I've come back to this in part from hearing the remastered CD of The Who Sell Out recently. I've always preferred the sound of the original US single, with its dense mono mix and notably more prominent bass guitar.
Listening to this now, I'm convinced it's a different bass track altogether. On the album mix, John Entwistle stays mostly on the tonic note during the verses, but on the single he follows Pete Townshend's chord changes instead. (Kind of hard to notice the difference with casual listening, especially since the bass line is mixed way down on the album version). It's possible that the the bass on the single may be an overdub, added later to compensate for the poorly recorded original.
Don't bother with the version on the mono The Who Sell Out LP - it's just a reduction of the stereo mix. The single is still the only way to hear this.
Gonzo
Apr 18 2009, 11:48 AM
wow awesome, thanks for that. nice couple of minutes of music there.
Some Brilliant Bullsh*t
Apr 18 2009, 12:08 PM
Diggin' this thread. Outstanding first post.
bunk
Apr 18 2009, 08:48 PM
Sid Hartha - Th emost undervalued poster on the SOMB. Another fantastic contribution! I look forward to your other uploads.
Any cool Garage\Psych 45s lying around?
flinchy17
Apr 18 2009, 10:01 PM
I truly appreciate this. As a 21 year old kid that lists The Who as his favorite band I agree with the statement about the remaster of The Who Sell Out. Whatever the first version of I Can See for Miles was has got to be a different mix than what I heard once I bought the album. What version I had perviously is unknown as I was probably 14 years old and don't really know. When I popped the CD in the first time I could barely hear the bass and even the drums felt like they lacked a certain kick.
Thanks again! This is more of what I remember!
biggoofysmartass
Apr 18 2009, 10:48 PM
It could also be that the mix was designed to be more appropriate for the pressing of the single vs the album or even vinyl vs cd. Listening to interviews about the upcoming Beatles remasters, I heard that they mastered vinyl with attention to preventing the bass from throwing the needle out of the groove.
Or I'm just talking out of my ass.
Sid has always been a quality poster. I'm not hear nearly as muchas I ysed to be and even I can tell that. Any fault for the lack of appreciation should not fall on him.
_______
Apr 18 2009, 10:49 PM
wow, even the mp3 rip sounds amazing... looking forward to this thread.
Sid Hartha
Apr 25 2009, 04:33 PM
The Thirteenth Floor Elevators - Tried To Hide International Artists 107, 1966 (B-side of "You're Gonna Miss Me")
A recent find. This one is news to me: a completely different version from the LP track. Really fast and rough, with much harmonica. I read somewhere how many of their early recordings were abandoned and rerecorded for what became their first LP. That seems to be the case with this song.
BTW, There's a new 10-CD box set of the Elevators called Sign Of The 3 Eyed Men (anyone?) that has a disk of early sessions called "Headstone". I would bet this track is on it.
theremin
Apr 25 2009, 05:26 PM
it seems like there's only a sampler of the box set out so far. 5 discs are just the 3 albums (stereo and mono on 2 of them).
flinchy17
Apr 25 2009, 05:29 PM
I love the photos included. Classy thread. Downloading 13th Floor Elevators now!
theremin
Apr 25 2009, 05:32 PM
Sid Hartha
Apr 25 2009, 06:40 PM
Last month's Mojo comp CD had the mono "Levitation" taken from that box set, which sounded damn fine.
Vivian Darkbloom
Apr 25 2009, 06:57 PM
Thread is 2 for 2 so far. Keep 'em coming.
Sid Hartha
May 3 2009, 11:20 PM
Hawkwind - Silver Machine United Artists UP35381, 1972
I first heard this song in Skipper's Music Store - 1972 is my guess - but I didn't know who it was. I distinctly remember seeing Black Sabbath's Vol. 4 put up on the "now playing" display and assuming that was what I was listening to. I didn't think too much about it then but the song would come back to me afterward - become stuck in my head.
Long story short - many clueless store clerks later, Black Sabbath LPs purchased in vain... a quest that continued for years. A song with something about something machine. The trail ran cold, decades go by...
--
Earlier this year my son sent this record to me to rip to mp3 for him, which he won on eBay. We've both been getting into some early Hawkwind lately, and this 45 sort of slipped through the cracks of their original discography so he was especially keen to hear it.
Anyway, it was one of those weird moments, putting this 45 on. It just started with a weird premonition on the song's fade in. By the first chorus, it all came back. I was back at Skipper's Music, and it all makes sense. That song that was stuck in my head all these years. Hawkwind. Of course.
Skipper's Music always had a great selection of Krautrock, Space Rock and various European ephemera. Can, Guru Guru, Neu etc... I was familiar with all those names and corresponding album covers back then, just from browsing through that store's inventory (though admittedly my 12 year old musical tastes didn't catch up until long after). Totally missed this one, though.
_______
May 3 2009, 11:26 PM
man, i love this thread.
where is Skipper's?
Some Brilliant Bullsh*t
May 3 2009, 11:34 PM
QUOTE (Sid Hartha @ May 3 2009, 11:20 PM)
Hawkwind - Silver Machine United Artists UP35381, 1972
I first heard this song in Skipper's Music Store - 1972 is my guess - but I didn't know who it was. I distinctly remember seeing Black Sabbath's Vol. 4 put up on the "now playing" display and assuming that was what I was listening to. I didn't think too much about it then but the song would come back to me afterward - become stuck in my head.
Long story short - many clueless store clerks later, Black Sabbath LPs purchased in vain... a quest that continued for years. A song with something about something machine. The trail ran cold, decades go by...
--
Earlier this year my son sent this record to me to rip to mp3 for him, which he won on eBay. We've both been getting into some early Hawkwind lately, and this 45 sort of slipped through the cracks of their original discography so he was especially keen to hear it.
Anyway, it was one of those weird moments, putting this 45 on. It just started with a weird premonition on the song's fade in. By the first chorus, it all came back. I was back at Skipper's Music, and it all makes sense. That song that was stuck in my head all these years. Hawkwind. Of course.
Skipper's Music always had a great selection of Krautrock, Space Rock and various European ephemera. Can, Guru Guru, Neu etc... I was familiar with all those names and corresponding album covers back then, just from browsing through that store's inventory (though admittedly my 12 year old musical tastes didn't catch up until long after). Totally missed this one, though.
I'd heard of Hawkwind, but Dave Wyndorf's reverence for them when Monster Magnet were just starting propelled me to pick up their records. Such a great song.
Sid Hartha
May 3 2009, 11:35 PM
QUOTE (Simakos @ May 3 2009, 11:26 PM)
where is Skipper's?
It was in Carpentersville. Meadowdale shopping center, next to the head shop. I probably bought my first 200 albums or so from that joint.
By the mid '70s I grew out of that place - started getting rides to Elgin to hit Apple Tree and Ryburn's.
Duff.
May 3 2009, 11:57 PM
Good thread.
spiritofeden
May 4 2009, 08:36 AM
another winning thread by Sid.
Sid Hartha
May 10 2009, 11:08 AM
The Rolling Stones - Street Fighting Man London (US) 5N909, 1968
One of my first Stones records. My favorite single of theirs, for sure. I remember finding this in the remainder bin at Woolworth's (39 cents), which was strange because it didn't seem to chart. Never heard it on the radio at the time, either. Get down!
Hey, said my name is called Disturbance I'll shout and scream, I'll kill the King, I'll wail at all his servants...
Mick Jagger, 1995:
QUOTE
It was a very strange time [1968] in France. But not only in France but also in America, because of the Vietnam War and these endless disruptions... There was all this violence going on. I mean, they almost toppled the government in France; De Gaulle went into this complete funk, as he had in the past, and he went and sort of locked himself in his house in the country. And so the government was almost inactive. And the French riot police were amazing. Yeah, it was a direct inspiration, because by contrast, London was very quiet...
Keith Richards, 1977:
QUOTE
Street Fighting Man was all acoustics. There's no electric guitar parts in it. (Even the high-end lead part was through) a cassette player with no limiter. Just distortion. Just two acoustics, played right into the mike, and hit very hard. There's a sitar in the back, too. That would give the effect of the high notes on the guitar. And Charlie was playing his little 1930s drummer's practice kit. It was all sort of built into a little attaché case, so some drummer who was going to his gig on the train could open it up - with two little things about the size of small tambourines without the bells on them, and the skin was stretched over that. And he set up this little cymbal, and this little hi-hat would unfold. Charlie sat right in front of the microphone with it. I mean, this drum sound is massive. When you're recording, the size of things has got nothing to do with it. It's how you record them. Everything there was totally acoustic. The only electric instrument on there is the bass guitar, which I overdubbed afterwards.
There's three mixes of the original recording in existence: the original UK single on Decca (found on the remastered singles box), which is very crude sounding and has an earlier vocal take; there's the common stereo album version, which everyone has heard... and this, the US mono 45, which is similar to the album version except that the drums are brought way up and sound fantastic.
Edit to mention how awesome Nicky Hopkins' piano work is on this track. He was such a huge part of their sound at the time, probably more of a contributor to the band than Bill Wyman or Brian Jones (see Sympathy For The Devil, Salt Of The Earth).
Rob Gordon
May 10 2009, 12:03 PM
Thanks Sid. Love the songs. The history, both general and your personal.
_______
May 10 2009, 12:37 PM
QUOTE (Sid Hartha @ May 10 2009, 11:08 AM)
Get down!
Hey, said my name is called Disturbance I'll shout and scream, I'll kill the King, I'll wail at all his servants...
such a great lyric there, never knew that is what he is singing.
QUOTE (Sid Hartha @ May 10 2009, 11:08 AM)
There's three mixes of the original recording in existence: the original UK single on Decca (found on the remastered singles box), which is very crude sounding and has an earlier vocal take; there's the common stereo album version, which everyone has heard... and this, the US mono 45, which is similar to the album version except that the drums are brought way up and sound fantastic.
well, now i want all three versions in this thread... Sid?
Sid Hartha
May 10 2009, 01:01 PM
Here's the UK 45 version - w/different vocal - taken from the singles box set:
_______
May 10 2009, 02:06 PM
QUOTE (Sid Hartha @ May 10 2009, 11:08 AM)
The Rolling Stones - Street Fighting Man London (US) 5N909, 1968
QUOTE (Sid Hartha @ May 10 2009, 01:01 PM)
Here's the UK 45 version - w/different vocal - taken from the singles box set:
oh yeah, the US 45 version is better for sure.
velocity
May 10 2009, 06:03 PM
Dunno why I haven't come in here before today. Great tracks, Sid--thanks.
Sid Hartha
May 22 2009, 10:00 PM
Simon & Garfunkel - The Only Living Boy in New York Columbia 45133, 1970
This forum's favorite S&G song, it turns out.
The single is a little different, in a good way. The lead vocal isn't so heavily processed like on the album (that cheezy ADT effect that makes everyone sound like a robot). Instead there's just some reverb over everything, which is very Classic Rock.
Garfunkel still sounds like a ghost on this one.
mouthbreather
May 22 2009, 10:06 PM
QUOTE (Sid Hartha @ May 3 2009, 11:35 PM)
QUOTE (Simakos @ May 3 2009, 11:26 PM)
where is Skipper's?
It was in Carpentersville. Meadowdale shopping center, next to the head shop. I probably bought my first 200 albums or so from that joint.
By the mid '70s I grew out of that place - started getting rides to Elgin to hit Apple Tree and Ryburn's.
Ha! That's great - I grew up going to Skipper's and later Apple Tree. In high school I made a lot of visits to Full Cyrkle in Crystal Lake.
masterofsparks
May 23 2009, 12:59 PM
Nice thread. I've spent a lot of time ripping some of my 45s onto CDs for more convenient listening as well. It's time-consuming but very fun.
Vivian Darkbloom
May 23 2009, 07:34 PM
Anyone have any idea why I can't play the DivShare singles anymore? All I get is an empty white box with no controls. Is there some application that I have to have to play it? My hard drive crashed a few weeks back, but I used to able to play these.
spiritofeden
May 23 2009, 08:46 PM
this is the best thread I have ever seen.
Sid,
how do you rip your vinyl into mp3?
Rob Gordon
May 23 2009, 11:42 PM
QUOTE (spiritofeden @ May 23 2009, 09:46 PM)
this is the best thread I have ever seen.
Sid,
how do you rip your vinyl into mp3?
Something like this...right Sid?
_______
May 25 2009, 12:45 AM
Sid, this thread just makes me feel good.
QUOTE (Vivian Darkbloom @ May 23 2009, 07:34 PM)
Anyone have any idea why I can't play the DivShare singles anymore? All I get is an empty white box with no controls. Is there some application that I have to have to play it? My hard drive crashed a few weeks back, but I used to able to play these.
update your flash?
Vivian Darkbloom
May 25 2009, 10:41 AM
Thanks, Simakos. Your tip with Flash worked.
Dag Nasty
May 27 2009, 01:49 PM
Bump to encourage another entry.
mouthbreather
May 27 2009, 02:55 PM
QUOTE (Sid Hartha @ May 22 2009, 10:23 PM)
You mean the place on Rte. 31, right? I still get the occasional item at Shooting Stars with their stamp on the inner sleeve.
Funny thing - I was looking through the used records at Kiss The Sky today and found a Skipper's sticker on some LP's shrink wrap.
Yep, Full Cyrkle was on Rt. 31 near 176 in its most recent incarnation. Though I discovered it when Skip was still running the store out of his house in downtown Crystal Lake near the train tracks. It was really the ONLY place that we could find punk records and stuff like Throbbing Gristle in the burbs.
That's pretty funny. A friend of mine gave me his entire vinyl collection a few years ago and several records still have the old Skipper's price tag on the shrinkwrap.
velocity
May 27 2009, 04:10 PM
Isn't shrinkwrap a big no-no if you plan to actually play the rekkid? Or is that an urban legend?
Campaigner
Jun 19 2009, 10:18 PM
Awesome thread. Had forgotten about it until this morning, but have since grabbed everything from here.
Cheers Sid.
NewGrass
Jun 19 2009, 11:46 PM
QUOTE (spiritofeden @ May 23 2009, 08:46 PM)
this is the best thread I have ever seen.
Sid,
how do you rip your vinyl into mp3?
it's pretty easy. turntable -> RCA to 1/8" headphone plug into soundcard line in of some sort -> audacity(free program that works perfectly fine for ripping) then play LP split tracks where needed -> some sort of mp3 converting program, my choice and what is the most quality imo is EAC using lame 3.97 or 3.98 if you can't find 97 and rip to V0 vbr mp3 (best quality mp3 out right now for size to sound ratio). There are guides for V0 on EAC all over the net.
that was ripped by me using exactly what I described there. Keep in mind it was a live record so the distance of it all at times isn't my rip.
Sid Hartha
Jun 21 2009, 03:46 PM
The Chi-Lites - Stoned Out Of My Mind Brunswick 55500, 1973
A great song. I love the production - if you listen closely, there's really not too much there. Besides the horn section, it's a simple arrangement, almost minimalist. Just a strong bassline and a great vocal. That's all you need.
It's hard to believe it wasn't a bigger hit, considering their track record before this.
The single has a slightly different mix from the LP version I'm used to hearing (more Clavinet!).
Rob Gordon
Jun 21 2009, 05:04 PM
Never heard this to the best of my recollection. Sweet.
_______
Jun 23 2009, 02:04 AM
QUOTE (Sid Hartha @ Jun 21 2009, 03:46 PM)
The Chi-Lites - Stoned Out Of My Mind Brunswick 55500, 1973
A great song. I love the production - if you listen closely, there's really not too much there. Besides the horn section, it's a simple arrangement, almost minimalist. Just a strong bassline and a great vocal. That's all you need.
It's hard to believe it wasn't a bigger hit, considering their track record before this.
The single has a slightly different mix from the LP version I'm used to hearing (more Clavinet!).
to all of the assholes in that Lips thread and the other group of fuckwads in that NMH thread,
this is quality posting... look at the craft and energy put into this thread.
skamatrix
Jun 23 2009, 11:28 AM
QUOTE (Sid Hartha @ May 3 2009, 09:35 PM)
QUOTE (Simakos @ May 3 2009, 11:26 PM)
where is Skipper's?
It was in Carpentersville. Meadowdale shopping center, next to the head shop. I probably bought my first 200 albums or so from that joint.
By the mid '70s I grew out of that place - started getting rides to Elgin to hit Apple Tree and Ryburn's.
oh my god. I can't believe how close this message board is to home. I grew up in Algonquin on the east side of the river, right off the 25 in Carpentersville. Just seeing that name brings back so much. Can't believe so many SOMBers are from home!
Been living in Southern California for 3 years now (a long time at my young age of 19) and I am just glad to have found this message board... crazy
Off topic, I know haha.
Thanks Sid btw... look forward to more posts!
Sid Hartha
Jun 24 2009, 08:20 AM
In the midst of Sassafras...
QUOTE (Citizen @ Jun 23 2009, 03:08 PM)
243. Bubble Puppy - Hot Smoke and Sassafras (1969)
Good one - made me want to check and see if I still had this.
The Bubble Puppy - Hot Smoke And Sassafras International Artists #128, 1969
It's had quite a few plays, but it cleaned up purty good.
I don't think it made too much of a dent in the national charts, but it was a huge hit on Chicago radio. Always loved this song, despite its psychedelic bubblegum cheesiness. One of the first things I attempted to learn on guitar was that riff.
Rob Gordon
Jun 24 2009, 08:38 AM
I'm refraining from looking at the song thread until I post mine. Good song here though. I have it on my iPod.
Citizen
Jun 24 2009, 10:35 AM
QUOTE (Sid Hartha @ Jun 24 2009, 08:20 AM)
In the midst of Sassafras...
QUOTE (Citizen @ Jun 23 2009, 03:08 PM)
243. Bubble Puppy - Hot Smoke and Sassafras (1969)
Good one - made me want to check and see if I still had this.
The Bubble Puppy - Hot Smoke And Sassafras International Artists #128, 1969
It's had quite a few plays, but it cleaned up purty good.
I don't think it made too much of a dent in the national charts, but it was a huge hit on Chicago radio. Always loved this song, despite its psychedelic bubblegum cheesiness. One of the first things I attempted to learn on guitar was that riff.
I have this 45 as well. The bottom end on it absolutely thumps, especially during the break.
is it possible that i am hearing breaks from this song that Dan Snaith has sampled and used in more than one Caribou/Manitoba song?
bunk
Jun 24 2009, 05:56 PM
QUOTE (EL OSO @ Jun 23 2009, 04:04 AM)
QUOTE (Sid Hartha @ Jun 21 2009, 03:46 PM)
The Chi-Lites - Stoned Out Of My Mind Brunswick 55500, 1973
A great song. I love the production - if you listen closely, there's really not too much there. Besides the horn section, it's a simple arrangement, almost minimalist. Just a strong bassline and a great vocal. That's all you need.
It's hard to believe it wasn't a bigger hit, considering their track record before this.
The single has a slightly different mix from the LP version I'm used to hearing (more Clavinet!).
to all of the assholes in that Lips thread and the other group of fuckwads in that NMH thread,
this is quality posting... look at the craft and energy put into this thread.
Agreed. Also nice to see that dickwad's ignorant post was deleted\removed.
_______
Jun 24 2009, 11:23 PM
QUOTE (Sid Hartha @ Jun 24 2009, 08:20 AM)
The Bubble Puppy - Hot Smoke And Sassafras
totally addicted to this tune... do they have any others i need to know?
DrAftershave
Jun 25 2009, 12:27 AM
QUOTE (Sid Hartha @ Jun 24 2009, 06:20 AM)
In the midst of Sassafras...
QUOTE (Citizen @ Jun 23 2009, 03:08 PM)
243. Bubble Puppy - Hot Smoke and Sassafras (1969)
Good one - made me want to check and see if I still had this.
The Bubble Puppy - Hot Smoke And Sassafras International Artists #128, 1969
It's had quite a few plays, but it cleaned up purty good.
I don't think it made too much of a dent in the national charts, but it was a huge hit on Chicago radio. Always loved this song, despite its psychedelic bubblegum cheesiness. One of the first things I attempted to learn on guitar was that riff.
i wouldn't call #14 on the charts too small of a dent. great song.
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