Are there two words in music discussion less useful than "dated" and "timeless"?
"Overproduced" and "pretentious" come to mind.
_______
Feb 15 2010, 05:12 AM
QUOTE (Sid Hartha @ Feb 14 2010, 10:20 AM)
Are there two words in music discussion less useful than "dated" and "timeless"?
"dated" less than "timeless" though, right?
Great Ghosts
Feb 15 2010, 12:00 PM
was just thinking about this the other day, particularly dated. Dated in what way? relevance to modern music? Who cares?
Sid Hartha
Feb 15 2010, 12:09 PM
A lot of what's considered timeless is really just dated stuff that's fashionable again. The drum sound on Led Zeppelin II, which has that room ambience that Albini seems to have branded so well... or the indie-friendly guitar tones on Revolver.
But, yes, "pretentious" is just as worthless - if not worse. "Overproduced" is valid, I think, although it's misused a lot.
Merle
Feb 15 2010, 12:17 PM
Wait a second, Sid -- are you saying American Beauty won't always sound as "fresh" and "now" as it does in 2010?
Guy
Feb 15 2010, 12:20 PM
Mr Hartha,
Please do me a favor and inform me when the synthesizer sound of the 1980’s becomes fashionable again. Thus restoring it’s timeless quality.
I anticipate I will be waiting for quite some time.
Merle
Feb 15 2010, 12:23 PM
It happened about 4 years ago.
bleach
Feb 19 2010, 12:19 PM
k, so i'm probably late to this game but the other day i stumbled upon moshcam and um....yyyyyyyyeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh !
samsquanch
Feb 24 2010, 10:31 PM
Olivia has nice legs
bleach
Feb 25 2010, 04:00 AM
anybody know what the instrument is that can be seen being played by the guy in the blue shirt (it looks like a coconut sprouting twigs) between :47 and :56 of this clip? like the veggie burgers i made tonight, this is some homemade job right?
does anyone listen to the SO show anymore? This last show (with Rivers Cuomo) was the tops!
Yeah, the Rivers interview was interesting.
_jon
Feb 28 2010, 12:16 PM
It irks me when musicians do a cover and change the lyrics to reflect their own gender, especially if it completely ignores the context of the song.
_______
Feb 28 2010, 12:26 PM
QUOTE (_jon @ Feb 28 2010, 11:16 AM)
It irks me when musicians do a cover and change the lyrics to reflect their gender, especially if it completely ignores the context of the song.
agreed
Great Ghosts
Feb 28 2010, 02:52 PM
that's my ultimate musical pet peeve.
tweed
Mar 5 2010, 10:04 AM
Hearing "Two" on Sirius this morning made me run to a stream of the Antlers album. Looks like I've found my weekend listening. Loving this.
Sid Hartha
Mar 5 2010, 10:10 AM
QUOTE (xoxoxoxo @ Feb 28 2010, 11:26 AM)
QUOTE (_jon @ Feb 28 2010, 11:16 AM)
It irks me when musicians do a cover and change the lyrics to reflect their gender, especially if it completely ignores the context of the song.
agreed
I was reminded of this point last night, listening to Bob Dylan's "North Country Blues".
- which isn't even a cover, come to think of it.
Dag Nasty
Mar 5 2010, 12:39 PM
I scribbled a lyric fragment from a tune playing in the background while I was on the phone yesterday - yes, I know I could Google it so go diddle yourself in the shed next to a rusty bottle of WD40 then cut your forearms in carnal shame before you waste keystrokes - anybody recognize it?
"I'll do graffiti if you speak to me in French What're we doing here if romance is dead?"
Ring a bell? Oui or non?
velocity
Mar 5 2010, 01:01 PM
I googled it--"Graffiti" by Maximo Park.
Dag Nasty
Mar 5 2010, 02:12 PM
But I...but...
UselessRocker
Mar 5 2010, 04:50 PM
QUOTE (xoxoxoxo @ Feb 28 2010, 01:26 PM)
QUOTE (_jon @ Feb 28 2010, 11:16 AM)
It irks me when musicians do a cover and change the lyrics to reflect their gender, especially if it completely ignores the context of the song.
agreed
One of my biggest pet peeves in music. I'm not even that big a Jack White fan, but I remember being totally annoyed with Joss Stone doing The White Stripes song as "Fell In Love With a Boy". She also mangled the song and made it sound like a shitty Lenny Kravitz tune, so that didn't help either.
Sid Hartha
Mar 5 2010, 04:52 PM
QUOTE (UselessRocker @ Mar 5 2010, 03:50 PM)
QUOTE (xoxoxoxo @ Feb 28 2010, 01:26 PM)
QUOTE (_jon @ Feb 28 2010, 11:16 AM)
It irks me when musicians do a cover and change the lyrics to reflect their gender, especially if it completely ignores the context of the song.
agreed
One of my biggest pet peeves in music. I'm not even that big a Jack White fan, but I remember being totally annoyed with Joss Stone doing The White Stripes song as "Fell In Love With a Boy". She also mangled the song and made it sound like a shitty Lenny Kravitz tune, so that didn't help either.
by contrast, Jack White does a very convincing read of "Jolene".
_jon
Mar 6 2010, 01:53 PM
Love that cover.
Holy balls, the Village People did a New Wave album?
samsquanch
Mar 7 2010, 10:11 PM
Watching this:
samsquanch
Mar 9 2010, 01:33 AM
i'm curious what that new wave Village People album sounds like.
_______
Mar 9 2010, 02:08 AM
i am not.
Duff.
Mar 9 2010, 11:57 AM
QUOTE (UselessRocker @ Mar 5 2010, 03:50 PM)
One of my biggest pet peeves in music. I'm not even that big a Jack White fan, but I remember being totally annoyed with Joss Stone doing The White Stripes song as "Fell In Love With a Boy". She also mangled the song and made it sound like a shitty Lenny Kravitz tune, so that didn't help either.
Pretty sure he wrote that from a woman's perspective anyway.
sunstung
Mar 9 2010, 12:27 PM
QUOTE (Duff. @ Mar 9 2010, 11:57 AM)
QUOTE (UselessRocker @ Mar 5 2010, 03:50 PM)
One of my biggest pet peeves in music. I'm not even that big a Jack White fan, but I remember being totally annoyed with Joss Stone doing The White Stripes song as "Fell In Love With a Boy". She also mangled the song and made it sound like a shitty Lenny Kravitz tune, so that didn't help either.
Pretty sure he wrote that from a woman's perspective anyway.
"Bobby says it's fine he don't consider it cheating"
arkin
Mar 9 2010, 12:29 PM
I pretty much only want to listen to Talking Heads this week. Really, it could be every week, but especially this week.
Complain
Mar 9 2010, 01:18 PM
Same as it ever was...
QUOTE (arkin @ Mar 9 2010, 01:29 PM)
I pretty much only want to listen to Talking Heads this week. Really, it could be every week, but especially this week.
shave
Mar 9 2010, 02:21 PM
Hypnotized by the last two minutes of Broken Social Scene's "Anthems For A Seventeen Year Old Girl".
bleach
Mar 9 2010, 04:53 PM
suppose you have to be a spiritualized nut to really get into this...it's a project some guy did called 2001: A Spiritualized Odyssey. As you can probably guess from the title it is kubrick's film accompanied by the music of spiritualized. first part has been taken down from youtube but is still active on vimeo. part one part two and beyond
arkin
Mar 10 2010, 12:33 PM
actually I think today it's the Police.
Vivian Darkbloom
Mar 10 2010, 01:48 PM
I am in the throes of yet another serious King Crimson phase, this time focusing on Red, Lizard and other mid-period stuff instead of my usual obsession with the classic 80's Fripp-Belew-Levin-Bruford output.
monotony
Mar 10 2010, 09:18 PM
For some reason I am incredibly excited about seeing the new Lady Gaga video.
samsquanch
Mar 11 2010, 02:22 AM
Is Trout Mask Replica Captain Beefheart's best album? If not, what do you think is?
Sid Hartha
Mar 11 2010, 09:02 AM
Dag Nasty
Mar 11 2010, 11:15 AM
QUOTE (Sid Hartha @ Mar 11 2010, 09:02 AM)
I almost bought a Captain Beefheart record last weekend when I was at Laurie's Planet of Sound...but I punked out. I don't know that I could name a tune of his/theirs on a dare but they've always been namedropped so heavily...their music makes me think of Vietnam vet bartender bouncers. Same with Zappa.
Sid Hartha
Mar 11 2010, 11:53 AM
I should post my Beefheart mix. That might be a good idea.
badger5000
Mar 11 2010, 01:46 PM
QUOTE (Dag Nasty @ Mar 11 2010, 04:15 PM)
QUOTE (Sid Hartha @ Mar 11 2010, 09:02 AM)
I almost bought a Captain Beefheart record last weekend when I was at Laurie's Planet of Sound...but I punked out. I don't know that I could name a tune of his/theirs on a dare but they've always been namedropped so heavily...their music makes me think of Vietnam vet bartender bouncers. Same with Zappa.
I always think this is the one to convince the unconvinced. The exact right blend of pophook and madness.
But
QUOTE (Sid Hartha @ Mar 11 2010, 04:53 PM)
I should post my Beefheart mix. That might be a good idea.
yeah, I'd say so
_jon
Mar 11 2010, 09:57 PM
The name's Poochie D, And I rock the telly. I'm half Joe Camel, And a third Fonzarelli. I'm the kung fu hippie, From gangsta city. I'm a rappin' surfer, You the fool I pity
badger5000
Mar 12 2010, 03:13 AM
QUOTE (Dag Nasty @ Mar 11 2010, 04:15 PM)
almost bought a Captain Beefheart record last weekend when I was at Laurie's Planet of Sound...but I punked out. I don't know that I could name a tune of his/theirs on a dare but they've always been namedropped so heavily...their music makes me think of Vietnam vet bartender bouncers. Same with Zappa.
ftr & fwiw I've always thought the association with Zappa is unhelpful and unfortunate. Yes they were friends/enemies/collaborators but the music doesn't often overlap. There is no smartarsery in Beefheart and his records are generally *tight* apart from some minor flab on the mid70s Virgin output )(and even that's alright). I don't mind Zappa like some do but imo he was not anything like the artist or the artistic achiever Beefheart was. Buy either of those records up there to get a feel, you won't regret it.
Pavement Ist Rad
Mar 12 2010, 03:46 AM
Lick My Decals Off, Baby is another contender.
TMR still knocks me out, though. Sure, it's sprawling as hell and all Zappa did was press record and let the band go. But that's 'cause that's all he really needed to do. A dauntingly long recording and yet in all honesty I could go for listening to a band that great for another couple LPs. None of what's there is unmemorable and even when I first heard it there was nothing that struck me as being "inaccessible" about it.
The dumbed down explanation of why the two guys are different, btw, is that Zappa was a musician in total obsessively intellectual control of himself as a composer, while Beefheart was a "non-musician" whose incredibly singular sense of creativity remains more unfathomable than that of almost any artist than I can think of, which people might say about Zappa but ambition and prolificness are bigger factors for him. There aren't many melody writers that I dig more than Zappa in his prime, but Beefheart is one of them. It's pretty fucking special when a dude with no conventional musical knowledge is able to sit down at a piano and have melodies like that just come out. And to then go and teach them to a group of musicians... damn.
badger5000
Mar 12 2010, 04:13 AM
OTM. That's what I meant to say but I was typing one-fingered on a train.
Plus Beefheart has songs about wanking.
Pavement Ist Rad
Mar 12 2010, 01:15 PM
Zappa might have a few of those, too.
samsquanch
Mar 12 2010, 10:59 PM
amazingly beautiful
badger5000
Mar 17 2010, 02:27 PM
Amazing scenes at London's Barbican Centre. In the name of art, a room has been set up with 8 plugged-in Gibsons and 100 feisty zebra finches. Like this.
Sid Hartha
Mar 17 2010, 02:58 PM
eerie similarity to this clip:
QUOTE (Sid Hartha @ Jan 20 2010, 02:38 PM)
My new favorite band
still, worthy of a bump
badger5000
Mar 17 2010, 03:14 PM
Doh!
Anyway, I went down there today. Not pictured here are the upturned cymbols in which their food and water are laid out and the mic stands used as perches.
Some of them have nested behind a fire extinguisher on the wall and, apparently, they had to shut the show for a while on Monday when one of them laid an egg on the neck of one of the guitars.
tweed
Mar 17 2010, 03:43 PM
knowing this is an ongoing public exhibit makes me want to book a flight.
Sid Hartha
Mar 17 2010, 03:50 PM
Nice to see they're working on new material. I'm hearing SunnO))) influence on this one:
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