I agree, that bridge doesn't seem to fit.
Take that out and there is solid little two minute tune.

just got around to watching the promo. looks and sounds sad. sounds like they have given up and think straight forward rock is just great. i dont know what it is; ed's kids, marriage for the guys, or matt cameron at drums.

couldn't disagree more. i think the bridge makes the song. otherwise it's just a ramones-does-power-pop retread. the bridge makes it interesting.

it goes nowhere really though. curious if it's even on the studio version, or if it is, does it sound as jarring.

i can find room for a face-melter of a bridge in any song, especially in one that is standard, down-strumming, pj does power punk. it screams out to be broken up with something bigger, something more, something something.

not everything has to fit all the time. without the bridge, this song is pedestrian. this song is Mankind.

aren't you convinced yet?

but i like Mankind better than this song

so, you'll be goin' out with radio then?

to the radar zone.

p.s.

Gonna See My Friend verizon ringback clip:

http://mobileimage.ztango.com/sound/vttone...ndedits0820.mp3

weird sounding song, but i dig it. almost sounds STP-ish, which is amusing. Ed's vocals as it fades out sound pretty shredded, doubt he'll pull that off live.

thanks for the link Solace. The STP comparison is pretty accurate.

From the bits so far, this is not a record I'd expect from PJ. I like what O'Brien is doing w/them this time around.

yeah, that's a pj mindfuck. could kick all kinds of ass.

kinda surprised at that. all i've ever seen/heard of his live vox are pretty damn strong --screams, shrieks included

it's one of the reasons they don't play Evacuation live much

he'll pull it off, but it'll likely sound fairly strained (like much of his higher range these days)

Ed's vocals pretty much suck nowadays. there's been a huge drop off in the last 5-10 years

well, if you're looking for the guy who used to scream and soar his way through shows in the 90's, then yeah. But he has developed into a better "singer" - using his voice in different ways to fit a song.

he ain't 25 anymore - for better and for worse.

i think we can objectively agree that ed's vocals have mostly gotten worse in the last 5-10 yrs. i can't really stand listening to him from the early PJ days anymore. i happen to think he really hit his stride vocally between 96-2000. still a very powerful voice, but he didn't really force things as much and he lost some of the annoying vocal tics that he had from early on. I think his voice started noticeably declining between 2000-03 and since then he's really been a shell of his former self.

while i disagree that he's not that bad nowadays, his sweet spot was right around '98, especially on some of the live boots during the yield tour.

I dig the bridge too.

just heard the studio version of Supersonic from The Fixer 7"... i like the studio version WAY way way more than that live debut... the bridge on the studio version is actually way less abrasive and Mike's solo is way more interesting

i'm sure a rip will turn up pretty soon.

unless something changes i might be done with the band. that video is sad.

it is definitely pretty f'n pathetic

Totally pathetic performance based video.

amazed Cameron Crowe agreed to be part of that shit

this album and the last along with their shenanigans are the direction the band could have taken after their debut. instead they're going for this direction 20 years into their career. im confused.

Anyone else going to the Chicago shows this Sunday/Monday?

He made Elizabethtown, I have a feeling he is one of the main factors in it being shit.

yeah, well, he is kind of, you know, the director of the video. there were some cool shots toward the end, but what was with the video screens in the background?

Fast Times (writer)
Say Anything
Singles
Jerry Maguire
Almost Famous

... Elizabethtown
um, The Fixer

you can't win 'em all, I guess.

calm down.

just listened to the flac of supersonic and it sounds fantastic -- nice and crisp, and yes solace, way more juice than the live clip.

Weird, I guess I know why I'm not a PJ fan. This is the first time I've cared about a PJ song since something off No Code. It's not so damn growling and miserable.

terrible video

agreed.

when shooting a performance for a music video, vedder would do well taking advice from himself:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9SPMfr38fCA

"This is not a TV studio, Josh. Turn these lights out. This is a fucking rock concert."

frankly, they should stay away from live clips altogether. all it does is force a comparison to the Ten era -- and that's a no-win proposition.

the video isn't that bad guys. really. i've seen way worse

Funny to see them in shorts and with long hair (the drummer especially).

both the video performances for "Even Flow" and "Alive" are still undeniably powerful. and when you watch them and follow up with the clip for "The Fixer," the shortcomings of the new one are painfully obvious.

Got a free ticket to Monday night's show...Pearl Jam at the United Center. The hell am I supposed to think about that? I dug the song "Porch" when I was a teenager. They played Lollapalooza 2.0 a few year back & I remember Vedder was "playing" a beautiful blue guitar with a white racing stripe. Anyway, the ticket was free.

I'm jealous, enjoy the show.

The fuck does that mean? Dude has become a pretty accomplished guitarist over the years.

It means what is says - right up there - that the guitar he was playing was gorgeous. Blue with a racing stripe. That's what it 'fucking' means.

Certain I will, despite my groaning hesitation...they're not my cuppa', so to speak, but they're undeniably a good rock & roll band. I may not buy their records but I'm glad they're around.

this type of level-headed reason has no place on this message board

Maybe I'd be more jazzed if they still had Dave Abrizzeussezzeizzi behind the drums.

I'm so sorry. I didn't realize you didn't know how to use quotation marks.

Yeah, me too - sorry...didn't realize you were a reactionary dummy Pearl Jam fan.

soundgarden reunion and Jack Irons rejoiiiiiiiiins

I'm more of a grammar freak.


Back on topic, has anyone found a rip of Supersonic from The Fixer 7"?

lets not start that what if.

This is keen observation. When you compare a band of 25 year olds with a band of 45 year olds, there is indeed a difference. Well done.

Join us for next week's Sickpup Observations where we'll study the contrast between U2 in 1980 and U2 in 2009. I hear they get older.

google pearl jam supersonic - 2nd link

http://www.pigeonsandplanes.com/2009/08/ne...supersonic.html

so i'm digging this Supersonic tune. has a "Mankind" vibe going. plus the Fixer has really been growing on me. has to be my favorite PJ single since...idk. Binaural or Yield maybe? Life Wasted was pretty good too. but i'm enjoying this upbeat spirit to these new songs. again, i'm just hoping the whole album maintains a relatively consistent tone throughout