Wow. They should just have this video looping on his tombstone.
If only the world were like Total Recall.
theminimumcircus
Jun 25 2009, 06:29 PM
Some things in life are complicated; Michael Jackson's greatness isn't.
TSLOW
Jun 25 2009, 06:30 PM
QUOTE (Rob Gordon @ Jun 25 2009, 06:27 PM)
understatement of the day: what a fucking killer dancer.
Rob Gordon
Jun 25 2009, 06:31 PM
السلام عليكم و رحمة الله و ب
Jun 25 2009, 06:40 PM
QUOTE (kiss_the_floor @ Jun 25 2009, 06:09 PM)
They say there's one in every crowd. Guess I'll strap it on and be it in this one:
Depending on age, Jackson means different things to different people. To me, he's the author of two great, amazing solo records and... that's pretty much it. Post-Thriller, I see a guy who tried to con American newspapers into running full page ads for the Victory tour free b/c they "constituted a public service announcement."
I see a guy whose phenomenal success came largely on the backs of poor, urban Americans, a demo he thanked by charging $120 for a mandatory four tickets to each show of that same tour. (In 1984, $120 for almost any amount of tickets, for almost any performer, was obscene.) I see a guy who believed his own hype and launched this ridiculous tour without ever bothering to make sure it would be worth the price (reviews at the time were almost uniformly horrible.)
I see a guy who went on to make two records which divide opinion (I thought they more or less sucked; millions disagree) and proceeded to disappear farther and farther up his own arsehole.
I see a pedophile. I see a guy almost wholly undeserving of the adulation he received in life and whose sense of entitlement was so far out of proportion to his talent that it eclipsed and consumed any good will I might have left for him.
I do not doubt his fans' and family's grief, nor do I wish to spit on it. I do not share it, however. Before we waft him into the halls of greatness, let's remember all of who and what this guy was.
Word to theminimumcircus: The day a kiddie diddler is mine or anyone's better is the day I eat the corn out of your shit.
so essentially you're locked up in your own head with no meaningful connection to society
TSLOW
Jun 25 2009, 06:41 PM
the performance right before his solo act at motown 25. parts awesome, parts painful and one part hilarious - the introduction of Randy at the 2:00 mark.
Some Brilliant Bullsh*t
Jun 25 2009, 06:43 PM
QUOTE (Ѡ҈҉Ѡ @ Jun 25 2009, 06:40 PM)
QUOTE (kiss_the_floor @ Jun 25 2009, 06:09 PM)
They say there's one in every crowd. Guess I'll strap it on and be it in this one:
Depending on age, Jackson means different things to different people. To me, he's the author of two great, amazing solo records and... that's pretty much it. Post-Thriller, I see a guy who tried to con American newspapers into running full page ads for the Victory tour free b/c they "constituted a public service announcement."
I see a guy whose phenomenal success came largely on the backs of poor, urban Americans, a demo he thanked by charging $120 for a mandatory four tickets to each show of that same tour. (In 1984, $120 for almost any amount of tickets, for almost any performer, was obscene.) I see a guy who believed his own hype and launched this ridiculous tour without ever bothering to make sure it would be worth the price (reviews at the time were almost uniformly horrible.)
I see a guy who went on to make two records which divide opinion (I thought they more or less sucked; millions disagree) and proceeded to disappear farther and farther up his own arsehole.
I see a pedophile. I see a guy almost wholly undeserving of the adulation he received in life and whose sense of entitlement was so far out of proportion to his talent that it eclipsed and consumed any good will I might have left for him.
I do not doubt his fans' and family's grief, nor do I wish to spit on it. I do not share it, however. Before we waft him into the halls of greatness, let's remember all of who and what this guy was.
Word to theminimumcircus: The day a kiddie diddler is mine or anyone's better is the day I eat the corn out of your shit.
so essentially you're locked up in your own head with no meaningful connection to society
So what you're saying is that you have no actual defense of Jackson, nor anything to say by way of rebuttal which doesn't include having a run at one of your favorite targets.
I'll listen to any defense of the man and his legacy which don't include personal attacks on the messenger. There will be very, very few of those.
Aerodynamics
Jun 25 2009, 06:45 PM
Maybe you should just start a "Bash MJ" thread, guy. You seem to have some anger that needs working out.
undo
Jun 25 2009, 06:45 PM
QUOTE (Rob Gordon @ Jun 25 2009, 06:26 PM)
There's others who share his opinion. From a friend's (female) comment on facebook
"i don't cry for millionaires who spike kids's sodas with sauv blanc to touch young penis. his music sucked, his lifestyle was ignored and he could have just paid for sex. He chose to molest. p-y- T !!!"
link to her page?
Rob Gordon
Jun 25 2009, 06:49 PM
QUOTE (undo @ Jun 25 2009, 07:45 PM)
QUOTE (Rob Gordon @ Jun 25 2009, 06:26 PM)
There's others who share his opinion. From a friend's (female) comment on facebook
"i don't cry for millionaires who spike kids's sodas with sauv blanc to touch young penis. his music sucked, his lifestyle was ignored and he could have just paid for sex. He chose to molest. p-y- T !!!"
link to her page?
No, I couldn't do that. Besides, she's a wickedly tough, attractive, artist in her 50's. She scares me. Ha.
Some Brilliant Bullsh*t
Jun 25 2009, 06:50 PM
QUOTE (Aerodynamics @ Jun 25 2009, 06:45 PM)
Maybe you should just start a "Bash MJ" thread, guy. You seem to have some anger that needs working out.
So, let's review:
- ripped off core fans on Victory tour
- invented "King of Pop" tag himself
- tried to bilk people into giving him free pub for his exercise in ego
- appears to have molested kids
And yet I have anger that needs working out simply b/c I won't participate in the collective dick-suck we get into for dead celebrities?
Sure. OK.
السلام عليكم و رحمة الله و ب
Jun 25 2009, 06:52 PM
she doesn't sound too bright Rob
QUOTE (kiss_the_floor @ Jun 25 2009, 06:43 PM)
QUOTE (Ѡ҈҉Ѡ @ Jun 25 2009, 06:40 PM)
so essentially you're locked up in your own head with no meaningful connection to society
So what you're saying is that you have no actual defense of Jackson, nor anything to say by way of rebuttal which doesn't include having a run at one of your favorite targets.
I'll listen to any defense of the man and his legacy which don't include personal attacks on the messenger. There will be very, very few of those.
what i'm saying is the basic reason why you're so bitter and delusional
Aerodynamics
Jun 25 2009, 06:53 PM
QUOTE (kiss_the_floor @ Jun 25 2009, 06:50 PM)
And yet I have anger that needs working out simply b/c I won't participate in the collective dick-suck we get into for dead celebrities?
See, you're kind of proving my point, right here.
In other words, you're jumping to conclusions a bit. A lot of people have a lot of nostalgia regarding the work of this particular performer/artist. It's no skin off of your nose to let them converse about it without unleashing obscenitiy-laced invectives, right?
Rob Gordon
Jun 25 2009, 06:55 PM
QUOTE (Ѡ҈҉Ѡ @ Jun 25 2009, 07:52 PM)
she doesn't sound too bright Rob
Trust me, highly intelligent....and acerbic...energetic...cocky...cute...elf like...and a helluva painter. Heavy maintenance girl.
Tony
Jun 25 2009, 06:58 PM
re: Thriller...can everyone agree that 'The Girl is Mine' and 'She's Out of My Life' sucked hard?
Aerodynamics
Jun 25 2009, 07:00 PM
So hard, there aren't even words ... especially 'The Girl Is Mine'.
Pretty much made me hate McCartney since childhood.
Hans Christian Anderson
Jun 25 2009, 07:03 PM
i remember when james brown died there was this clip going around of brown performing and then calling michael jackson and prince out from the audience to play with him. crazy that i'm now looking for that clip again barely 3 years later.
anyhow, what a damn shame. a brilliant talent and one of the greatest pop stars ever. so many classics to his name but this is my all time favorite:
spiritofeden
Jun 25 2009, 07:04 PM
Brainstorm.
shut up, you miserable piece of old homeless shit.
Only 15% 14.999% of those who go into Cardiac Arrest outside of a hospital survive.
HandBanana
Jun 25 2009, 07:10 PM
QUOTE (spiritofeden @ Jun 25 2009, 05:06 PM)
excellent tune.
There is a House Rmx of this (Sanchez? Terry? Hmm) that was a fucking floor-burner Summer 95.
Some Brilliant Bullsh*t
Jun 25 2009, 07:17 PM
QUOTE (Aerodynamics @ Jun 25 2009, 06:53 PM)
QUOTE (kiss_the_floor @ Jun 25 2009, 06:50 PM)
And yet I have anger that needs working out simply b/c I won't participate in the collective dick-suck we get into for dead celebrities?
See, you're kind of proving my point, right here.
In other words, you're jumping to conclusions a bit. A lot of people have a lot of nostalgia regarding the work of this particular performer/artist. It's no skin off of your nose to let them converse about it without unleashing obscenitiy-laced invectives, right?
See, I'm not proving your point at all. It's a thread about his death (and originally, we didn't even know he was dead...) but nothing in its title implies or states it's only a thread for people to say nice, warm-fuzzy things about it.
I don't care that he's dead, and I really, really don't care if my language offends you. Not trying to take a shit on anyone's grief. Just offering another perspective - one I notice cannot be offered without people getting as personal as I didn't in the OP.
I don't think you've been here very long, so what you cannot possibly know is the reactions are less to what I said and almost entirely to ME saying it. Not that anyone who posted what I did would receive a warm welcome, but there's at least a handful of boarders who could do it w/o having the entire thing become not a referendum on Jackson's career vs. his (more) egregious sins but one more chance to remind me of why I suck in so many crucial ways.
السلام عليكم و رحمة الله و ب
Jun 25 2009, 07:18 PM
how come you and vamos have the same arrested worldview
spiritofeden
Jun 25 2009, 07:18 PM
how does it feel to be the most miserable person on the SOMB?
Tony
Jun 25 2009, 07:21 PM
Aerodynamics
Jun 25 2009, 07:22 PM
QUOTE (kiss_the_floor @ Jun 25 2009, 07:17 PM)
QUOTE (Aerodynamics @ Jun 25 2009, 06:53 PM)
QUOTE (kiss_the_floor @ Jun 25 2009, 06:50 PM)
And yet I have anger that needs working out simply b/c I won't participate in the collective dick-suck we get into for dead celebrities?
See, you're kind of proving my point, right here.
In other words, you're jumping to conclusions a bit. A lot of people have a lot of nostalgia regarding the work of this particular performer/artist. It's no skin off of your nose to let them converse about it without unleashing obscenitiy-laced invectives, right?
See, I'm not proving your point at all. It's a thread about his death (and originally, we didn't even know he was dead...) but nothing in its title implies or states it's only a thread for people to say nice, warm-fuzzy things about it.
I don't care that he's dead, and I really, really don't care if my language offends you. Not trying to take a shit on anyone's grief. Just offering another perspective - one I notice cannot be offered without people getting as personal as I didn't in the OP.
I don't think you've been here very long, so what you cannot possibly know is the reactions are less to what I said and almost entirely to ME saying it. Not that anyone who posted what I did would receive a warm welcome, but there's at least a handful of boarders who could do it w/o having the entire thing become not a referendum on Jackson's career vs. his (more) egregious sins but one more chance to remind me of why I suck in so many crucial ways.
er ... you win?
User
Jun 25 2009, 07:24 PM
I wanted to mock or slander him when it turned out he was a demented pedophile. But I felt kind of guilty.
Some Brilliant Bullsh*t
Jun 25 2009, 07:25 PM
QUOTE (Ѡ҈҉Ѡ @ Jun 25 2009, 07:18 PM)
how come you and vamos have the same arrested worldview
asks a man whose username is apparently meant to be a reference to his great love of his own genitalia.
Some Brilliant Bullsh*t
Jun 25 2009, 07:27 PM
QUOTE (spiritofeden @ Jun 25 2009, 07:18 PM)
how does it feel to be the most miserable person on the SOMB?
]
Dunno - get back to me when you've thought about it awhile.
السلام عليكم و رحمة الله و ب
Jun 25 2009, 07:29 PM
QUOTE (kiss_the_floor @ Jun 25 2009, 07:25 PM)
QUOTE (Ѡ҈҉Ѡ @ Jun 25 2009, 07:18 PM)
how come you and vamos have the same arrested worldview
asks a man whose username is apparently meant to be a reference to his great love of his own genitalia.
what
petras
Jun 25 2009, 07:29 PM
Listening to that east village radio stream.....I don't know how someone can shit on this guy as an aritist.....say what you want about his personal affairs but as an artist this guy was on some higher plane of existence that very few ever reach.
HandBanana
Jun 25 2009, 07:29 PM
So wait.
kiss_the_floor is/was brainstorm?
I have no dog in that fight, just trying to context some of the back n forth here.
flinchy17
Jun 25 2009, 07:32 PM
QUOTE (kiss_the_floor @ Jun 25 2009, 07:27 PM)
QUOTE (spiritofeden @ Jun 25 2009, 07:18 PM)
how does it feel to be the most miserable person on the SOMB?
]
Dunno - get back to me when you've thought about it awhile.
"I know you are but what am I?!" A brilliant comeback in all forms.
spiritofeden
Jun 25 2009, 07:32 PM
QUOTE (HandBanana @ Jun 25 2009, 08:29 PM)
So wait.
kiss_the_floor is/was brainstorm?
I have no dog in that fight, just trying to context some of the back n forth here.
yeah, kiss the floor is brainstorm.
aka the homeless dude that spends to much time on SOMB.
but really guys,
awesome.
HandBanana
Jun 25 2009, 07:33 PM
Srsly guys, you need to get in on this streaming MJ mix.
3500 for a minute of mjs time back in 07. though if i was mj i would definitely take that offer, so i rescind my calling him a bitch.
also for anybody calling him a pedo, please watch this chappelle stuff:
Tony
Jun 25 2009, 08:21 PM
Bill O'Reilly's show put on hold and he's not taking it well.
Nick
Jun 25 2009, 08:53 PM
Never cared for his music.
Slackmo
Jun 25 2009, 08:55 PM
Deadophile
Tony
Jun 25 2009, 09:07 PM
QUOTE (Nick @ Jun 25 2009, 08:53 PM)
Never cared for his music.
Is it possible to dislike "Don't Stop Till You Get Enough"?
SallyCinnamon
Jun 25 2009, 09:13 PM
I can't stand him. Never could. But as an 80's child - I acknowledge that he was kind of a legend. A modern time Elvis if you will. So WOW! I guess.
elc
Jun 25 2009, 09:15 PM
remember when dero shat on zevon upon his death and lots of folks got all upset about it. good times.
mouthbreather
Jun 25 2009, 09:40 PM
It's finally safe to send my sons to Neverland Ranch!
geoneb
Jun 25 2009, 09:56 PM
8,000 people scored at least 1 point on the Rotten Dead Pool during the last three days.
Tony
Jun 25 2009, 10:16 PM
When Jackson burned his hair doing that Pepsi ad he was 25 years and 5 months old. He died 25 years and 5 months later. When he had that accident his life was half over.
ParticleHustler
Jun 25 2009, 10:31 PM
Man, what a day. Had a soccer game tonight that got stopped at half-time due to lightning, and while checking the weather on my phone I got this breaking news flash. I told my kids Michael Jackson died and my 10-year old said, Michael Jordan died! And then I corrected her and she was like, Who? So the wife and I proceeded to sing about a dozen of his most popular songs to mostly blank stares and shrugs. Although she did know ABC and Black and White (solely because Adam Lambert performed it this year on AI).
You want to talk about feeling old. But really, outside of his bizarreness and the child molestation stuff, what has he done since the mid-90s? Last relevant thing I recall is the Black and White video - wasn't that the first time we'd ever seen face-morphing? That was pretty revolutionary as I recall. So he's really not known much to the younger generation. But we spent a good hour on youtube checking out a bunch of videos and stuff. Turned out to be a kinda cool family night, in a way, teaching/explaining to the kids who he was, why he was important, and trying to answer questions about his life. Luckily, they are young enough that the child molestation stuff seemed to fly over their heads when it was briefly brought up on the news.
I definitely don't mean any disrespect to the guy, but I do have to share this - after the Michael Jordan comment from my daughter, I tried to explain who he was, and I called him a black singer/dancer and talked about his family, performing as a child, having the biggest selling album of all-time, then the bizarre crap about Neverland Ranch, etc. So when we get home from my game and turn on the TV, my daughter sees a picture of him for the first time, and says - "Wait, I thought you said he was a man. And black...?"
n.k
Jun 25 2009, 10:40 PM
Family friend hints at prescription drug abuse:
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