I am enjoying the Sunny Day in Glasgow more than anything else this year, but the song Failure off of said album is really fantastic. Technically it isn't stunning but they created an album full of well blended orchestration and a simple but unique way of warming up the electronics by playing them live and re-recording the original.

Anyway, check out Failure from Ashes Grammar. The whole album is extremely fantastic but that song is a good indication of what you will be getting into.


Also love Upon Viewing Brueghel's "Landscape With The Fall Of Icarus" - Titus Andronicus. Really great album all together.

Hearing the Words you Said - Larry Gus is pretty fun too. Cool sample work.

Have you still never heard a Beatles album.

All four tracks on the Autechre Anvil Vapre EP

You talking to me paves?

maybe the only thing that can pull me away from Weezer. a perfect brand of idiosyncratic pop. it's always interesting to me when drumming can drive a pop song.

Just realized that that song reminds me of the first couple Brian Eno albums, which coincidentally pretty much invented "idiosyncratic pop" as we know it.

Need to go back about seven years on that one.

show of hands: who knew where that was going to end up?

Unfortunately not Paves. Too easy.

God damn Syd's playing on that is amazing.

Well, I kind of agree, anyway.

There's definitely a line from Barrett to Eno but the latter was innovative in that he appropriated elements of the Floyd's early pop singles while in fact pointing the way out of psychedelia.

The distance between "Baby's On Fire" and "See Emily Play" is much greater than that between the latter and any given psych pop experiment by the Beatles, Stones, Zombies, etc.

Madonna - What It Feels Like For A Girl



The cheesy trance remix that was used for the "shocking" music video is also pretty great.

There's a line from Syd to all experimental rock acts, so that's a given. Plus, Eno wanted to work with Barrett. When you hear stuff like "Dead Finks" it's pretty obvious why.




I really don't know how all that far removed it is. A few more modern synths thrown in, some modern production techniques, etc. It's still inherently "psychedelic" IMHO. It's nice music to enjoy some of that too. Eno is still trying to blow the listeners mind, he's not making mainstream pop songs.




This doesn't make much sense to me.

Not a surprise.

ALL experimental rock acts? I dunno...

You should listen to the band Gong. seriously, you might really like them.

btw, that avatar looks like something out of Outdoor Life magazine from the 70s. (my grampy used to subscribe)

VU also. Here's a good clip to check out:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uO6zOZHpPkk




Yes, Gong kicks ass. They had a Soft Machine member as well. Their first album in 1969, Magick Brother is a hidden gem IMHO.

The Soft Machine was a fixture at the London Undergroun with Pink Floyd and even recorded two tracks with Barrett on the Madcap Laughs. Watts is still friends with Gilmour I believe.


Good call on Gong, pulling that shit out of the "lost files" right now.




Yeah I think that's where I got it from.

hey, that's a good analogy. I never made that connection before, but i can definitely see a similarity to Here Come the Warm Jets or something

i just saw some interview with Annie Clark on youtube where she says, "I'm such a fan of guitar that's....disgusting."

I love her.

Both fantastically good songs. OTMFM.

she's awesome. And it makes sense, especially when you listen to the crazy breakdowns in "Your Lips Are Red" and songs like that.

Only listened to their newest record once yet, but this song stuck out. Loved it as well.

Can't seem to get this out of my head today. Catchy as all hell



Sorry about the awkward video

please provide an example of this.

watch the vid.

Obsessed with
The Avett Brothers - I and Love and You
The Avett Brothers - Head Full of Doubt, Road Full of Promise
The Beatles - I'm a Loser
Matthew Ryan - Dear Lover

the thing is Monty, there were so many bands doing this before Pink Floyd, including the Velvet Underground.

here is a quote about the band The Misunderstood, you should really look into them sir.



and as far as I am concerned, PF didnt take it to the next level until AFTER Syd was kicked out. IMO.

Is what we're supposed to get from this sensationalistic clip saying that Floyd was influenced by The Velvets that...well, it actually means that Floyd influenced The Velvets? I don't get it, unless I missed something. I am of course laughing at the absurdity of your statement that every single experimental rock band was inspired by/takes from Pink Floyd, but also genuinely curious if I maybe missed out while something was buffering. Cuz that clip seems to argue against you.

And, of course, we've already established that Pink Floyd wasn't even the first psychedelic band. One of, of course. But you can't prove something like that, as the Elevators were making psych music (as per your own definition--music made under the influence of psychedelic drugs) at the same time, along with bands like--thank you, eden--The Misunderstood and The Incredible String Band. Just because you love Floyd (and I love plenty of their stuff, too--a LOT) doesn't mean that you can actually prove that they are "the best," the most original, or the most influential; nor does it mean that they are the most important band in the history of the universe. That's fucking INSANE. It just (possibly) means that they're the center of YOUR musical universe, and there's absolutely nothing wrong with that. Brian Eno is probably at the center of mine, for various reasons, but that doesn't mean he's gone back in time and inspired his inspirations to inspire him, in the future, when he finally started making music. Jesus, man!

Strangely enough, it's "Check My Brain" from the new Alice in Chains disc.

And on topic, I CANNOT stop listening to this song:



Stunning, to these ears. I got hip to it via this, one of the best comps I've heard this year or any other, this decade:

All experimental rock comes from psych rock, period.

VU and PF were the groundbreakers of this experimental rock. That is very well documented. While the Thirteenth Floor Elevators were no doubt pioneer on the American scene of psych rock, what they were doing wasn't even as close to as fucked up or "alternative".

I think you misread what I wrote concerning VU and PF. Two seperate entities existing at the same time, oceans apart.



Right, but they weren't doing anything close to "Interstellar Overdrive" or "Nick's Boogie", which was far more extreme at the time than some guy blowing into a fucking jug on every track.




You need to brush up on your history. I'm sorry that BBC documentary pissed you off, but Syd Barrett did take rock to a new level. That's a fact.

no one, and I mean no one was doing this in 1966:




Part II:



Check out 3:40 on part II where the thing goes itno what sounds like fucking rave music....unbelievable....



Psychedelic rock evolved in the 60s as an offshoot of the rock and roll movement combining elements of rock, electronic music, eastern influences - particularly sitars, and other diverse elements. Inspired by the use of mind altering drugs like cannabis, mescaline, psilocybin, and especially LSD, psychedelic rock broke with traditional rock and laid the roots for Krautrock and experimental rock genres of the seventies and eighties. In 1965-1967, The Beatles also were recording psychedelic rock with tracks like "Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds" and "Tomorrow Never Knows" to name a few, but were not strictly classified as psychedelic rock. Cream and Pink Floyd (with original founder Syd Barrett) embraced psychedelic music fully becoming two of the first truly psychedelic bands


What was being done was this commercial west coast hippie sound that unfortunately saturated most of the psych scene. Taking some blues standards and using fuzzed out guitar inbetween doesn't always make for the most exciting or interesting psychedelia.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychedelic_music


Psychedelic rock evolved in the 60s as an offshoot of the rock and roll movement combining elements of rock, electronic music, eastern influences - particularly sitars, and other diverse elements. Inspired by the use of mind altering drugs like cannabis, mescaline, psilocybin, and especially LSD, psychedelic rock broke with traditional rock and laid the roots for Krautrock and experimental rock genres of the seventies and eighties. In 1965-1967, The Beatles also were recording psychedelic rock with tracks like "Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds" and "Tomorrow Never Knows" to name a few, but were not strictly classified as psychedelic rock. Cream and Pink Floyd (with original founder Syd Barrett) embraced psychedelic music fully becoming two of the first truly psychedelic bands

Thanks, but you're confusing yourself with the BBC. Unless I misheard, I agree with the doc, which comes right out and disagrees with you, saying that The Velvets inspired Floyd. Also, "Overdrive" is fucking awesome. It is also fucking not the most experimental music of 1966, having been beaten to the punch by the at least equally crazy, possibly crazier (though not NEARLY as good, to my ears) Freak Out!, by Zappa/The Mothers, almost exactly a year before its official release (1967, I believe; see "Return of the Son of Monster Magnet" for what "Interstellar Overdrive" sounds like when robbed of its fun). It is simply good, experimental music which did the exact same thing that other people were doing, if to our ears more agreeably. Thanks for playing, though! Perhaps you should brush up on your history...?

What are you talking about? It never said that.





I like that album a lot but IMHO it doesn't sound anything like IO(which was recorded in Oct 1966) or NB, or Piper. I think you can definitely say that Freak Out was waaay ahead of it's time though(with unfortunate snapshots of lame humor). Kraut rock fans will definitely want to check that out though.

really been jammin to this tune as well.

and i honestly don't find Floyd all that much different from the other great of the day. i guess some of their songs were longer? lol.

IO was recorded in 1966. Nick's Boogie shortly after. Pink FLoyd was the headling act for the "London Underground", playing improvised experimental rock shows throughout 1966. IO is considered to be one of the first experimental, free form rock tracks ever recorded.

fixed, but not the point

Floyd was late to the party

^^^^

FACT

No, it was recorded as a demo in October, 1966, and played live in underground rock shows in 1966. It is considered to be one of first free form experimental rock track ever recorded:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interstellar_Overdrive

Interstellar Overdrive" was one of the very first psychedelic instrumental improvisations recorded by a rock band.

http://www.rockhall.com/inductee/pink-floyd

Pink Floyd’s hallucinatory presentation of lights and music at London’s Roundhouse in 1966 brought psychedelia to the U.K. scene. The group carried rock and roll into a dimension that was more cerebral and conceptual than what preceded it. What George Orwell and Ray Bradbury were to literature, Pink Floyd is to popular music, forging an unsettling but provocative combination of science fiction and social commentary. In their early years, with vocalist, guitarist and songwriter Syd Barrett at the helm, Pink Floyd were the psychedelic Pied Pipers of the “London underground” scene. In the Seventies, with bassist Roger Waters providing more of the songwriting and direction, Pink Floyd became one of the most influential rock bands of all time.

You're now changing course, so I'll call you on it. You said that all experimental music in the rock realm is derived from Floyd, and now it sounds like you're suggesting that Freak Out! doesn't count, because it doesn't sound similar enough to "Interstellar Overdrive." You are losing at your own game, here, unless you're retardedly claiming that "...Monster Magnet" isn't at all experimental! That makes no sense. It's a non-point to say that similar sounding songs sound similar. If you want to play the date game, then by all means go ahead. If you want to play the silly date game, then please explain to me how a record recorded in early March, 1966 (Freak Out!) was inspired by a song demoed in October of the same year and not released until almost a year later. Please, do go ahead. Depending on which of your conflicting statements you want to base your argument on, I'll be game to listen--will you side with "all experimental is from Floyd/Syd" or the vacuous "only music which sounds like Floyd/Syd is from Floyd/Syd"?

Also, Sid, I appreciate and deeply envy your concision and restraint. You said more than the lot of us with about 1/100th the words. If only I were less prone to irritation at flamboyant, if genuinely enthusiastic, stupidity and lack of perspective.

And man, do I wish that I could get over the idiot jokes on Freak Out!, monty. Ugh. Honestly, that garbage drives me crazy.

Tomorrow never knows was RELEASED August 1966.

also loads more psychedelic then IO. IMO, lol.

i mean, tape loops man. those Beatles were on DRUGS!!

....and the Beatles of course.



Of course it is. It's one of the first truly experimental rock songs ever recorded. But it was also on the American side of psychedelia.





ha...it's like you are arguing with an imaginary me, who says things I never said. I can't respond to that in any sensible fashion.





Are you having a cup of tea with Syd right now?


In no way did I mean to slight "Freak Out". It's truly an innovative record. I've always included VU and Floyd and forget about Zappa. That's a mistake on my part.

It had that tacky sitar sound though, which plagued the west coast commercial hippie music. Syd's version was something completely new and alien and lacked those cliches.

did you just called Tomorrow Never Knows a cliche??

also, you just posted this man. lol



and it was actually the Grateful Dead that plagued the west coast scene

Just because sitars are there doesn't mean you have to use them. And the Dead *saved* the west coast hippie scene.

BTW, here's Zappa playing IO with the Floyd in 1969( you can see him in the top center of the photo with his guitar).

yeah, your right.

the sitars in Tomorrow Never Knows were used in really bad taste............

Perhaps it would've been a good idea, then, NOT to say this and then spend a lot of time defending it...?



I'm glad that you seem to've abandoned this argument, at least for the time being.

I def stand by that comment.

so anyhoo....

i'm obsessed with That Petrol Emotion's Manic Pop Thrill and this song, their first single before that record:

Holy Crap. SOO Good.

I never heard of them before -- wanna point me in the right direction, simakos?

wtf?

never heard of that petrol emotion either... and allmusic tells me it's the brothers from the undertones

need to get on this

Perhaps I'm misunderstanding exactly what you mean, then? What debt is Syd/Floyd owed by Zappa, then, for "Help, I'm a Rock"? If any, of course. Not having at all having a go at you, here. I don't think I understand exactly what you mean, given that you're still standing by the line-from-Syd remark. Given that we have established experimental rock as existing prior to Syd and Floyd, where is the line...?