track record this decade, yes.
Elia Isquire
At heart, this is a debate about anti-Semitism.
HandBanana
Shut it, Hymie!
r.i.p.
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QUOTE(brent_D @ Feb 23 2008, 07:56 PM) [snapback]586853[/snapback]
Is it so hard to believe that REM might have made a good record?


based on their track record this decade, yes.


I disagree. For one, they haven't made a record of this sort. Secondly, they've shown the ability to write great songs. I prefer 'Bad Day' and 'Imitation of Life' to most of their '90s stuff. They've had good songs, but the main problem has been execution in the studio. Stuff like "The Lifting" was great live, but too slowed and dried on tape. And the band has made great records in the past. I'm not one to believe that people can't come around and get things right. It took them a critical drubbing to get a little uncomfortable and scrap.
tjenz
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I disagree. For one, they haven't made a record of this sort. Secondly, they've shown the ability to write great songs. I prefer 'Bad Day' and 'Imitation of Life' to most of their '90s stuff. They've had good songs, but the main problem has been execution in the studio. Stuff like "The Lifting" was great live, but too slowed and dried on tape. And the band has made great records in the past. I'm not one to believe that people can't come around and get things right. It took them a critical drubbing to get a little uncomfortable and scrap.

I'm pretty sure that "Bad Day" is a leftover from the 80's
HandBanana
TJENZ speak da double truth, Ruth.

However, I rememeber seeing "Great Beyond" premiered on the Summer 99 tour and thought "Man this is a great fucking song"

then what gets released?

A swampy, sloggy version of that song. Its not even like it was slowed down. The entire song feels like it wants to go faster but for being restrained.

I can go even further back too.

"Wake Up Bomb" in 1995. Then NAIHF comes out and it gets neutered.

They seem to always do this.

OLDEST case in point: the dickless "Radio Free Europe" that made it on to Murmur.


I love you guys, but would it have killed you to have called Bob Rock at some point? At least for the drum sound?
HandBanana
Dont get all excited, Im just posting another rave review of this record, which I assume is never ever going to leak....


http://harpmagazine.com/news/detail.cfm?article=12351



With the earwax-cleaning Accelerate finally in stores, though, the guys just might have the last laugh. R.E.M.’s finally woken from its post-millennial nap and is ready to stomp the pedal and go for the redline. The band’s like a goddam white tornado here—stronger than dirt, to boot
HandBanana
REM REBORN



http://www.telegraph.co.uk/arts/main.jhtml...08/sm_rem08.xml
BobtheSquid
You do realize, don't you, that posting all these hyperbolic early reviews will only make the new album suck that much harder when it finally surfaces?
chocothunder
For me, if it sucks it won't be because I am expecting another Reckoning or Lifes Rich Pageant. I am glad the reviews are positive, but I don't want my expectations to be too high. "Good" is good enough for me.
petras
Damn this thread all to hell, it's such a farking tease to see this thread on the frontpage and then no leak.
HandBanana
Nope, still not the leak, BUT you can preorder the vinyl now ($28.99 ouch!)

http://www.insound.com/R.E.M._Accelerate_P...ain/p/INS42189/
Angrimorfee
(www.allaccess.com)
"Report: R.E.M. Debuting Album On Facebook App iLike

Accelerate Reportedly Debuting On iLike
R.E.M. will debut "Accelerate," its newest album, via music site/FACEBOOL app ILIKE starting MARCH 24th, reports SILICON ALLEY INSIDER. WARNER MUSIC GROUP (WMG) won't start selling the album till APRIL 1st.

Plenty of bands have offered free streaming previews of their music before, but they're generally done through bigger outlets with more corporate backing. This is a nice belt-notch for ILIKE, which is in a bit of a push/pull with FACEBOOK over who's going to dominate that network's music offerings."
HandBanana


On Thursday, March 13th at 9PM, Dave92.9fm presents:
"R.E.M. An Inside Look At Accelerate."

It is a 1 hour radio special featuring an interview with the band and previewing songs off of the new record.

Time is 9PM (R.E.M. Athens time) or GMT-5.

You can listen live by going to www.Z93.com



I propose a live SOMBIE listening party for this.
That would be Thursday night at 8pm your time, 6pm out here.
Rob Gordon
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On Thursday, March 13th at 9PM, Dave92.9fm presents:
"R.E.M. An Inside Look At Accelerate."

It is a 1 hour radio special featuring an interview with the band and previewing songs off of the new record.

Time is 9PM (R.E.M. Athens time) or GMT-5.

You can listen live by going to www.Z93.com



I propose a live SOMBIE listening party for this.
That would be Thursday night at 8pm your time, 6pm out here.



Better yet, looks like NPR is going to carry their live show from SXSW tomorrow night.
read here
HandBanana
Metafilter says they are on npr right now but it wont connect for me

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.p...toryId=87923295
HandBanana
Works now.

REM are on in THREE HOURS tho.
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