Today's crackpot theory:
Des & Penny's baby grows up to be Charlie Pace and/or Charles Widmore
did that big chunk of concrete they found in the hatch, way back in season 2, contain Jughead?
We're down to 10 or so survivors still time hoping on the island. Sawyer, Locke, Juliet, Miles, Charlotte, Daniel, Rose, Bernard and a couple or three red shirts
Scotland has deep lochs, or do you say Locke
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QUOTE (TJENZ @ Jan 29 2009, 09:47 AM) 
Today's crackpot theory:
Des & Penny's baby grows up to be Charlie Pace and/or Charles Widmore
Des & Penny's baby grows up to be Charlie Pace and/or Charles Widmore
or
Could Mrs Hawking be the gun toting Other we saw last night?
At this point it's pretty obvious that Libby was working for Widmore when she was in the nut house w/Hurley and offering up her boat to Des, for Widmore's race around the world, ain't it?
At this point it's pretty obvious that Libby was working for Widmore when she was in the nut house w/Hurley and offering up her boat to Des, for Widmore's race around the world, ain't it?
QUOTE (TJENZ @ Jan 29 2009, 08:47 AM)
did that big chunk of concrete they found in the hatch, way back in season 2, contain Jughead?
I'm pretty confident in this assumption.
QUOTE (TJENZ @ Jan 29 2009, 10:00 AM)
Could Mrs Hawking be the gun toting Other we saw last night?
thats what I thought. She and Widmore hook up and Daniel is the result.
QUOTE (TJENZ @ Jan 29 2009, 09:00 AM)
At this point it's pretty obvious that Libby was working for Widmore when she was in the nut house w/Hurley and offering up her boat to Des, for Widmore's race around the world, ain't it?
I have thought for a while that she was either working for Ben or Widmore in the outside world.
QUOTE (Huckle @ Jan 29 2009, 08:41 AM)
"Widmore? Charles Widmore?"
That was a good "ooh" moment for me and the wife.
That was a good "ooh" moment for me and the wife.
Yeah, this was great. Really gives much more context to Ben and Widmore's conversation at the end of "The Shape Of All Things". The whole "the island was once mine, it will be mine again".
Also, Richard's statement that they pick new leaders from a young age makes me think that Widmore was being cultivated into the other leader and was possibly in the position of leadership during the purge (Ben said he wasn't the one that ordered that all of Dharma be wiped out).
QUOTE (biggie mcsmalls @ Jan 29 2009, 09:21 AM)
QUOTE (TJENZ @ Jan 29 2009, 09:00 AM)
At this point it's pretty obvious that Libby was working for Widmore when she was in the nut house w/Hurley and offering up her boat to Des, for Widmore's race around the world, ain't it?
I have thought for a while that she was either working for Ben or Widmore in the outside world.
Same here. After last night's show it really seemed to cement that Widmore was pulling her strings, not Ben.
Capt. Obvious says: Abaddon probably worked for Widmore too.
QUOTE (TJENZ @ Jan 29 2009, 09:31 AM)
QUOTE (biggie mcsmalls @ Jan 29 2009, 09:21 AM)
QUOTE (TJENZ @ Jan 29 2009, 09:00 AM)
At this point it's pretty obvious that Libby was working for Widmore when she was in the nut house w/Hurley and offering up her boat to Des, for Widmore's race around the world, ain't it?
I have thought for a while that she was either working for Ben or Widmore in the outside world.
Same here. After last night's show it really seemed to cement that Widmore was pulling her strings, not Ben.
Capt. Obvious says: Abaddon probably worked for Widmore too.
What in last night's show made you think about Libby working for Widmore. Because Faraday was funded by Widmore? Explain pleeeeeease.
I still dont get how folks have attached Hawking as Faraday's mom, other than the Oxford/English connection, unless one has close sources...
QUOTE (Agrimorfee @ Jan 29 2009, 10:17 AM)
I still dont get how folks have attached Hawking as Faraday's mom, other than the Oxford/English connection...
Ms. Hawking's first name is Eloise, just like Faraday's rat. Ms. Hawkings was last seen in LA conversing with Ben. Widmore just said that Faraday's mom was in LA.
Great article on the H-Bomb from last night at Popular Mechanics.
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As Faraday suggested, burying the disabled bomb underground in a lead or cement housing would contain any radiation the bomb might be emitting now or in the future. Eventually, however, the plutonium could leak into the ground water, and since it will be dangerous for hundreds of thousands of years and concrete might last hundreds, burying the bomb would not be a permanent solution.
Of course, the Lost-aways left for another place in time before we found out if they actually buried Jughead—but not before John Locke urged Richard Alpert to visit him when he is born, two years in the future, to prove that Locke actually is the leader of the Others (cue gasps, goosebumps and "Cabin Fever" flashbacks here)—so the bomb could still be out there, somewhere. Uncontained, there are a couple of things radiation can do: Cause radiation sickness, cure cancer, maybe even have ill effects on pregnant women. We'll let you connect the dots from here.
Of course, the Lost-aways left for another place in time before we found out if they actually buried Jughead—but not before John Locke urged Richard Alpert to visit him when he is born, two years in the future, to prove that Locke actually is the leader of the Others (cue gasps, goosebumps and "Cabin Fever" flashbacks here)—so the bomb could still be out there, somewhere. Uncontained, there are a couple of things radiation can do: Cause radiation sickness, cure cancer, maybe even have ill effects on pregnant women. We'll let you connect the dots from here.
AHA!! (but why not many more folks are suffering adversely remains a big question...)
I can't put into words how much I love this show. I'm pretty sure that if I die between now and next spring, my last thought will be "Shit, I never saw the end of Lost."
QUOTE (farawaysoclose @ Jan 29 2009, 10:20 AM)
QUOTE (Agrimorfee @ Jan 29 2009, 10:17 AM)
I still dont get how folks have attached Hawking as Faraday's mom, other than the Oxford/English connection...
Ms. Hawking's first name is Eloise, just like Faraday's rat. Ms. Hawkings was last seen in LA conversing with Ben. Widmore just said that Faraday's mom was in LA.
Ellie, is the name of the gun totting Hostile/Other, from last night. Was Faraday staring at her because it was his mother?
Is Widmore Daniel's daddy? That could make Daniel half brother of Desmond & Penny. Creepy.
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the librarian from this week, who happens to be the very same woman (Jenna?) who Hurley hugs right before he gets on flight 815: http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-486-798.html She actually uses the phone and checks with someone named Hunter before letting Hurley on the flight, telling him that it's his lucky day. Was Hurley supposed to make the flight? The woman at the other counter didn't seem to think so. But Jenna helps get him on the plane, even after the Jetway closed.
Greatest show ever. The Widmore bit was incredible.
QUOTE (TJENZ @ Jan 29 2009, 04:44 PM)
QUOTE (farawaysoclose @ Jan 29 2009, 10:20 AM)
QUOTE (Agrimorfee @ Jan 29 2009, 10:17 AM)
I still dont get how folks have attached Hawking as Faraday's mom, other than the Oxford/English connection...
Ms. Hawking's first name is Eloise, just like Faraday's rat. Ms. Hawkings was last seen in LA conversing with Ben. Widmore just said that Faraday's mom was in LA.
Ellie, is the name of the gun totting Hostile/Other, from last night. Was Faraday staring at her because it was his mother?
Is Widmore Daniel's daddy? That could make Daniel half brother of Desmond & Penny. Creepy.
Jesus Christ, TJENZ, you are too damned smart.
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I was worried at the end of last season when we saw Locke's dead body in the coffin, but I shouldn't have been. Terry O'Quinn is just as big a presence as he's ever been this year. I love how in the "present," it seems vitally important that Ben and Jack have Locke's body with them when they return to the island. It suggests that a dead body is a key component to getting to the island. After all, Oceanic 815's cargo hold was where Jack's father was being transported, and Eko's brother's body was onboard the drug plane that went down. Maybe the island requires that for some reason.
deep enough conjecture that I think I'll spoiler tag this.
I think a lot of us conjecture things that are fairly apparent. This is pretty fucking out there, but it seems far away enough that it's like a season out from being revealed.
I think a lot of us conjecture things that are fairly apparent. This is pretty fucking out there, but it seems far away enough that it's like a season out from being revealed.
Spoiler/NSFW: click to show/hide
The producers have been pretty vocal that they wish to avoid those sorts of paradoxes.
Also it makes no sense with Widmore wanting to keep Penny away from the island.
Also it makes no sense with Widmore wanting to keep Penny away from the island.
QUOTE (Agrimorfee @ Jan 29 2009, 03:49 PM)
QUOTE (TJENZ @ Jan 29 2009, 04:44 PM)
QUOTE (farawaysoclose @ Jan 29 2009, 10:20 AM)
QUOTE (Agrimorfee @ Jan 29 2009, 10:17 AM)
I still dont get how folks have attached Hawking as Faraday's mom, other than the Oxford/English connection...
Ms. Hawking's first name is Eloise, just like Faraday's rat. Ms. Hawkings was last seen in LA conversing with Ben. Widmore just said that Faraday's mom was in LA.
Ellie, is the name of the gun totting Hostile/Other, from last night. Was Faraday staring at her because it was his mother?
Is Widmore Daniel's daddy? That could make Daniel half brother of Desmond & Penny. Creepy.
Jesus Christ, TJENZ, you are too damned smart.
I was thinking the same thing, but I didn't connect the names. GJ.
QUOTE (Tracy Jacks @ Jan 29 2009, 11:12 PM)
The producers have been pretty vocal that they wish to avoid those sorts of paradoxes.
Also it makes no sense with Widmore wanting to keep Penny away from the island.
Also it makes no sense with Widmore wanting to keep Penny away from the island.
And the rule has been drilled into us that you can't change things from the past.
QUOTE (Agrimorfee @ Jan 30 2009, 07:58 AM)
QUOTE (Tracy Jacks @ Jan 29 2009, 11:12 PM)
The producers have been pretty vocal that they wish to avoid those sorts of paradoxes.
Also it makes no sense with Widmore wanting to keep Penny away from the island.
Also it makes no sense with Widmore wanting to keep Penny away from the island.
And the rule has been drilled into us that you can't change things from the past.
Rules are made to be broken.
The exception proves the rule.
That said, the spoiler tagged theory above makes little to no sense on many levels.
So I guess when Ben said "you changed the rules", he meant that Widmore changed the past somehow to kill Alex.
I think a lot of evidence points to Ben and Charles have been to the future in one form or another and that's how they know how things play out, that neither of them can die, the O6 weren't suppose to leave, etc.
I think a lot of evidence points to Ben and Charles have been to the future in one form or another and that's how they know how things play out, that neither of them can die, the O6 weren't suppose to leave, etc.
QUOTE (farawaysoclose @ Jan 30 2009, 10:15 AM)
So I guess when Ben said "you changed the rules", he meant that Widmore changed the past somehow to kill Alex.
I don't believe that was Widmore's plan, I think that it was just an impulsive action from Widmore's sociopathic mercenary (forgot his name), a bluff that turned out all wrong. But Ben would be somewhat justified in blaming Widmore.
(of course, this does't mean we will never see Alex again, does it?
)
Maybe so, but my point is that Ben strongly suggested that the past / rules were changed that allowed her death to happen. How would he know unless he had seen a different outcome happen in the future?
This could also explain why Ben seemed so omniscient on the island.
This could also explain why Ben seemed so omniscient on the island.
QUOTE (theremin @ Jan 29 2009, 07:01 PM)
deep enough conjecture that I think I'll spoiler tag this.
I think a lot of us conjecture things that are fairly apparent. This is pretty fucking out there, but it seems far away enough that it's like a season out from being revealed.
I think a lot of us conjecture things that are fairly apparent. This is pretty fucking out there, but it seems far away enough that it's like a season out from being revealed.
Spoiler/NSFW: click to show/hide
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QUOTE (farawaysoclose @ Jan 30 2009, 09:59 AM)
Maybe so, but my point is that Ben strongly suggested that the past / rules were changed that allowed her death to happen. How would he know unless he had seen a different outcome happen in the future?
This could also explain why Ben seemed so omniscient on the island.
This could also explain why Ben seemed so omniscient on the island.
or when Ben made that remark, maybe he meant something different.
Maybe Ben just meant they had a gentleman's agreement that family members were off limits.
QUOTE (TJENZ @ Jan 30 2009, 11:50 AM)
Maybe Ben just meant they had a gentleman's agreement that family members were off limits.
Or more simply that Widmore had taken things off of the moral plane (Ben's moral plane, that is) and to a new, dirtier playing field.
I predict that Ben will successfully kill Penny at some point this season, thrusting Desmond into a game-changing rage of some kind.
QUOTE (TJENZ @ Jan 29 2009, 02:44 PM)
Was Faraday staring at her because it was his mother?
I suspected that even not knowing the names because of Faraday's saying "you look SO much like someone I used to know" and his reaction to the question "Aren't you the Romeo?" with "Far from it, believe me."
THE WAY BACK TO THE ISLAND IS REVEALED
TO THE OCEANIC 6, ON ABC’S “LOST”
“316” – The way back to the island is revealed to members of the Oceanic 6, but there's trouble ahead when not all of them wish to return, on “Lost,” WEDNESDAY, FEBRUARY 18 (9:00-10:02 p.m., ET) on the ABC Television Network.
Note: This program will repeat Wed., Feb. 25 from 8:00-9:00 p.m., ET.
“Lost” stars Naveen Andrews as Sayid, Henry Ian Cusick as Desmond, Jeremy Davies as Daniel Faraday, Michael Emerson as Ben, Matthew Fox as Jack, Jorge Garcia as Hurley, Josh Holloway as Sawyer, Yunjin Kim as Sun, Ken Leung as Miles, Evangeline Lilly as Kate, Elizabeth Mitchell as Juliet and Terry O’Quinn as Locke.
Guest starring are
“316” was written by Damon Lindelof & Carlton Cuse and directed by Stephen Williams
TO THE OCEANIC 6, ON ABC’S “LOST”
“316” – The way back to the island is revealed to members of the Oceanic 6, but there's trouble ahead when not all of them wish to return, on “Lost,” WEDNESDAY, FEBRUARY 18 (9:00-10:02 p.m., ET) on the ABC Television Network.
Note: This program will repeat Wed., Feb. 25 from 8:00-9:00 p.m., ET.
“Lost” stars Naveen Andrews as Sayid, Henry Ian Cusick as Desmond, Jeremy Davies as Daniel Faraday, Michael Emerson as Ben, Matthew Fox as Jack, Jorge Garcia as Hurley, Josh Holloway as Sawyer, Yunjin Kim as Sun, Ken Leung as Miles, Evangeline Lilly as Kate, Elizabeth Mitchell as Juliet and Terry O’Quinn as Locke.
Guest starring are
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“316” was written by Damon Lindelof & Carlton Cuse and directed by Stephen Williams
QUOTE (Agrimorfee @ Feb 3 2009, 08:41 AM)
“316” was written by Damon Lindelof & Carlton Cuse
Always a good sign. The last time these two did a non-opener/closer episode was The Constant.
The #1 Rule of TV--when the creative team does the writing, it's an upper-tier episode. Same with any David E. Kelly production.
This will not be my most perceptive statement about LOST, but oh my god this show is such a mindfuck.
I didn't even want to click on this thread that episode was so awesome. Pedal to the metal.
This means Frenchie knows Jin the whole time, right? Does that mean if we watch back episodes, she'll look at him weird?
This means Frenchie knows Jin the whole time, right? Does that mean if we watch back episodes, she'll look at him weird?
QUOTE (pong @ Feb 4 2009, 10:36 PM)
I didn't even want to click on this thread that episode was so awesome. Pedal to the metal.
This means Frenchie knows Jin the whole time, right? Does that mean if we watch back episodes, she'll look at him weird?
This means Frenchie knows Jin the whole time, right? Does that mean if we watch back episodes, she'll look at him weird?
It does mean in the currently ongoing timeline that she would know Jin from this point forward, but I don't think it means that when Jin first arrived on the island that she would have had the history already at that time.
Desmond didn't remember meeting Faraday outside the hatch until 3(?) years after he left the island. Presumably if Danielle was still alive she would have similarly remembered meeting Jin at some random point in the future.
QUOTE (WesterMats @ Feb 4 2009, 10:56 PM)
QUOTE (pong @ Feb 4 2009, 10:36 PM)
I didn't even want to click on this thread that episode was so awesome. Pedal to the metal.
This means Frenchie knows Jin the whole time, right? Does that mean if we watch back episodes, she'll look at him weird?
This means Frenchie knows Jin the whole time, right? Does that mean if we watch back episodes, she'll look at him weird?
It does mean in the currently ongoing timeline that she would know Jin from this point forward, but I don't think it means that when Jin first arrived on the island that she would have had the history already at that time.
Nah. What happened, happened. I'm on the side that Rosseau actually met Jin in the original timeline. I don't think she interacted with him any in the first few seasons.
Desmond remembered because he's uniquely special.
Last nights episode was awesome, having Sawyer watching Kate deliver the baby was good stuff....sappy as all hell but in a good way. As much as I love all the answers they've been giving us thus far I wish they'd hurry up and tell us what the deal with the 4 toed statue is, I hope it's not just a vague hint at past history on the island that we'll never get a glimpse of. With the whole time travel thing going on I fully demand to see the statue being built.
Who left those outriggers there? I think the Losties jumped to the future when they came across those boats.
So looks like those rumors that Miles is Pierre Chang's son are probably true.
The name on the side of Ben's van, "Canton Rainier" is an anagram of "reincarnation."
in previous seasons, did Rousseau ever interact w/Jin???
Who is Sun stalking Ben or Jack? My guess is Ben.
http://www.ajiraairways.com/
QUOTE (TJENZ @ Feb 5 2009, 07:34 AM)
Is there an Ajiraairways flight involved with getting back to the Island?
If Richard knew to look for Locke (after meeting him in a flash) as a baby, wouldn't Rousseau have a recollection of Jin?
QUOTE (biggie mcsmalls @ Feb 5 2009, 08:23 AM)
QUOTE (TJENZ @ Feb 5 2009, 07:34 AM)
Is there an Ajiraairways flight involved with getting back to the Island?
I bet there will be.
I think the outriggers might be linked to the O6 somehow.
Up through last season, I was madly trying to work it all out and get ahead of the curve. After last season's finale, I gave up. Happily. Now, I'm just taking the ride. I'll go wherever the hell they wanna take me.
QUOTE (TJENZ @ Feb 5 2009, 08:34 AM)
Who left those outriggers there? I think the Losties jumped to the future when they came across those boats.
Yeah almost definitly the future, i'm thinking the oceanic 6/bens group left the outriggers.
I'm curious as to who was shooting at them when they were in the outrigger....i almost wonder if a situation could arise where they were actually shooting at themselves....maybe trying to scare themselves away for some reason. That might come off a bit too cheesy though.
As far as Rousseau knowing Jin, she told Sayid in season 1 that she's never actually seen anyone else on the island only heard them. If she had remembered Jin at that point wouldn't she say "although there was that one guy...."
QUOTE (petras @ Feb 5 2009, 08:36 AM)
As far as Rousseau knowing Jin, she told Sayid in season 1 that she's never actually seen anyone else on the island only heard them.
But Rousseau is a liar and/or completely mental. Subsequent episodes indicate that she had interacted with other people on the island.
So...If Ben is behind the lawyer settling up with Claire's next of kin on behalf of Oceanic, is it safe to assume that Abaddon, who claims to represent Oceanic when visiting Hurley, is also one of Ben's men? His involvement in recruiting the freighter team made me think he is one of Widmore's crew, but this muddles things a ton.
QUOTE (biggie mcsmalls @ Feb 5 2009, 09:41 AM)
QUOTE (petras @ Feb 5 2009, 08:36 AM)
As far as Rousseau knowing Jin, she told Sayid in season 1 that she's never actually seen anyone else on the island only heard them.
So...If Ben is behind the lawyer settling up with Claire's next of kin on behalf of Oceanic, is it safe to assume that Abaddon, who claims to represent Oceanic when visiting Hurley, is also one of Ben's men? His involvement in recruiting the freighter team made me think he is one of Widmore's crew, but this muddles things a ton.
I think Abaddon works for Richard, possibly Ben....remember the scene when he showed up at the hospital when Locke was recovering from his broken back and he told Locke about how great going on a walkabout would be. I can't fathom what Whidmores motive would be for setting that up, but we know Richard was trying to get Locke to the island.
QUOTE (M_Rots @ Feb 5 2009, 08:34 AM)
Up through last season, I was madly trying to work it all out and get ahead of the curve. After last season's finale, I gave up. Happily. Now, I'm just taking the ride. I'll go wherever the hell they wanna take me.
That's where my wife is right now, she hates the time travel bit, thinks it's too science fictiony...I'm digging it. The part where Sawyer saw Kate delivering Claires baby...gold!
Also, how about FUCKING JIN BEING BACK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
QUOTE (cerebralcaustic @ Jan 22 2009, 03:14 PM)
QUOTE (nagode @ Jan 22 2009, 02:26 PM)
miles dad is the dharma doctor
I've seen this theory in several places. I love how Asian baby = Asian Lost character = Miles. Why not Jin? Or Sun? Or Sun's dad?
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