most def.
some metal vocalists (dez fafara, then) do actually sound oddly like cm. problem is when people use their broad brush strokes in description
Full Version: Best albums of 2008..........so far
Pretty sure the comment means something more like "ridiculous guttural screaming" than "sounds exactly like cookie monster" these days. And it's sadly OTM in many cases.
hey guys check out this awesome new metal band
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JWac5UT80no
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JWac5UT80no
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Mods: please ban the phrase "cookie monster vocals." Thanx.
finally, someone who agrees. that term is a key indicator of a complete lack of comprehension when it comes to heavy rock music.
Actually it's one of the more accurate and eloquent descriptions I have seen.
The best internet troll I have ever seen used to haunt rec.synths.music back on Usenet using that exact style. That's when the net was far more hilarious. His name was Jarl Sigard. He had this horrible midi guitar linked to a general midi synth and he would upload these awful compositions to the fledgling streaming music services and post the links to all sorts of music newsgroups and claim them to be masterpieces. Listening to his absolute pieces of shit while reading the hundreds of pissed off responses was absolute hilarity.
Jarl was such a great troll that when you do a search for his name, his hilarious web pages come up before historic kings, vikings and religious history.
In no particular order.
Cut Copy - In Ghost Colours
Hercules & Love Affair - S/T
Snoop Dogg - Ego Trippin
Clark - Turning Dragon
Pete Rock - NY's Finest
Sebastien Tellier - Sexuality
El Guincho - Alegranza
M83 - Saturdays = Youth
Ellen Allien - BoogyBytes Vol. 4
Goldfrapp - Seventh Tree
MGMT - Oracular Spectacular
Looking Forward: Annie, Nas, Booka Shade, Usher, Presets, Lil Wayne, Matmos, Van She, Three 6 Mafia, Mochipet, Franz Ferdinand + Xenomania collab
Cut Copy - In Ghost Colours
Hercules & Love Affair - S/T
Snoop Dogg - Ego Trippin
Clark - Turning Dragon
Pete Rock - NY's Finest
Sebastien Tellier - Sexuality
El Guincho - Alegranza
M83 - Saturdays = Youth
Ellen Allien - BoogyBytes Vol. 4
Goldfrapp - Seventh Tree
MGMT - Oracular Spectacular
Looking Forward: Annie, Nas, Booka Shade, Usher, Presets, Lil Wayne, Matmos, Van She, Three 6 Mafia, Mochipet, Franz Ferdinand + Xenomania collab
QUOTE(honey lingers @ Mar 21 2008, 07:00 PM) [snapback]612086[/snapback]
QUOTE(Diesel @ Mar 21 2008, 10:24 PM) [snapback]612069[/snapback]
Mods: please ban the phrase "cookie monster vocals." Thanx.
finally, someone who agrees. that term is a key indicator of a complete lack of comprehension when it comes to heavy rock music.
didn't mean to start a shit storm, just making a generalization. it's more fun to say cookie monster vocals than guttural screaming. if you want to help your case, instead of jumping down someone's throat for their perceived lack of understanding, try and provide an alternative instead of getting all pissy.
so, i'll ask the question again, is this genghis tron album good and if so why exactly?
QUOTE
Jarl Sigurd's Symphony Exotic in F-sharp minor
Completed in mid February 2000 this work, in all likelihood, holds the distiction of being the
first symphony composed during the new millenium. It is unusual in that in addition to utilizing
the sounds of standard orchestral instruments, it also includes sitar sounds to give it a more
exotic feel(hence the name). It consists of three movements and, like the nine tone symphony,
it tells a story.
Andante An occidental potentate developes a liking for the mysterious soma plant which can
only be found in the distant Himalayas. He dispatches an expedition to the Himalayas to go
searching for the plant. The beginning of this movement coincides with their arrival in the
Himalayas and the start of their search.
Completed in mid February 2000 this work, in all likelihood, holds the distiction of being the
first symphony composed during the new millenium. It is unusual in that in addition to utilizing
the sounds of standard orchestral instruments, it also includes sitar sounds to give it a more
exotic feel(hence the name). It consists of three movements and, like the nine tone symphony,
it tells a story.
Andante An occidental potentate developes a liking for the mysterious soma plant which can
only be found in the distant Himalayas. He dispatches an expedition to the Himalayas to go
searching for the plant. The beginning of this movement coincides with their arrival in the
Himalayas and the start of their search.
Link to track:
http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Pavil...085/harvest.mp3
Responses on Usenet:
QUOTE
Well I did take the time out to listen to a few tracks on Jarl's website.
First off, let me say that the images of a guitar conjur up expectations of
expression, musical finesse and feeling. Having listened to several minutes
from several of Jarl's so called concerto's, I failed to keep a straight
face. Sorry, but this is awful. There is simply no expression at all in this
music, not to mention structure. The piano sounds as though its being hit
with a hammer, and its obviously quantised far too much. The choice of
sounds in general could be considered fair, but as others have pointed out,
the quality is of a mediocre wavetable soundcard. Whilst I dont think its
fair to judge any work on the quality of instruments available, comparing
yourself to a philarmonic orchestra in this case is really taking the 'p'.
There were a few seconds of melody amongst this jumble of noises, but I cant
see many listeners relaxing to an hour or so of this stuff. Maybe its the
guitar that prevents you from injecting any expression into these pieces,
but I'm sure you are not doing yourself Justice, Jarl, by the way you've
recorded this stuff. The use of orchestral stabs and timpanis randomly
thrown in to the recordings, strings which simply dont sound stringy and a
cacophony of discordant tones and styles... well perhaps I'm missing the
point here but I really cant see what use a midi guitar is to man or beast
if this is what it produces! Try slowing it all down, adding more
expression to a few of the lead sounds, cut out the quantising, add some
dynamics in to the voices, a bit of reverb..... or perhaps just go out and
listen to a real orchestra before proceeding any further!!!
Sorry this didnt do anything for me, well maybe it did... It's made me
realise that perhaps my music ain't so bad after all!
First off, let me say that the images of a guitar conjur up expectations of
expression, musical finesse and feeling. Having listened to several minutes
from several of Jarl's so called concerto's, I failed to keep a straight
face. Sorry, but this is awful. There is simply no expression at all in this
music, not to mention structure. The piano sounds as though its being hit
with a hammer, and its obviously quantised far too much. The choice of
sounds in general could be considered fair, but as others have pointed out,
the quality is of a mediocre wavetable soundcard. Whilst I dont think its
fair to judge any work on the quality of instruments available, comparing
yourself to a philarmonic orchestra in this case is really taking the 'p'.
There were a few seconds of melody amongst this jumble of noises, but I cant
see many listeners relaxing to an hour or so of this stuff. Maybe its the
guitar that prevents you from injecting any expression into these pieces,
but I'm sure you are not doing yourself Justice, Jarl, by the way you've
recorded this stuff. The use of orchestral stabs and timpanis randomly
thrown in to the recordings, strings which simply dont sound stringy and a
cacophony of discordant tones and styles... well perhaps I'm missing the
point here but I really cant see what use a midi guitar is to man or beast
if this is what it produces! Try slowing it all down, adding more
expression to a few of the lead sounds, cut out the quantising, add some
dynamics in to the voices, a bit of reverb..... or perhaps just go out and
listen to a real orchestra before proceeding any further!!!
Sorry this didnt do anything for me, well maybe it did... It's made me
realise that perhaps my music ain't so bad after all!
QUOTE
> And it is because that the music I've heard leaves no doubt with me that
> what the composer must have heard in his head has been truly beautiful,
> that I conclude that Jarl Sigurd is within reach of becoming a truly
> great composer. I think we should all think very carefully before acting
> in ways which might be construed as that we do not commend his noble and
> unselfish initiative of trying to bring to us what he is hearing
> himself.
This is the silliest thing I've EVER read in a review. Jarl is in no
danger of becoming a "GREAT" composer. He may be in danger of becoming a
composer but *that* has yet to be seen.
What Jarl hears in his head is the same poorly constructed mish-mash
that we have also had the displeasure of hearing. It is not "truly
beautiful" - it is truly bad. He has no concept of harmonic usuage,
rhythmic or melodic developement, aestetics in orchestration, etc.
etc... He is just a bad composer who continually spams here and gets all
us fools to download his crap just to see "what all the fuss is about".
Your poetics in prose can't change that.
> what the composer must have heard in his head has been truly beautiful,
> that I conclude that Jarl Sigurd is within reach of becoming a truly
> great composer. I think we should all think very carefully before acting
> in ways which might be construed as that we do not commend his noble and
> unselfish initiative of trying to bring to us what he is hearing
> himself.
This is the silliest thing I've EVER read in a review. Jarl is in no
danger of becoming a "GREAT" composer. He may be in danger of becoming a
composer but *that* has yet to be seen.
What Jarl hears in his head is the same poorly constructed mish-mash
that we have also had the displeasure of hearing. It is not "truly
beautiful" - it is truly bad. He has no concept of harmonic usuage,
rhythmic or melodic developement, aestetics in orchestration, etc.
etc... He is just a bad composer who continually spams here and gets all
us fools to download his crap just to see "what all the fuss is about".
Your poetics in prose can't change that.
QUOTE
agree with that, but with one qualifier:
The loop-pasters may indeed be uncreative people doing unimaginative
identikit music, but I could probably listen to a song they release
without feeling the urge to plug my own ears with cavity foam
insulation.
What really 'winds me up' about Jarl is not the music he releases, or
even his constant self-promotion. It's the seemingly unassailable notion
he has that what he produces actually sounds pleasant.
You can't improve if you already think you're the best. I know,
personally, that my music also stinks. I've got seven synths, bad co-
ordination, yet I still try and play them all at once.
But I've /never/ been under the impression that anything I've done is
good, no matter how much I liked the idea for Journey.
Richard
The loop-pasters may indeed be uncreative people doing unimaginative
identikit music, but I could probably listen to a song they release
without feeling the urge to plug my own ears with cavity foam
insulation.
What really 'winds me up' about Jarl is not the music he releases, or
even his constant self-promotion. It's the seemingly unassailable notion
he has that what he produces actually sounds pleasant.
You can't improve if you already think you're the best. I know,
personally, that my music also stinks. I've got seven synths, bad co-
ordination, yet I still try and play them all at once.
But I've /never/ been under the impression that anything I've done is
good, no matter how much I liked the idea for Journey.
Richard
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Sorry, this GeoCities site is currently unavailable.
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QUOTE(honey lingers @ Mar 21 2008, 07:00 PM) [snapback]612086[/snapback]
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Mods: please ban the phrase "cookie monster vocals." Thanx.
finally, someone who agrees. that term is a key indicator of a complete lack of comprehension when it comes to heavy rock music.
didn't mean to start a shit storm, just making a generalization. it's more fun to say cookie monster vocals than guttural screaming. if you want to help your case, instead of jumping down someone's throat for their perceived lack of understanding, try and provide an alternative instead of getting all pissy.
apologies. wasn't really 'getting pissy', or jumping down throats but if you think i was, my bad. maybe diesel was pissy, who knows
jimmy d says new genghis is great, i know last genghis was. it is shouty though, but far from 'boring metal'. 'sup to you
but no, tron vocals not at all guttural. historically a lot higher in the throat, a la converge, hints of bm
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QUOTE(Montana @ Mar 21 2008, 07:13 PM) [snapback]612124[/snapback]
Sorry, this GeoCities site is currently unavailable.
Sorry. That thing was setup around 2000. I'll try to find another link.
Alright, alright. I have a new non-specific term to appease semantic metalheads: shitty vocals. Don't get me wrong, shitty vocals are cool sometimes. I like a bit of Carcass every now & then.
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6. Fortress (Protest the Hero)
Heh, I hated this when I first heard it. But now I've somehow managed to block out the vocals which has allowed me to appreciate the musicianship on this. WHen you look at the album that way, it's actually pretty good.
A grower simply because of the fact that I don't think it's utterly shit anymore. It's actually quite good
And if you're wondering about Genghis Tron. Just go and listen to the song, Board up the House which is probably the catchiest number on it. A good representation of the album. It's bound to be on their myspace.
The Billionaires - Really Real For Forever
Does It Offend You, Yeah?
Mock Orange
Stephen Malkmus
Tokyo Police Club
Xiu Xiu count?
Does It Offend You, Yeah?
Mock Orange
Stephen Malkmus
Tokyo Police Club
Xiu Xiu count?
1.)Evangelicals The Evening Desends
2.)High Places 03/07-09/07
3.)Atlas Sound Let The Blind Lead Those Who Can See But Cannot Feel
4.)The Ravonettes LustLustLust
5.)Glass Candy B/E/A/T/B/O/X
6.)Dengue Fever Venus on Earth
7.)Bon Iver For Emma, Forever ago
it's been a decent year so far
2.)High Places 03/07-09/07
3.)Atlas Sound Let The Blind Lead Those Who Can See But Cannot Feel
4.)The Ravonettes LustLustLust
5.)Glass Candy B/E/A/T/B/O/X
6.)Dengue Fever Venus on Earth
7.)Bon Iver For Emma, Forever ago
it's been a decent year so far
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apologies. wasn't really 'getting pissy', or jumping down throats but if you think i was, my bad. maybe diesel was pissy, who knows
jimmy d says new genghis is great, i know last genghis was. it is shouty though, but far from 'boring metal'. 'sup to you
but no, tron vocals not at all guttural. historically a lot higher in the throat, a la converge, hints of bm
jimmy d says new genghis is great, i know last genghis was. it is shouty though, but far from 'boring metal'. 'sup to you
but no, tron vocals not at all guttural. historically a lot higher in the throat, a la converge, hints of bm
thank you verry much and sorry for getting defensive. shouty is good. i will find a link.
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Xiu Xiu count?
It came out in 2008. So that would make it count.
Neon Neon and Hot Chip are at the top. Raveonettes, El Perro Del Mar, and Badu are close.
This is my new obsession:
It's pretty much a Beach Boys record. Uncanny. Brian Wilson even called the band and told them the same.
Oh, and Apache, on Birdman.
This is my new obsession:
It's pretty much a Beach Boys record. Uncanny. Brian Wilson even called the band and told them the same.
Oh, and Apache, on Birdman.
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3.)Atlas Sound Let The Blind Lead Those Who Can See But Cannot Feel
How is Atlas Sound? It's just the guy from Deerhunter by himself, right? I'm not so keen on Deerhunter, and when I saw them last year the lead guy played drums/guitar like he was an alien that'd never seen either instrument before. I saw the 10" split with Old King Cole Younger a couple days ago for $12 or something but didn't pick it up. Maybe I shoulda gave it a shot.
"Accelerate" is the best REM album since Document.
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This is my new obsession:
It's pretty much a Beach Boys record. Uncanny. Brian Wilson even called the band and told them the same.
It's pretty much a Beach Boys record. Uncanny. Brian Wilson even called the band and told them the same.
Did this leak? I really like "Do You Love Me." I generally don't like bands that sound pretty much identical to their influences, but they pull it off so perfectly on that song I'm pretty intrigued to see what the rest of the album sounds like.
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QUOTE(brent_D @ Mar 23 2008, 10:04 AM) [snapback]612784[/snapback]
This is my new obsession:
It's pretty much a Beach Boys record. Uncanny. Brian Wilson even called the band and told them the same.
It's pretty much a Beach Boys record. Uncanny. Brian Wilson even called the band and told them the same.
Did this leak? I really like "Do You Love Me." I generally don't like bands that sound pretty much identical to their influences, but they pull it off so perfectly on that song I'm pretty intrigued what the rest of the album sounds like.
No, but promos were sent out a few weeks ago. So it should be on the internet soon, I would imagine.
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"Accelerate" is the best REM album since Document.
QUOTE(By-Tor @ Mar 23 2008, 03:22 PM) [snapback]612866[/snapback]
"Accelerate" is the best REM album since Document.
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Jarl Sigurd's Symphony Exotic in F-sharp minor
Completed in mid February 2000 this work, in all likelihood, holds the distiction of being the
first symphony composed during the new millenium. It is unusual in that in addition to utilizing
the sounds of standard orchestral instruments, it also includes sitar sounds to give it a more
exotic feel(hence the name). It consists of three movements and, like the nine tone symphony,
it tells a story.
Andante An occidental potentate developes a liking for the mysterious soma plant which can
only be found in the distant Himalayas. He dispatches an expedition to the Himalayas to go
searching for the plant. The beginning of this movement coincides with their arrival in the
Himalayas and the start of their search.
Link to track:
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On each of these tracks, the string, brass, woodwind and sitar parts were done on this electric guitar.
Note the absence of a midi pickup. One of the things I discovered early on about midi guitar is that one
does not need to use a midi pickup to make quality midi guitar music. In fact, I found I got better tracking
without the pickup. I plug my guitar directly into my Roland GI-10 midi interface. The only disadvantage
of not using a midi pickup is that only can only play single note lines(no chords). Since I've always been
primarily a lead guitarist, that is not a problem for me.
Responses on Usenet:
Completed in mid February 2000 this work, in all likelihood, holds the distiction of being the
first symphony composed during the new millenium. It is unusual in that in addition to utilizing
the sounds of standard orchestral instruments, it also includes sitar sounds to give it a more
exotic feel(hence the name). It consists of three movements and, like the nine tone symphony,
it tells a story.
Andante An occidental potentate developes a liking for the mysterious soma plant which can
only be found in the distant Himalayas. He dispatches an expedition to the Himalayas to go
searching for the plant. The beginning of this movement coincides with their arrival in the
Himalayas and the start of their search.
Link to track:
<object classid="clsid:d27cdb6e-ae6d-11cf-96b8-444553540000" codebase="http://fpdownload.macromedia.com/pub/shockwave/cabs/flash/swflash.cab#version=8,0,0,0" width="335" height="28" id="divplaylist"><param name="movie" value="http://www.divshare.com/flash/playlist?myId=4089606-704" /><embed src="http://www.divshare.com/flash/playlist?myId=4089606-704" width="335" height="28" name="divplaylist" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" pluginspage="http://www.macromedia.com/go/getflashplayer"></embed></object>
On each of these tracks, the string, brass, woodwind and sitar parts were done on this electric guitar.
Note the absence of a midi pickup. One of the things I discovered early on about midi guitar is that one
does not need to use a midi pickup to make quality midi guitar music. In fact, I found I got better tracking
without the pickup. I plug my guitar directly into my Roland GI-10 midi interface. The only disadvantage
of not using a midi pickup is that only can only play single note lines(no chords). Since I've always been
primarily a lead guitarist, that is not a problem for me.
Responses on Usenet:
QUOTE
Well I did take the time out to listen to a few tracks on Jarl's website.
First off, let me say that the images of a guitar conjur up expectations of
expression, musical finesse and feeling. Having listened to several minutes
from several of Jarl's so called concerto's, I failed to keep a straight
face. Sorry, but this is awful. There is simply no expression at all in this
music, not to mention structure. The piano sounds as though its being hit
with a hammer, and its obviously quantised far too much. The choice of
sounds in general could be considered fair, but as others have pointed out,
the quality is of a mediocre wavetable soundcard. Whilst I dont think its
fair to judge any work on the quality of instruments available, comparing
yourself to a philarmonic orchestra in this case is really taking the 'p'.
There were a few seconds of melody amongst this jumble of noises, but I cant
see many listeners relaxing to an hour or so of this stuff. Maybe its the
guitar that prevents you from injecting any expression into these pieces,
but I'm sure you are not doing yourself Justice, Jarl, by the way you've
recorded this stuff. The use of orchestral stabs and timpanis randomly
thrown in to the recordings, strings which simply dont sound stringy and a
cacophony of discordant tones and styles... well perhaps I'm missing the
point here but I really cant see what use a midi guitar is to man or beast
if this is what it produces! Try slowing it all down, adding more
expression to a few of the lead sounds, cut out the quantising, add some
dynamics in to the voices, a bit of reverb..... or perhaps just go out and
listen to a real orchestra before proceeding any further!!!
Sorry this didnt do anything for me, well maybe it did... It's made me
realise that perhaps my music ain't so bad after all!
First off, let me say that the images of a guitar conjur up expectations of
expression, musical finesse and feeling. Having listened to several minutes
from several of Jarl's so called concerto's, I failed to keep a straight
face. Sorry, but this is awful. There is simply no expression at all in this
music, not to mention structure. The piano sounds as though its being hit
with a hammer, and its obviously quantised far too much. The choice of
sounds in general could be considered fair, but as others have pointed out,
the quality is of a mediocre wavetable soundcard. Whilst I dont think its
fair to judge any work on the quality of instruments available, comparing
yourself to a philarmonic orchestra in this case is really taking the 'p'.
There were a few seconds of melody amongst this jumble of noises, but I cant
see many listeners relaxing to an hour or so of this stuff. Maybe its the
guitar that prevents you from injecting any expression into these pieces,
but I'm sure you are not doing yourself Justice, Jarl, by the way you've
recorded this stuff. The use of orchestral stabs and timpanis randomly
thrown in to the recordings, strings which simply dont sound stringy and a
cacophony of discordant tones and styles... well perhaps I'm missing the
point here but I really cant see what use a midi guitar is to man or beast
if this is what it produces! Try slowing it all down, adding more
expression to a few of the lead sounds, cut out the quantising, add some
dynamics in to the voices, a bit of reverb..... or perhaps just go out and
listen to a real orchestra before proceeding any further!!!
Sorry this didnt do anything for me, well maybe it did... It's made me
realise that perhaps my music ain't so bad after all!
QUOTE
> And it is because that the music I've heard leaves no doubt with me that
> what the composer must have heard in his head has been truly beautiful,
> that I conclude that Jarl Sigurd is within reach of becoming a truly
> great composer. I think we should all think very carefully before acting
> in ways which might be construed as that we do not commend his noble and
> unselfish initiative of trying to bring to us what he is hearing
> himself.
This is the silliest thing I've EVER read in a review. Jarl is in no
danger of becoming a "GREAT" composer. He may be in danger of becoming a
composer but *that* has yet to be seen.
What Jarl hears in his head is the same poorly constructed mish-mash
that we have also had the displeasure of hearing. It is not "truly
beautiful" - it is truly bad. He has no concept of harmonic usuage,
rhythmic or melodic developement, aestetics in orchestration, etc.
etc... He is just a bad composer who continually spams here and gets all
us fools to download his crap just to see "what all the fuss is about".
Your poetics in prose can't change that.
> what the composer must have heard in his head has been truly beautiful,
> that I conclude that Jarl Sigurd is within reach of becoming a truly
> great composer. I think we should all think very carefully before acting
> in ways which might be construed as that we do not commend his noble and
> unselfish initiative of trying to bring to us what he is hearing
> himself.
This is the silliest thing I've EVER read in a review. Jarl is in no
danger of becoming a "GREAT" composer. He may be in danger of becoming a
composer but *that* has yet to be seen.
What Jarl hears in his head is the same poorly constructed mish-mash
that we have also had the displeasure of hearing. It is not "truly
beautiful" - it is truly bad. He has no concept of harmonic usuage,
rhythmic or melodic developement, aestetics in orchestration, etc.
etc... He is just a bad composer who continually spams here and gets all
us fools to download his crap just to see "what all the fuss is about".
Your poetics in prose can't change that.
QUOTE
agree with that, but with one qualifier:
The loop-pasters may indeed be uncreative people doing unimaginative
identikit music, but I could probably listen to a song they release
without feeling the urge to plug my own ears with cavity foam
insulation.
What really 'winds me up' about Jarl is not the music he releases, or
even his constant self-promotion. It's the seemingly unassailable notion
he has that what he produces actually sounds pleasant.
You can't improve if you already think you're the best. I know,
personally, that my music also stinks. I've got seven synths, bad co-
ordination, yet I still try and play them all at once.
But I've /never/ been under the impression that anything I've done is
good, no matter how much I liked the idea for Journey.
Richard
The loop-pasters may indeed be uncreative people doing unimaginative
identikit music, but I could probably listen to a song they release
without feeling the urge to plug my own ears with cavity foam
insulation.
What really 'winds me up' about Jarl is not the music he releases, or
even his constant self-promotion. It's the seemingly unassailable notion
he has that what he produces actually sounds pleasant.
You can't improve if you already think you're the best. I know,
personally, that my music also stinks. I've got seven synths, bad co-
ordination, yet I still try and play them all at once.
But I've /never/ been under the impression that anything I've done is
good, no matter how much I liked the idea for Journey.
Richard
Fixed the audio link.
so monty, can you remember the title of your own thread?
while conceptually interesting, that "symphony" segment falls far short of best. why would you sully your own thread?
while conceptually interesting, that "symphony" segment falls far short of best. why would you sully your own thread?
QUOTE(Ted Hussein Falconi @ Mar 19 2008, 10:49 AM) [snapback]610006[/snapback]
I like the Howlin' Rain, Dirtbombs, Earth, and Boris records.
Adding: Monkeywrench, Singer, Retribution Gospel Choir.
QUOTE(Montana @ Mar 21 2008, 06:38 PM) [snapback]612108[/snapback]
The best internet troll I have ever seen used to haunt rec.synths.music back on Usenet using that exact style. That's when the net was far more hilarious. His name was Jarl Sigard. He had this horrible midi guitar linked to a general midi synth and he would upload these awful compositions to the fledgling streaming music services and post the links to all sorts of music newsgroups and claim them to be masterpieces. Listening to his absolute pieces of shit while reading the hundreds of pissed off responses was absolute hilarity.
Jarl was such a great troll that when you do a search for his name, his hilarious web pages come up before historic kings, vikings and religious history.
Jarl was such a great troll that when you do a search for his name, his hilarious web pages come up before historic kings, vikings and religious history.
TRAIN YOU WELL I HAVE...YES!
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is the genghis tron album that good? they're coming to my town pretty soon, and i've done my best to avoid them...
it's decent..but not a record youll remember 10 years from now.
Still haven't heard this one yet.
sun kil moon - april
matmos - supreme balloon
M83 - saturdays = youth
boris - smile
toumani diabate - mande variations
constantines - kensington heights
carlos giffoni - eternal noise
earth - bees/honey/skull
ronin - holon
christopher bissonnette - in between words
portishead - third
These have all impressed me quite a bit and in addition there are more I could even list. I'm happy at how this year is really shaping up so far. A lot of diversity and surprises for me. At least half of the acts I had never listened to before this year.
matmos - supreme balloon
M83 - saturdays = youth
boris - smile
toumani diabate - mande variations
constantines - kensington heights
carlos giffoni - eternal noise
earth - bees/honey/skull
ronin - holon
christopher bissonnette - in between words
portishead - third
These have all impressed me quite a bit and in addition there are more I could even list. I'm happy at how this year is really shaping up so far. A lot of diversity and surprises for me. At least half of the acts I had never listened to before this year.
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sun kil moon - april
matmos - supreme balloon
M83 - saturdays = youth
boris - smile
toumani diabate - mande variations
constantines - kensington heights
carlos giffoni - eternal noise
earth - bees/honey/skull
ronin - holon
christopher bissonnette - in between words
portishead - third
These have all impressed me quite a bit and in addition there are more I could even list. I'm happy at how this year is really shaping up so far. A lot of diversity and surprises for me. At least half of the acts I had never listened to before this year.
matmos - supreme balloon
M83 - saturdays = youth
boris - smile
toumani diabate - mande variations
constantines - kensington heights
carlos giffoni - eternal noise
earth - bees/honey/skull
ronin - holon
christopher bissonnette - in between words
portishead - third
These have all impressed me quite a bit and in addition there are more I could even list. I'm happy at how this year is really shaping up so far. A lot of diversity and surprises for me. At least half of the acts I had never listened to before this year.
After a few more listens to the M83, I'm convinced it's another masterpiece. It just took me a long time to get through the new production. I still need to check out the Portishead. I'm checking out some of the others on that list now.
Yeah, it's really addicting. I'm just worried, like I said before, that it's sugary-ness will wear thin after too many listens. Then again, I haven't tired of any of their other releases yet.
QUOTE(avec @ Apr 12 2008, 08:02 AM) [snapback]628299[/snapback]
Yeah, it's really addicting. I'm just worried, like I said before, that it's sugary-ness will wear thin after too many listens. Then again, I haven't tired of any of their other releases yet.
I'm really digging the Constantines and Portishead. The M83 is sugary, no doubt.
QUOTE(Montana @ Apr 12 2008, 09:33 AM)
I'm really digging the Constantines
Yeah by chance a few weeks ago I checked out their myspace after seeing the thread here. I thought it was going to be just another trendy fruit act and was surprised to find a solid rock band. But yeah, really digging that one. Love the singers voice especially.
QUOTE(avec @ Apr 12 2008, 09:37 AM) [snapback]628323[/snapback]
Yeah by chance a few weeks ago I checked out their myspace after seeing the thread here. I thought it was going to be just another trendy fruit act and was surprised to find a solid rock band.
That lead singer for the Constantines is actually solid. There's a nice ambience on that record.
Since this thread has apparently replaced mine from a while back...
Hercules & Love Affair
Foals
Atlas Sound
Cut Copy
Silver Jews
Dodos
Hot Chip
Why
Destroyer
Portishead
Man Man
Jamie Lidell
The Tallest Man On Earth
Constantines
Fleet Foxes
Torche
Cloudland Canyon
Vampire Weekend
The Muslims
The Mae Shi
Plastic Constellations
Mountain Goats
Magnetic Fields
Stephen Malkmus
Clark
Noze
Anja Schneider
Jason Collett
Plants & Animals
Baby Dee
Matmos
in that order.
Having listened to Islands once and really liked it, I expect with a few more listens that should nestle somewhere in the top third of that list. Expecting great things from Wolf Parade and No Age. Also, after hearing half the tracks off the forthcoming Dominique Leone album I think that will also be up there. On the compilation side, the Not Wave collection put out jointly by Rong Music and DFA is pretty great.
For the second album in a row, I feel really let down by Spiritualized. When I was 16 I totally worshiped the guy, went to the Albert Hall gig, loved them. "Let It Come Down" was ok, but a disappointment; "Amazing Grace" was shite. Guess this one is better, but I think I'll completely give up hoping for anything as good as the first trio of albums. Also, try as I might, I'm still not feeling the new Boris or M83.
Based on the list above, am I likely to appreciate the new Erykah Badu? Can't think that I've ever heard her before... I like rap, I like the Timbaland/ Neptunes side of R&B, D'angelo, the lastest Usher stuff... but if she's closer to the Jill Scott/ Mary J. side of things I don't think I'll bother. Anyone?
Hercules & Love Affair
Foals
Atlas Sound
Cut Copy
Silver Jews
Dodos
Hot Chip
Why
Destroyer
Portishead
Man Man
Jamie Lidell
The Tallest Man On Earth
Constantines
Fleet Foxes
Torche
Cloudland Canyon
Vampire Weekend
The Muslims
The Mae Shi
Plastic Constellations
Mountain Goats
Magnetic Fields
Stephen Malkmus
Clark
Noze
Anja Schneider
Jason Collett
Plants & Animals
Baby Dee
Matmos
in that order.
Having listened to Islands once and really liked it, I expect with a few more listens that should nestle somewhere in the top third of that list. Expecting great things from Wolf Parade and No Age. Also, after hearing half the tracks off the forthcoming Dominique Leone album I think that will also be up there. On the compilation side, the Not Wave collection put out jointly by Rong Music and DFA is pretty great.
For the second album in a row, I feel really let down by Spiritualized. When I was 16 I totally worshiped the guy, went to the Albert Hall gig, loved them. "Let It Come Down" was ok, but a disappointment; "Amazing Grace" was shite. Guess this one is better, but I think I'll completely give up hoping for anything as good as the first trio of albums. Also, try as I might, I'm still not feeling the new Boris or M83.
Based on the list above, am I likely to appreciate the new Erykah Badu? Can't think that I've ever heard her before... I like rap, I like the Timbaland/ Neptunes side of R&B, D'angelo, the lastest Usher stuff... but if she's closer to the Jill Scott/ Mary J. side of things I don't think I'll bother. Anyone?
Albums that people like on here which I am curious about would probably be M83, Drive by Truckers and Laura Marling I think. Include Portishead in that as well, even though I have the mp3 of it. I'm waiting for it to be released so as I can give it a proper going over.
Constantines is good, although I do tend to lose interest in the middle of that album. Start and end bring the goods though.
2008 listening
Albums which I can definitely see myself coming back to in a couple of years time:
Genghis Tron - Board up the House
Matmos - Supreme Balloon
Torche - Meanderthal
Black Mountain - In the Future
Earth - Bee's...
Albums which are really good which may prove to be in the above category:
Rotten Sound - Cycles
Clark - Turning Dragon
Sunset - Bright Blue Dream
This Will Destroy You - S/T
Boris - Smile
5ive - Herperus
Cursed - III
Albums which I really liked initiallyt but kind of got tired of after a while/albums which are good but just not on that kind of high level.
Foals - Antidote
Fuck Buttons - Street Horssing
Origin - Antithisis
Brain Drill - Apocalyptic Feasting (
)
Autechre - Quaristice
Constantines
I'm sure there are more, but I think I got my favourites pretty spot on. I've enjoyed this year so far.
Constantines is good, although I do tend to lose interest in the middle of that album. Start and end bring the goods though.
2008 listening
Albums which I can definitely see myself coming back to in a couple of years time:
Genghis Tron - Board up the House
Matmos - Supreme Balloon
Torche - Meanderthal
Black Mountain - In the Future
Earth - Bee's...
Albums which are really good which may prove to be in the above category:
Rotten Sound - Cycles
Clark - Turning Dragon
Sunset - Bright Blue Dream
This Will Destroy You - S/T
Boris - Smile
5ive - Herperus
Cursed - III
Albums which I really liked initiallyt but kind of got tired of after a while/albums which are good but just not on that kind of high level.
Foals - Antidote
Fuck Buttons - Street Horssing
Origin - Antithisis
Brain Drill - Apocalyptic Feasting (
)Autechre - Quaristice
Constantines
I'm sure there are more, but I think I got my favourites pretty spot on. I've enjoyed this year so far.
I don't know, I haven't heard that much this year, in comparison to some of you in this thread.
but let's see what we can put together here:
01. Cut Copy | In Ghost Colours
This thing is just nasty. It really gets better with every spin. It's such an entertaining album to listen to... It does the dance thing extremely well, and at the same time you've these absolutely incredible songs. Man. I'm swooning.
02. Sun Kil Moon | April
Kozelek strikes again. So much awesome here it's hard to know where to start... "Lost Verses" and "Tonight The Sky" are just epic
03. Nick Cave And The Bad Seeds | Dig, Lazarus, Dig!!!
This record is about as bad-ass as they come.
04. The Black Keys | Attack & Release
This is most likely my favorite Keys record to date. Bringing Danger Mouse aboard was a stroke of genius.
honestly, these are the only records I've heard that I'm thrilled about. There's other good ones out there, but these are my favorites for sure.
but let's see what we can put together here:
01. Cut Copy | In Ghost Colours
This thing is just nasty. It really gets better with every spin. It's such an entertaining album to listen to... It does the dance thing extremely well, and at the same time you've these absolutely incredible songs. Man. I'm swooning.
02. Sun Kil Moon | April
Kozelek strikes again. So much awesome here it's hard to know where to start... "Lost Verses" and "Tonight The Sky" are just epic
03. Nick Cave And The Bad Seeds | Dig, Lazarus, Dig!!!
This record is about as bad-ass as they come.
04. The Black Keys | Attack & Release
This is most likely my favorite Keys record to date. Bringing Danger Mouse aboard was a stroke of genius.
honestly, these are the only records I've heard that I'm thrilled about. There's other good ones out there, but these are my favorites for sure.
British Sea Power
Laura Marling
Portishead
The Envelopes
Elbow
Neon Neon
Ruby Suns
Pete & The Pirates
Mystery Jets
Hot Chip
The Long Blondes
Cut Copy.
Seems about right for my top dozen.
Laura Marling
Portishead
The Envelopes
Elbow
Neon Neon
Ruby Suns
Pete & The Pirates
Mystery Jets
Hot Chip
The Long Blondes
Cut Copy.
Seems about right for my top dozen.
Bruno Pronsato
Cut Copy
Fleet Foxes
Portishead
M83
Dirtbombs
Jamie Lidell
Laura Marling
Matmos
Thomas Function
The first three are clear frontrunners at the moment, although Portishead and M83 could challenge them with more listens. The others are all really solid albums. There's a bunch of other stuff hovering just below that I'm not sure about.
Cut Copy
Fleet Foxes
Portishead
M83
Dirtbombs
Jamie Lidell
Laura Marling
Matmos
Thomas Function
The first three are clear frontrunners at the moment, although Portishead and M83 could challenge them with more listens. The others are all really solid albums. There's a bunch of other stuff hovering just below that I'm not sure about.
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Mods: please ban the phrase "cookie monster vocals." Thanx.
finally, someone who agrees. that term is a key indicator of a complete lack of comprehension when it comes to heavy rock music.
Either that or you just don't like your music being compaired with a character on a television show aimed at toddlers.
I think the term "cookie monster vocals" is fairly accurate and amusing given that most death metal singers and some thrash singers sound like they've just gargled with drano and broken glass. Most people understand the term and know what they are in for when they hear the phrase.
I understand the vocals usually fit the aggression level of the songs, but I personally don't find this type of music fun or enjoyable for very long anymore. But to each his own. I think someone said it here before - metal is a music for young men.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cookie_Monster_vocals
(redirects to: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_growl )
QUOTE(vurt @ Apr 12 2008, 08:48 PM) [snapback]628407[/snapback]
Bruno Pronsato
Cut Copy
Fleet Foxes
Portishead
M83
Dirtbombs
Jamie Lidell
Laura Marling
Matmos
Thomas Function
The first three are clear frontrunners at the moment, although Portishead and M83 could challenge them with more listens. The others are all really solid albums. There's a bunch of other stuff hovering just below that I'm not sure about.
Cut Copy
Fleet Foxes
Portishead
M83
Dirtbombs
Jamie Lidell
Laura Marling
Matmos
Thomas Function
The first three are clear frontrunners at the moment, although Portishead and M83 could challenge them with more listens. The others are all really solid albums. There's a bunch of other stuff hovering just below that I'm not sure about.
have you heard the erykah badu album? if not i recommend that based on your choices
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QUOTE(vurt @ Apr 12 2008, 08:48 PM) [snapback]628407[/snapback]
Bruno Pronsato
Cut Copy
Fleet Foxes
Portishead
M83
Dirtbombs
Jamie Lidell
Laura Marling
Matmos
Thomas Function
The first three are clear frontrunners at the moment, although Portishead and M83 could challenge them with more listens. The others are all really solid albums. There's a bunch of other stuff hovering just below that I'm not sure about.
Cut Copy
Fleet Foxes
Portishead
M83
Dirtbombs
Jamie Lidell
Laura Marling
Matmos
Thomas Function
The first three are clear frontrunners at the moment, although Portishead and M83 could challenge them with more listens. The others are all really solid albums. There's a bunch of other stuff hovering just below that I'm not sure about.
have you heard the erykah badu album? if not i recommend that based on your choices
Yeah, and that's one of the ones I'm not sure about. I love, love, love the first two tracks, but chunks of the rest of it don't quite gel for me. It's quite possible I just need to spend more time with it, but at the moment it comes across to me like it needs some tightening/editing. Maybe between this and Vol 2, there'll be a genius album in there.
what are your feelings on sa-ra in general?
I'm generally pleading ignorance. I've heard of them, but don't know much about them or what they've done. They produced some stuff here along with Madlib and others, correct?
yeah, they produced about half the album and have a wonky awesomeness about them. they're odd, but really good. maybe their style takes a while to work its charms (or maybe not); i was already a fan when i got new amerykah, so i was in love from the start
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yeah, they produced about half the album and have a wonky awesomeness about them. they're odd, but really good. maybe their style takes a while to work its charms (or maybe not); i was already a fan when i got new amerykah, so i was in love from the start
What else have they done that you'd recommend?
That m83 record is impossible to find on the internets.
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QUOTE(honey lingers @ Apr 13 2008, 08:35 AM) [snapback]628426[/snapback]
yeah, they produced about half the album and have a wonky awesomeness about them. they're odd, but really good. maybe their style takes a while to work its charms (or maybe not); i was already a fan when i got new amerykah, so i was in love from the start
What else have they done that you'd recommend?
their debut full length album dropped last year and it's insanely good. like, disc one was so good i didn't want to listen to disc two for fear of disappointment. i eventually stuck disc two in and it was like a whole new world of wonders. the glorious/rosebuds single is especially recommended. i am brimming with hyperbole (as i'm sure you inferred), but they are like a much better andre 3000, with a far sounder sense of funk. and a lot sexier.
what woebot said
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