MattDrufke
Dec 12 2007, 06:10 PM
The biggest news in baseball, possibly in all of sports this year. This is from espn.com...
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Since former Senator George Mitchell launched his investigation into baseball's steroid past 18 months ago, the big questions have been whether the final report would name names, and how many names would be named, and how important the names would be.
Some officials came away from a 30-team Major League Baseball conference call held mid-day Friday with the understanding that the forthcoming Mitchell report would include many names; names which have so far not been disclosed publicly; and the names of well-known players.
According to those familiar with the conference call, Tom Carlucci, a lawyer for MLB, told the team representatives on the conference call that the report is going to be "salacious."
Said one source familiar with what was said on the conference call, "This is going to be enormous ... it's going to be a huge story when these names come out."
Carlucci, part of the San Francisco-based firm of Foley and Lardner, indicated on the call, according to sources, that the report would come down sometime between the conclusion of the World Series and the beginning of the new year.
MLB vice president Rob Manfred downplayed the significance of what was said on the call, saying that Carlucci is not even in a position to know specifically what has been generated by the Mitchell investigation. What Carlucci told the clubs, Manfred said, was that for their planning purposes, they should assume that the number of players who will be named will be "more than a handful."
"No one except Senator Mitchell's people know for sure whether there's going to be names named and how many names are involved and who those names are," Manfred said.
Mitchell issued a statement that did not go into specifics.
"The investigation has not been completed, and no decisions have been made about any aspect of the report," he said.
There were questions from club officials about whether individual teams would be given an opportunity to review the report for accuracy, according to sources, and the response was that teams will probably not be allowed to respond to the Mitchell report before its release.
Don Fehr, the executive director of the Players Association, said that he had no idea what was said on the conference call, but added, "It is my understanding that no such decisions have been made, of written conclusions, or anything like that... There's only one person who knows the answers to that."
Fehr was referring, of course, to George Mitchell.
There has been great concern among some agents, players and management officials about the implications of guilt that will be attached to any name contained within the report. They also have questions about the standards of proof the Mitchell investigators will apply before a player's name is included in the report.
The consensus among them is that Mitchell and his investigators are in a position to broadly define those standards for themselves.
"If Senator Mitchell has a list of players who were on the mailing list of a pharmaceutical company," said one agent, "I don't know what can stop him from putting that in his report."
Commissioner Bud Selig, meanwhile, said he wasn't worried about Mitchell's findings.
"None of us know what's in that thing," Selig said at the NL championship series in Phoenix. "There's nothing to be afraid of. Whatever comes out comes out. I have no concern."
Albany County District Attorney David Soares, whose own investigation aimed to shut down a major supply line of illegal prescription drugs and "was never about cleaning up sports," has met with representatives from the Mitchell Commission.
The New York Times reported last month that the names of 10 more baseball players turned up on a list of clients at the Florida pharmacy at the center of Soares' investigation into illegal steroid sales.
Heather Orth, a spokeswoman for Soares, said Thursday she was not sure exactly what information had been turned over to Major League Baseball but said the DA's office has not given the league a list of players.
RadioHitchcock
Dec 12 2007, 07:20 PM
do you think the speculation that tejada might be on that list is why the trade went through today?
does your trade value decrease if you are on that list, probably yes.
Hips
Dec 12 2007, 07:30 PM
without_opinion
Dec 12 2007, 07:47 PM
shit, i'm afraid MY name might even be on that list
forgo
Dec 12 2007, 07:51 PM
salacious is pretty much one of the best words in the english language.
no magnets
Dec 12 2007, 07:54 PM
QUOTE(kmac @ Dec 12 2007, 06:47 PM) [snapback]528511[/snapback]
shit, i'm afraid MY name might even be on that list
considering that an estimated 60 to 80 major league players out of about 4200 in the time frame being investigated will be named, you've got nothing to worry about. in fact, i don't think most major leaguers are worried about it at this point with that news.
b17yoe
Dec 12 2007, 10:16 PM
QUOTE(kmac @ Dec 12 2007, 07:47 PM) [snapback]528511[/snapback]
shit, i'm afraid MY name might even be on that list
You
were bragging about how fast you run.....
Angrimorfee
Dec 13 2007, 09:24 AM
I thought our Mr. Sterling had something important up his sleeve. Eh well.
ParticleHustler
Dec 13 2007, 09:34 AM
QUOTE(RadioHitchcock @ Dec 12 2007, 07:20 PM) [snapback]528486[/snapback]
do you think the speculation that tejada might be on that list is why the trade went through today?
does your trade value decrease if you are on that list, probably yes.
I had the same thought, although I don't think his trade value would decrease unless there was evidence he was still doing it. The teams don't care, they just want the production. The reason why I think it went through before the report came out was to protect Houston from getting publicly slammed for making the trade AFTER it becomes public knowledge. At least now they can say they didn't know before the trade went through.
Bottom line, both teams wanted the deal to happen, so they pushed it through quickly to help both teams deal with the anticipated fallout over the report.
Nick
Dec 13 2007, 09:39 AM
Here's my reaction: "Don Fehr and the Player's Association can fuck right off".
ParticleHustler
Dec 13 2007, 10:01 AM
I'm going to guess that Clemens name is in there, and possibly Frank Thomas. Tejada for sure. A number of mid-90s Rangers and Orioles. It wouldn't shock me to see John Smoltz named either, although I love the guy and hope he's not. I'm just thinking about the timing of his injury that forced him into the closer's role, and how easy it would have been for him to use HGH to help him like Byrd and others apparently did.
Bob Loblaw
Dec 13 2007, 10:04 AM
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QUOTE(RadioHitchcock @ Dec 12 2007, 07:20 PM) [snapback]528486[/snapback]
do you think the speculation that tejada might be on that list is why the trade went through today?
does your trade value decrease if you are on that list, probably yes.
I had the same thought, although I don't think his trade value would decrease unless there was evidence he was still doing it. The teams don't care, they just want the production. The reason why I think it went through before the report came out was to protect Houston from getting publicly slammed for making the trade AFTER it becomes public knowledge. At least now they can say they didn't know before the trade went through.
Bottom line, both teams wanted the deal to happen, so they pushed it through quickly to help both teams deal with the anticipated fallout over the report.
There is evidence against Tejada. His stats.
Tejada's Juice StandHis HR totals and Slugging % have decreased every year since 2004. From 2000-04 he averaged 120 RBI a year, hitting 150 RBI in '04. Over the last three years he hasn't had more than 100 in a season, averaging about 90 a year. He might not be on that list, but he was juicing.
As a Tigers fan, I am worried about how seeing Pudge and Sheff on this list, and how that might affect the upcoming World Series Championship season. There's no way those two are absent from this list, I just hope they're the only ones.
Any guesses on who the surprise guests on this list will be?
Dr. Johnny Fever
Dec 13 2007, 10:05 AM
QUOTE(ParticleHustler @ Dec 13 2007, 10:01 AM) [snapback]528910[/snapback]
I'm going to guess that Clemens name is in there, and possibly Frank Thomas. Tejada for sure. A number of mid-90s Rangers and Orioles. It wouldn't shock me to see John Smoltz named either, although I love the guy and hope he's not. I'm just thinking about the timing of his injury that forced him into the closer's role, and how easy it would have been for him to use HGH to help him like Byrd and others apparently did.
mlbtraderumors says that there will be several Yankees named though Jeter and Rivera won't be among them. I'm guessing every team will probably have at least 1 name tied to them somehow.
Also, do we know if the Mitchell Report is focusing on HGH, or is it just steroids?
Bob Loblaw
Dec 13 2007, 10:07 AM
QUOTE(ParticleHustler @ Dec 13 2007, 10:01 AM) [snapback]528910[/snapback]
I'm going to guess that Clemens name is in there, and possibly Frank Thomas. Tejada for sure. A number of mid-90s Rangers and Orioles. It wouldn't shock me to see John Smoltz named either, although I love the guy and hope he's not. I'm just thinking about the timing of his injury that forced him into the closer's role, and how easy it would have been for him to use HGH to help him like Byrd and others apparently did.
Why do think Big Hurt will be on there? Because of his big comeback year with Oakland? He and Thome are two power hitters I never suspected of roiding, because they were both naturally big guys who never put up extreme powers, but consistently hit about 40 a year.
I really hope Smoltz's name isn't on there, he's one of my favorite players. But if Byrd did it, anyone's suspect.
NumberTenOx
Dec 13 2007, 10:15 AM
I'm looking for George Mitchell's name. I'm pretty sure he's one of the key figures in this report.
ParticleHustler
Dec 13 2007, 10:17 AM
The only reason I mention Thomas is the reference to MVPs and guys who are likely to come up for HoF consideration. I don't think I've heard anything about him juicing, but who knows. Really, I think what a lot of people are missing here is that most of the guys using are doing it to help them heal from injuries, as opposed to trying to bulk up. Marvin Benard is an obvious example of someone who used in the right time period and whose HRs increased, but guys like Ankiel, Byrd, etc., all seem to be using to help them heal from injuries.
And if the report doesn't discuss HGH, it will be a complete and utter joke. In fact, most people knowledgeable about this stuff will tell you that focusing on "steroids" is a joke, because most users are well past steroids and onto the next PEDs.
ParticleHustler
Dec 13 2007, 10:20 AM
QUOTE(Bob Loblaw @ Dec 13 2007, 10:04 AM) [snapback]528913[/snapback]
As a Tigers fan, I am worried about how seeing Pudge and Sheff on this list, and how that might affect the upcoming World Series Championship season. There's no way those two are absent from this list, I just hope they're the only ones.
Any guesses on who the surprise guests on this list will be?
Nobody is going to care in a year. These guys likely haven't used for a couple of years. The report is going to focus on history, most likely 2001-2004 or so. The guys with ties to 2005 (like the Guillen and the other guy who got suspended) will get that same 15 day suspension (which is what the penalty was in place back then for a second positive test). I'll be shocked if he uncovers evidence of currently-using players.
Besides, Pudge and Sheffield are widely known to have been "outed".
NumberTenOx
Dec 13 2007, 10:21 AM
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The only reason I mention Thomas is the reference to MVPs and guys who are likely to come up for HoF consideration. I don't think I've heard anything about him juicing, but who knows.
I've never seen a Frank Thomas rookie card. Didn't he play football or basketball when he was in college, as well as baseball? Was he the size of a house then?
Bob Loblaw
Dec 13 2007, 10:28 AM
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QUOTE(Bob Loblaw @ Dec 13 2007, 10:04 AM) [snapback]528913[/snapback]
As a Tigers fan, I am worried about how seeing Pudge and Sheff on this list, and how that might affect the upcoming World Series Championship season. There's no way those two are absent from this list, I just hope they're the only ones.
Any guesses on who the surprise guests on this list will be?
Nobody is going to care in a year. These guys likely haven't used for a couple of years. The report is going to focus on history, most likely 2001-2004 or so. The guys with ties to 2005 (like the Guillen and the other guy who got suspended) will get that same 15 day suspension (which is what the penalty was in place back then for a second positive test). I'll be shocked if he uncovers evidence of currently-using players.
Besides, Pudge and Sheffield are widely known to have been "outed".
I agree with all that. Just very nervous about anything disrupting the clubhouse, but I suppose every team and fanbase is nervously awaiting the report.
And yeah, I'm sure HGH is going to be on there as well as roids. Still doubt Big Hurt shows up on this list though. I think the former MVPs and possible HOFers on the list may not extend beyond the obvious, with Bonds, Sosa, Caminiti, Juan Gonzalez, Pudge, Giambi and Tejada.
Here's a couple names that could be on there that would be huge topics of discussion: Pujols and Griffey. Neither would really surprise me. Griffey has had so many injuries that HGH would have really helped him, and Pujols has already been linked to the Grimsley investigation.
Slackmo
Dec 13 2007, 10:30 AM
All I'm hoping for is tons of pitchers to be on the list.
KaBoom21
Dec 13 2007, 10:32 AM
I think Thomas was a tight end at Auburn - not sure if he ever played.
I seriously doubt Thomas is involved. He's been pretty outspoken about this topic and joked about how if anyone has seen his sisters before, they would realize size runs in the family.
sin city
Dec 13 2007, 10:37 AM
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I think Thomas was a tight end at Auburn - not sure if he ever played.
I seriously doubt Thomas is involved. He's been pretty outspoken about this topic and joked about how if anyone has seen his sisters before, they would realize size runs in the family.
Thomas is clean- Guy's naturally huge and has a history of slow recovering injuries...
elc
Dec 13 2007, 10:43 AM
I'm rooting for Carlton Fisk to show up on the list. And Roger Clemens. And Randy Johnson. I'd also like to see Derek Jeter on this list. And Jeff Kent.
Actually I don't really care.
helmet52
Dec 13 2007, 10:49 AM
QUOTE(Slackmo @ Dec 13 2007, 11:30 AM) [snapback]528951[/snapback]
All I'm hoping for is tons of pitchers to be on the list.
I have a feeling this will be the case. I'm hoping to see Clemens, Prior, Fahrnsworth, and Gagne all on it.
Dag Nasty
Dec 13 2007, 10:56 AM
So much to take in...dizzying, isn't it? The hearsay and the innuendo and suspicions and all that.
Sheff & Pudge juiced - Sheff got caught ("clear" & "cream" remember) and Pudge, the spring training after MLB's first doping tests were in place, immediately dropped almost 30 lbs of bulk before telling media "Thin is in".
I would very literally be shocked if Thomas' name surfaced. First off, he's always been a hulking figure - from his football days to the bigs. More tellingly, he was all but gagged & bound by the MLBPA when, in the mid 90's, he publicly begged his locker room to be piss tested then & there. Remember that? He was whistle blowing a year or two before the Sosa (doped) & McGwire (doped) Summer of '98.
It doesn't do any good to contribute to the witch hunt but it's hard not to. I'm inclined to agree a number of pitchers names will appear. I don't want to say I'm 'hoping' anybody's name will be on there but I really would like to think having the stink of this embarassment might deter some players from meddling with the stuff....
NumberTenOx
Dec 13 2007, 10:56 AM
And after the report is issued, what then?
I'm guessing outrage, followed by less outrage, followed by Frank DeFord's commentary, followed by possible record book revision, followed by nothing.
Bob Loblaw
Dec 13 2007, 11:13 AM
QUOTE(Alan @ Dec 13 2007, 10:56 AM) [snapback]528973[/snapback]
So much to take in...dizzying, isn't it? The hearsay and the innuendo and suspicions and all that.
Sheff & Pudge juiced - Sheff got caught ("clear" & "cream" remember) and Pudge, the spring training after MLB's first doping tests were in place, immediately dropped almost 30 lbs of bulk before telling media "Thin is in".
I would very literally be shocked if Thomas' name surfaced. First off, he's always been a hulking figure - from his football days to the bigs. More tellingly, he was all but gagged & bound by the MLBPA when, in the mid 90's, he publicly begged his locker room to be piss tested then & there. Remember that? He was whistle blowing a year or two before the Sosa (doped) & McGwire (doped) Summer of '98.
It doesn't do any good to contribute to the witch hunt but it's hard not to. I'm inclined to agree a number of pitchers names will appear. I don't want to say I'm 'hoping' anybody's name will be on there but I really would like to think having the stink of this embarassment might deter some players from meddling with the stuff....
If this report literally shocks you, Bud Selig has more power than I thought.
Dr. Johnny Fever
Dec 13 2007, 11:15 AM
QUOTE(NumberTenOx @ Dec 13 2007, 10:56 AM) [snapback]528974[/snapback]
And after the report is issued, what then?
I'm guessing outrage, followed by less outrage, followed by Frank DeFord's commentary, followed by discussion of possible record book revision, followed by nothing.
Fixed
Bob Loblaw
Dec 13 2007, 11:15 AM
QUOTE(elcorazon @ Dec 13 2007, 10:43 AM) [snapback]528963[/snapback]
I'm rooting for Carlton Fisk to show up on the list. And Roger Clemens. And Randy Johnson. I'd also like to see Derek Jeter on this list. And Jeff Kent.
Actually I don't really care.
Carlton Fisk? Wow, that's a name I have never heard mentioned with this mess.
But yeah, the other two would be nice to see. Along with Kent. And if somehow Jeter's name made it, that would be the biggest subplot of the entire story.
If I could put one name on this list, it would be A-Rod.
Slackmo
Dec 13 2007, 11:16 AM
Dag Nasty
Dec 13 2007, 11:18 AM
If Frank Thomas is linked to using any sort of performance enhancing drug, I won't be the only one shocked. And I loathe him & his old team.
Anyway, leaks are spouting - Clemens is rumored to be the first big name - this is from foxsports.com:
The first name to emerge Thursday was seven-time Cy Young Award winner Roger Clemens.
ESPN.com reported that Brian McNamee, a former trainer for the Yankees and Clemens, said information he gave Mitchell on supplying the pitcher with steroids is in the report. The Web site, citing an unidentified source close to the trainer, said McNamee told investigators he supplied Clemens with steroids.
Randy Hendricks, Clemens' agent, did not immediately return a message seeking comment.
Mitchell's report exposes a "serious drug culture within baseball, from top to bottom," fingers MVPs and All-Stars and calls for beefed-up testing by an outside agency to clean up the game, The Associated Press learned.
The report by former Senate Majority Leader George Mitchell will include names of 60 to 80 players linked to performance-enhancing substances and plenty more information that exposes "deep problems" afflicting the sport, one of two sources with knowledge of the findings told the AP. Both sources said the report would not address amphetamines.
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helmet52
Dec 13 2007, 11:21 AM
Here's the list that is circulating around the New York financial markets this morning. I make no claim to its legitimacy, but this list is flying around everywhere. I'm just going to cut and paste it.
"Brady Anderson, Manny Alexander, Rick Ankiel, Jeff Bagwell, Barry Bonds, Aaron Boone, Rafaeil Bettancourt, Bret Boone,
Milton Bradley, David Bell, Dante Bichette, Albert Belle, Paul Byrd,
Wil Cordero, Ken Caminiti, Mike Cameron, Ramon Castro, Jose and Ozzie Canseco,
Roger Clemens, Paxton Crawford, Wilson Delgado, Lenny
Dykstra, Johnny Damon, Carl Everett, Kyle Farnsoworth,
Ryan Franklin, Troy Glaus, Rich Garces, Jason Grimsley, Troy Glaus,
Juan Gonzalez, Eric Gagne, Nomar Garciaparra, Jason Giambi, Jeremy
Giambi,
(9:54:45 AM) : Jose Guillen, Jay Gibbons, Juan Gonzalez,
Clay Hensley, Jerry Hairston, Felix Heredia, Jr., Darren
Holmes, Wally Joyner, Darryl Kile, Matt Lawton, Raul Mondesi,
Mark McGwire, Guillermo Mota, Robert Machado, Damian Moss, Abraham Nunez,
Trot Nixon, Jose Offerman, Andy Pettitte, Mark Prior,Neifi Perez,
Rafael Palmiero, Albert Pujols, Brian Roberts, Juan Rincon, John Rocker, Pudge Rodriguez, Sammy Sosa,
Scott Schoenweiis, David Segui, Alex Sanchez, Gary Sheffield, Miguel
Tejada, Julian Tavarez,Fernando Tatis, Maurice Vaughn, Jason
Varitek, Ismael Valdez, Matt Williams and Kerry Wood.
Sam
Dec 13 2007, 11:25 AM
Is anyone really surprised that Clemens is rumored to be on the list?
People ripped Bonds for how his body changed and how his performance continued into his late 30's and early 40's. The same criticism could (hell, should) have been levelled against Clemens for the exact same issues. The guy posted an ERA of 1.84 when he was 42/43 years old for chrissakes. I have no problem with the Bonds criticism, but I always wondered by Clemens avoided the same treatment.
And not to mention, there was a fair amount of speculation that Clemens' first delayed season (2006) was more about him sitting out due to steroid related issues than aribitration issues between him and the Astros during the offseason.
Other than players who have been confirmed to have uses HGH or steroids like Juan Rincon or Paul Byrd, or guys who have been suspects for years like Bonds, Sheff, McGwire, Palmeiro, etc., Clemens would have been the #1 guy I would have picked to show up.
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Edit: If that speculated list is accurate, only 1 Twin (Juan Rincon) and we already knew about that. I'm sure Matt Lawton did it when he played for the Indians or Cubs, hahhaa/
no magnets
Dec 13 2007, 11:28 AM
rich garces?! el guapo! haha.
no magnets
Dec 13 2007, 11:30 AM
QUOTE(Sam @ Dec 13 2007, 10:25 AM) [snapback]529015[/snapback]
And not to mention, there was a fair amount of speculation that Clemens' first delayed season (2006) was more about him sitting out due to steroid related issues than aribitration issues between him and the Astros during the offseason.
yeah, just like jordan "retired" the first time because he was suspended for gambling.
Dr. Johnny Fever
Dec 13 2007, 11:30 AM
QUOTE(helmet52 @ Dec 13 2007, 11:21 AM) [snapback]529011[/snapback]
Here's the list that is circulating around the New York financial markets this morning. I make no claim to its legitimacy, but this list is flying around everywhere. I'm just going to cut and paste it.
"Brady Anderson, Manny Alexander, Rick Ankiel, Jeff Bagwell, Barry Bonds, Aaron Boone, Rafaeil Bettancourt, Bret Boone,
Milton Bradley, David Bell, Dante Bichette, Albert Belle, Paul Byrd,
Wil Cordero, Ken Caminiti, Mike Cameron, Ramon Castro, Jose and Ozzie Canseco,
Roger Clemens, Paxton Crawford, Wilson Delgado, Lenny
Dykstra, Johnny Damon, Carl Everett, Kyle Farnsoworth,
Ryan Franklin, Troy Glaus, Rich Garces, Jason Grimsley, Troy Glaus,
Juan Gonzalez, Eric Gagne, Nomar Garciaparra, Jason Giambi, Jeremy
Giambi,
(9:54:45 AM) : Jose Guillen, Jay Gibbons, Juan Gonzalez,
Clay Hensley, Jerry Hairston, Felix Heredia, Jr., Darren
Holmes, Wally Joyner, Darryl Kile, Matt Lawton, Raul Mondesi,
Mark McGwire, Guillermo Mota, Robert Machado, Damian Moss, Abraham Nunez,
Trot Nixon, Jose Offerman, Andy Pettitte, Mark Prior,Neifi Perez,
Rafael Palmiero, Albert Pujols, Brian Roberts, Juan Rincon, John Rocker, Pudge Rodriguez, Sammy Sosa,
Scott Schoenweiis, David Segui, Alex Sanchez, Gary Sheffield, Miguel
Tejada, Julian Tavarez,Fernando Tatis, Maurice Vaughn, Jason
Varitek, Ismael Valdez, Matt Williams and Kerry Wood.
I just saw this too. Seems pretty reasonable that most of these folks will be on the list regardless of its veracity. Though Juan Gonzalez is listed twice. Only surprised not to see Thome's name there.
elc
Dec 13 2007, 11:31 AM
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QUOTE(elcorazon @ Dec 13 2007, 10:43 AM) [snapback]528963[/snapback]
I'm rooting for Carlton Fisk to show up on the list. And Roger Clemens. And Randy Johnson. I'd also like to see Derek Jeter on this list. And Jeff Kent.
Actually I don't really care.
Carlton Fisk? Wow, that's a name I have never heard mentioned with this mess.
But yeah, the other two would be nice to see. Along with Kent. And if somehow Jeter's name made it, that would be the biggest subplot of the entire story.
If I could put one name on this list, it would be A-Rod.
I've hated Carlton Fisk for a long time. I'm sure he's not on the list. But why not root for it. I'd also like to see Pete Rose's name on this list. That'd be really funny.
most odd thing about that list is that Barry Bonds is not on it. Neither is Sosa. I'd be quite happy if Bonds turns out not to be on that list, actually.
helmet52
Dec 13 2007, 11:32 AM
Pujols on that list could be fairly significant for baseball.
Didn't Darrel Kile mysteriously die in his sleep? Yikes.
Sam
Dec 13 2007, 11:34 AM
If accurate, I'm surprised to see Johnny Damon on that list. His body-type and style of play never really made him a suspect for me.
held
Dec 13 2007, 11:43 AM
QUOTE(NumberTenOx @ Dec 13 2007, 09:56 AM) [snapback]528974[/snapback]
I'm guessing outrage, followed by less outrage, followed by Frank DeFord's commentary, followed by possible record book revision, followed by nothing.
If there's any sense of some 'cleanup' that's supposed to happen. They'll purge the records of the dirty players and either fine them or going forward ban players outright who are caught doping. Sounds like the only way they'll nip this in the bud. Could be very ugly. Speculation of who was using matters very little to me as I honestly don't really care but if Mitchell is going to settle this. It needs to be done now.
Bob Loblaw
Dec 13 2007, 11:44 AM
I wouldn't be surprised if that list is accurate. I'm more surprised that they've been able to suppress leaks for this long. If it is accurate, here's the short list of guys who surprise me:
Rich Garces
Jason Varitek
The rest are all obvious. This is the biggest waste of money if this is all Mitchell came up with.
Dag Nasty
Dec 13 2007, 11:47 AM
QUOTE(helmet52 @ Dec 13 2007, 12:32 PM) [snapback]529027[/snapback]
Pujols on that list could be fairly significant for baseball.
Didn't Darrel Kile mysteriously die in his sleep? Yikes.
Yes - in a hotel room here in Chicago before a day game against the Cubs. Joe Girardi took the field and announced there would be no game that day - stuck in my memory for life...
That Pujols shows up saddens me.
This is going to be really ugly - all the pointing & jabbering & circling of wagons & positioning & blah blah blah...
helmet52
Dec 13 2007, 11:49 AM
CNBC just broke the story with the same list that I posted. I'm guessing its mostly accurate.
ParticleHustler
Dec 13 2007, 11:57 AM
Pujols is not a surprise, as his trainer in KC was linked to a number of people and when suggestions were made about him a while back, everyone backed off because there was nothing else connecting him. But that's bad news for baseball if he's on that list.
And again, something people need to realize is that this stuff doesn't just help bulk up, it helps recuperation time from injuries and wear and tear. So I expect a lot of people on this list used for those reasons (Nomar seems like an obvious example).
Bob Loblaw
Dec 13 2007, 11:58 AM
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QUOTE(helmet52 @ Dec 13 2007, 12:32 PM) [snapback]529027[/snapback]
Pujols on that list could be fairly significant for baseball.
Didn't Darrel Kile mysteriously die in his sleep? Yikes.
Yes - in a hotel room here in Chicago before a day game against the Cubs. Joe Girardi took the field and announced there would be no game that day - stuck in my memory for life...
That Pujols shows up saddens me.
This is going to be really ugly - all the pointing & jabbering & circling of wagons & positioning & blah blah blah...
The day I got married.
I hope T.O.'s old PR chick represents one of these ballplayers. "Paxton Crawford had 155,000 reasons to take HGH."
ParticleHustler
Dec 13 2007, 11:59 AM
"I am unaware of any person who goes by the name of Maurice Vaughn." - Mo Vaughn
helmet52
Dec 13 2007, 11:59 AM
ParticleHustler
Dec 13 2007, 12:03 PM
No Pudge.
I'm glad to see Johnny Damon on the list. I hate that fucker. What a worthless piece of shit he is, to marry his high school sweetheart, have triplets, become a very good baseball player, and then decide that he should live the rock star lifestyle, cheat on his wife, ignore his kids, divorce her, then write a book about it all. I hope his nuts shrivel up, fall off, and he keels over at 42.
ParticleHustler
Dec 13 2007, 12:05 PM
So, which one of these jokers comes up with the most creative response/excuse, and what will it be?
ParticleHustler
Dec 13 2007, 12:06 PM
Edit: Nevermind, Sosa's there.
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