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The Curse Of Millhaven
Not that you didn't guess already.

Labour Government Promises to Bomb Even More Countries to Make Them “Democratic”
September 23, 2008 by BNP News Print Page Email Page

Despite the foreign military disasters which are Afghanistan and Iraq, Labour Foreign Secretary David Miliband has said that Britain has a “moral imperative to intervene — sometimes militarily — to help spread democracy throughout the world.”

Speaking in Oxford, Miliband said that Britain must unambiguously be on the side of what he describes as “civilian surges” for democracy.

Miliband’s broad-ranging speech reflects his concern that a combination of factors, including widespread distaste for the American neo-conservative movement, disillusionment at the practical failures in Iraq, and a feeling that some underdeveloped countries, such as Kenya, are simply too tribal for democracy, is storing up a powerful isolationist mood in Britain — in other words, that BNP foreign policy is becoming too popular.

Miliband who has just returned from the “democratic powerhouses” of Afghanistan and Bangladesh, is full of soundbytes about bringing “democracy to the Middle East” but is strangely quiet about Red China, which is possibly the single largest totalitarian state in the world, which literally drives tanks over pro-democracy demonstrators.

He has argued that “fostering democracy in the Middle East is the best long-term defence against global terrorism and conflict” — whereas the truth is much simpler: the real cause of terrorism in Europe is mass immigration, which has allowed non-European communities to establish large bases from which terrorists can be recruited, and biased European foreign policies in places like the Middle East.

Instead of interfering in other nations and regions, telling them to be democratic and bombing them to pieces if they do not want to adopt that Western system of government, Britain’s foreign policy should be one of active neutrality where there are no British interests at stake.

It is precisely because of policies such as the ones which Miliband’s thoughts typify, that Britain and other European nations are targets for terrorism, and are blamed for all the ills in regions such as the Middle East.

It is time for a cleaning of the Augean stables of British politics, and for the three Marxist Brother parties who have created such mayhem to be shown the door.


http://www.bnp.org.uk/2008/09/labour-gover...ratic%e2%80%9d/

Best of all is that we don't even live in a Democracy.
Mitchell
Why are you reading the BNP's site and worse beliving it?
Mitchell
Article is vile racist right shit and it sickens me to read it. What does the cunting BNP know about fucking democracy?
The Curse Of Millhaven
Alright, if you would prefer, The Guardian reported it too.
Mitchell
Without the racism.

That speech is from February and is arguably the best one David Miliband has given since becoming Foreign Secretary. It argues that the role of spreading democracy shouldn't be left to just American neocons and that the EU and those on the left shouldn't be put off by the unmitigated disaster of Iraq. It's wasn't about smashing up countries that didn't adhere to a Western ideal of how to be run, more about helping people who were being undemocratically oppressed, like the Liberal Intervention, layed out in Tony Blair's 1999 speech in Chicago, that came to the aid of those in Sierra Leone. I would like to hear from other European foreign ministers with their visions of democracy promotion.

The part in the BNP article about British interests is also wrong, and viewed through the glasses of Henry Kissinger, to say that in this area our interests and our values conflict. Values and interests may clash in the short term, but in the long run there is no better guarantee of our vital interests - in peace, security and development as well as freedom - than the spread of law-abiding liberal democracy.
The Curse Of Millhaven
I didn't see race being mentioned in that article and I don't think it is our responsibility to spread our system of government to other nations, militarily or not.
Mitchell
QUOTE (The Curse Of Millhaven @ Sep 25 2008, 10:15 AM) *
I didn't see race being mentioned in that article and I don't think it is our responsibility to spread our system of government to other nations, militarily or not.


Non-European is a racial classification, they aren't talking about Australians and South Africans.

It isn't about spreading our system of government abroad at all, it's about helping and responding to people who are themselves concerned by the lack of democracy in their own countries and struggling to achieve it there. People like Suu Kyi in Burma and so on. It's not about turning up and confronting others with our idea of what is best. If you don't think a (so-called) social democratic party in government has a responsibility to do that then that's where we disagree. In the current situation isolationism is not going to be the answer. Especially for the US.
badger5000
QUOTE (Mitchell @ Sep 25 2008, 10:02 AM) *
It argues that the role of spreading democracy shouldn't be left to just American neocons and that the EU and those on the left shouldn't be put off by the unmitigated disaster of Iraq. It's wasn't about smashing up countries that didn't adhere to a Western ideal of how to be run, more about helping people who were being undemocratically oppressed, like the Liberal Intervention, layed out in Tony Blair's 1999 speech in Chicago, that came to the aid of those in Sierra Leone.


This a beautiful thought and I for one would be delighted if it bore any resemblance to any foreign policy any government in this country was ever going to adopt but it ain't going to happen. Aside from the fact that Milliband speaks with the luxury of knowing he can say what he wants cos he is about to get turfed out of office for a decade, these 3 Labour governments have been unrelentingly enthusiastic outriders for the free market apocalypse and they have rarely if ever done the right thing simply for the sake of doing the right thing. Pretty much any offer of aid this country makes to anyone comes tied to a privatisation timetable or an arms deal or both.

And anything Blair had to say in Chicago is now fatally undermined by the subsequent admission that his foreign policy was formulated according to what God wanted him to do, rather than the millions of silly deluded fuckers like me who thought they were voting for an ethical social democratic party in 1997. For all that, I'm not one of these people who think they're the just same as the Tories and what's the point of voting cos the government always gets in blah blah. It could be much worse and it will be.

All that said - Curse of Millhaven - you don't have to be Noam Chomsky to be able to tear every single sentence of that original article to shreds. The fucking BNP??
You surely be trolling.
Mitchell
Oh of course it's a fair tale to believe that they'd do that now or then, but deconstruction to an extent of the BNP article was my only real aim.

100% agree with your post.
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