I saw it opening night and again the following afternoon. The second viewing answered most of my post first-viewing questions and allowed me to firm up my stances on various items. This film may not offer as many obvious opportunities for discussion and interpretation as, using recent examples, Inglorious Basterds and No Country For Old Men. But still, it ranks high. I'm disappointed that Shutter Island is getting such a lukewarm response. Is it Scorcese's greatest? No sir. Great film? I say Yes. Who has seen it and who has some thoughts?
Uncle Remus
Feb 21 2010, 10:01 AM
Saw it yesterday. Loved the look, the style, the whole work of the film, but, as I stated in Now Playing, I felt empty watching it. I was never much engaged by what was going on and wasn't emotionally connected to the ending arc. I'd like to say I'd see it again in the theater, but I don't see that happening.
Not a bad film by any means, but not a film I loved, either.
Tracy Jacks
Feb 21 2010, 11:37 AM
The trailer wasn't half over and I correctly guessed the main plot twist. How can it be good?
Asher Ford
Feb 21 2010, 11:46 AM
Because seeing a movie isn't simply about being surprised by a narrative line. Good filmmaking can also come from a director's ability to express new thoughts on familiar themes and plots, to develop complex and interesting characters, and to create visual art that enhances the narrative and is pleasing to the eye.
Uncle Remus
Feb 21 2010, 11:54 AM
with a director like Scorsese, guessing the plot or plot twists in a trailer isn't reason enough to dismiss seeing the film. It is for certain genre films or comedies (like The Hangover - understandable how people probably felt like the previews told every great funny moment in that film), but not for this one. I don't know. I love Scorsese enough to try and see every film he does in the theater.
Shackleton's Great Adventure
Feb 21 2010, 01:13 PM
for me, stylistically, Shutter was a 10. The composition of the shots, the lighting, the scenery, the sound, in terms of direction i thought it was one of scorsese's most fully realized movies. he shows complete control of the "mis en scene" in making his visual creativity and ideas work in service of the movie's creepy mysterious tone. storywise, the plot is engaging, offering plenty of thrills and intrigue while (usually) steadily escalating. ultimately it's conventional and certainly has recycled elements, though that's probably deliberate. the movie doesn't intend to be important or meaningful, it's a genre exercise and a very good one. it does seem to lose a bit of purpose in the middle, getting slightly lost amid its multiple threads, but even so at no point did i tune out. definitely a great time at the movies. dicaprio, ruffalo and kingsley are all top notch too. i wouldn't say i loved it either cause yeah, its fairly hollow thematically and emotionally (i cared about dicaprio but not to a great degree and you're not really asked to care about anyone else), but its a ton of fun. i'd give it an 8.3 on first viewing.
the RT score certainly isn't bad but i am a little surprised it isn't in the 80s-90s as the rotten/fresh is basically "would you recommend this or not?" i haven't read any reviews but i'd guess that like the above poster some viewers were turned off by some of the more familiar aspects of the story, but the film is so well-made and entertaining that i don't see that as a dividing line between good and bad, more between very good and great. i mean if crazy heart which is almost complete cliche storywise could get over a 90 this should too, island just doesn't have a career-defining performance. either way i'm sure it'll make a shit ton of money as the supernatural thriller/horror movie has been in style throughout the 00s and scorsese and dicaprio are as hot as they get in terms of popularity. plus i think for the common movie go-er this is a pretty riveting experience, word of mouth should be good. the theater i went to was packed and when the credits came up you could hear everyone talking about the ending.
shave
Feb 21 2010, 02:43 PM
Looking forward to this film. Just need to find time to see it.
jjh
Feb 21 2010, 04:38 PM
QUOTE (Shackleton's Great Adventure @ Feb 21 2010, 12:13 PM)
for me, stylistically, Shutter was a 10. The composition of the shots, the lighting, the scenery, the sound, in terms of direction i thought it was one of scorsese's most fully realized movies. he shows complete control of the "mis en scene" in making his visual creativity and ideas work in service of the movie's creepy mysterious tone. storywise, the plot is engaging, offering plenty of thrills and intrigue while (usually) steadily escalating. ultimately it's conventional and certainly has recycled elements, though that's probably deliberate. the movie doesn't intend to be important or meaningful, it's a genre exercise and a very good one. it does seem to lose a bit of purpose in the middle, getting slightly lost amid its multiple threads, but even so at no point did i tune out. definitely a great time at the movies. dicaprio, ruffalo and kingsley are all top notch too. i wouldn't say i loved it either cause yeah, its fairly hollow thematically and emotionally (i cared about dicaprio but not to a great degree and you're not really asked to care about anyone else), but its a ton of fun. i'd give it an 8.3 on first viewing.
the RT score certainly isn't bad but i am a little surprised it isn't in the 80s-90s as the rotten/fresh is basically "would you recommend this or not?" i haven't read any reviews but i'd guess that like the above poster some viewers were turned off by some of the more familiar aspects of the story, but the film is so well-made and entertaining that i don't see that as a dividing line between good and bad, more between very good and great. i mean if crazy heart which is almost complete cliche storywise could get over a 90 this should too, island just doesn't have a career-defining performance. either way i'm sure it'll make a shit ton of money as the supernatural thriller/horror movie has been in style throughout the 00s and scorsese and dicaprio are as hot as they get in terms of popularity. plus i think for the common movie go-er this is a pretty riveting experience, word of mouth should be good. the theater i went to was packed and when the credits came up you could hear everyone talking about the ending.
Like he said
ericmaloney
Feb 21 2010, 05:08 PM
I'm a little disappointed at how many people are saying "meh" in response to this film. It's everything Shackleton said. Maybe the problem is that Scorcese has set such a high bar and any film of his that doesn't totally re-define a genre, deliver career-best performances and blow people's minds apart is a letdown. A pretty good acid test of a film like this is what you hear while filing out of the theater. Are people asking questions and interpreting scenes, lines, and elements of the movie? Are people trying to piece things together and figure out what they think really happened and what was going to happen when the screen went black? Are you hearing different opinions, takes and interpretations and each one of them has some validity? Are people engaging in constructive dissections of the film? For me, all those questions come up Yes for this film. I saw it Friday night and again Saturday afternoon in a different city, and in both cases, Yes across the board.
Plus, Ruffalo was awesome.
Damo Suzuki
Feb 21 2010, 05:45 PM
It was pretty okay. An entertaining film.
Uncle Remus
Feb 21 2010, 06:09 PM
Eric - the main reason I know I didn't like it is because I wasn't asking myself or my wife any questions and wasn't pondering any single moment of the film. It was just a really expertly made genre film by a master. I wasn't expecting the second coming but I also felt so flat at the end of it that, like I said elsewhere, it bothers me. Once it was over I just didn't care much. And I can't say I've said or thought that about any other Scorsese film ever.
Tony
Feb 21 2010, 06:13 PM
QUOTE (Bhickman @ Feb 21 2010, 05:09 PM)
And I can't say I've said or thought that about any other Scorsese film ever.
Did you care a lot afterwards about 'The Departed' or 'Gangs of NY'?
Uncle Remus
Feb 21 2010, 06:16 PM
QUOTE (Tony @ Feb 21 2010, 05:13 PM)
QUOTE (Bhickman @ Feb 21 2010, 05:09 PM)
And I can't say I've said or thought that about any other Scorsese film ever.
Did you care a lot afterwards about 'The Departed' or 'Gangs of NY'?
Actually, yes.
The Departed, save for Nicholson (who I wish wasn't cast in that role and/or was downsized greatly), is still an amazing film. In that I was leveled by DiCaprio's and Damon's performances. Especially DiCaprio's.
and Gangs Of New York is a sumptuous, if flawed film. The scope of that film is stellar and there's so much life coursing through its veins.
ericmaloney
Feb 21 2010, 07:04 PM
Hickman, you god damned Socialist!
Tony
Feb 21 2010, 08:31 PM
QUOTE (Bhickman @ Feb 21 2010, 05:16 PM)
QUOTE (Tony @ Feb 21 2010, 05:13 PM)
QUOTE (Bhickman @ Feb 21 2010, 05:09 PM)
And I can't say I've said or thought that about any other Scorsese film ever.
Did you care a lot afterwards about 'The Departed' or 'Gangs of NY'?
Actually, yes.
The Departed, save for Nicholson (who I wish wasn't cast in that role and/or was downsized greatly), is still an amazing film. In that I was leveled by DiCaprio's and Damon's performances. Especially DiCaprio's.
and Gangs Of New York is a sumptuous, if flawed film. The scope of that film is stellar and there's so much life coursing through its veins.
Fair enough. Acting aside, 'The Departed' just left me with a supreme "Well then who gives a damn" aftertaste. All those double crosses and plot twists didn't illuminate the characters. Ever see the original film 'Infernal Affairs' that it was based on? It works better because it doesn't try to be a psychological study but just a simple genre film. The Aviator is my favorite recent Scorsese film because it sticks to just one character and his demons. It's not like storytelling was ever Marty's strong point anyway.
Uncle Remus
Feb 21 2010, 10:12 PM
I haven't seen Infernal Affairs but have meant to.
I loved the tension and the actors in The Departed. The story doesn't hold up on repeated viewings, but the acting (aside from Nicholson) holds up. Plus it bristles with energy.
Vivian Darkbloom
Feb 21 2010, 11:00 PM
Absolutely shit film. I'm ashamed of all of you.
Totally derivative and contrived plot devices that were so transparent and telegraphed that the only real mystery was whether or not he would be so unimaginative as to actually lead the film in the direction you suspect and fear he might. Leo is always a deplorable, one-note lead and this was no exception. Gratuitous red herring Holocaust overlay that just provided an opportunity for silly art direction miscues and frozen Jews as setpieces. The ending is such a cheap stunt (but again, so totally foreseeable and bereft of creativity or any innovation or imagination) that it feels like watching a Junior Varsity version of The Sixth Sense, except that in that film, you find yourself replaying the whole unreliable/ contingent narrative in a new light to see if it's internally consistent, like looking at a Rorschach backwards, whereas in this one, you simply marvel that the investment of two hours and eighteen minutes is so completely and almost spitefully unrewarded.
The cinematography was OK in places, but not nearly as groundbreaking and a "10" as the Shackletons are making it out to be. He basically found a dramatic and beautiful coastal island and some moody period buildings and filmed them capably.
Hated it. HATED IT. I mean, c'mon...
petras
Feb 22 2010, 10:40 AM
QUOTE (Vivian Darkbloom @ Feb 21 2010, 11:00 PM)
Absolutely shit film. I'm ashamed of all of you.
Totally derivative and contrived plot devices that were so transparent and telegraphed that the only real mystery was whether or not he would be so unimaginative as to actually lead the film in the direction you suspect and fear he might.
Considering it's based on a book I wouldn't say lack of imagination led him in that direction.
Shackleton's Great Adventure
Feb 22 2010, 11:28 AM
QUOTE (Vivian Darkbloom @ Feb 21 2010, 11:00 PM)
The cinematography was OK in places, but not nearly as groundbreaking as 10 as the Shackletons are making it out to be. He basically found a dramatic and beautiful coastal island and some moody period buildings and filmed them capably.
I didn't think it broke any new ground, just that it was fully realized and meticulous. the lighting and color were awesome throughout, it wasn't just shots of buildings. the scene where they first meet the german doctor, the rainstorm in the woods where they go into that little building, inside ward c, the cave, all the dream sequences... juicy stuff visually.
biggie mcsmalls
Feb 22 2010, 02:10 PM
QUOTE (Tracy Jacks @ Feb 21 2010, 10:37 AM)
The trailer wasn't half over and I correctly guessed the main plot twist.
Sounds like the book, which I thought was pretty terrible.
Vivian Darkbloom
Feb 22 2010, 02:13 PM
QUOTE (petras @ Feb 22 2010, 07:40 AM)
QUOTE (Vivian Darkbloom @ Feb 21 2010, 11:00 PM)
Absolutely shit film. I'm ashamed of all of you.
Totally derivative and contrived plot devices that were so transparent and telegraphed that the only real mystery was whether or not he would be so unimaginative as to actually lead the film in the direction you suspect and fear he might.
Considering it's based on a book I wouldn't say lack of imagination led him in that direction.
Fair enough. Lehane's lack of imagination deserves at least some of the blame for this horrible film.
Tony
Feb 22 2010, 02:53 PM
QUOTE (Vivian Darkbloom @ Feb 22 2010, 01:13 PM)
QUOTE (petras @ Feb 22 2010, 07:40 AM)
QUOTE (Vivian Darkbloom @ Feb 21 2010, 11:00 PM)
Absolutely shit film. I'm ashamed of all of you.
Totally derivative and contrived plot devices that were so transparent and telegraphed that the only real mystery was whether or not he would be so unimaginative as to actually lead the film in the direction you suspect and fear he might.
Considering it's based on a book I wouldn't say lack of imagination led him in that direction.
Fair enough. Lehane's lack of imagination deserves at least some of the blame for this horrible film.
I glanced at the book in the store over the weekend. Just one page was enough. Lehane is a hack of the first order.
Tony
Feb 28 2010, 10:26 AM
I saw this and it's fun to see Scorsese doing something so fundamentally trashy. Not a shred of Oscar bait. I liked it more than most of his films from the last ten years. The focus on one character made the shallowness tolerable (as opposed to the thin panoramas of Gangs of NY and The Departed). Mike Dangelo's review says it well...
QUOTE
Great filmmakers often do some of their best work—or their most interesting work, at any rate—when they seem at a glance to be slumming. Freed of any commitment to respectability, they can indulge, say, their penchant for visual expressionism, employing a palette so intense that it would be in grave danger of overwhelming a more grounded and plausible narrative. Certainly that’s the main attraction of Shutter Island, Martin Scorsese’s almost operatically moody adaptation of Dennis Lehane’s psychodramatic potboiler novel. The story turns out to be pulp silliness incarnate, culminating in a Big Reveal that alert viewers will already have guessed halfway through the picture. But it’s hard to complain much about the banal destination when the journey is so spectacularly evocative. Not since Kundun, his little-seen Dalai Lama biopic, has Scorsese conjured up such a nonstop succession of striking, unforgettable images.
As I said, that secret isn’t terribly difficult to guess, and one could argue that neither Scorsese nor screenwriter Laeta Kalogridis is trying especially hard to obscure it. Instead, they turn Teddy’s search for the truth into an extraordinary fever dream, in which disturbing remnants of his past—his shameful part in the liberation of Dachau; his wife’s death at the hands of an arsonist—burst onscreen at regular intervals in a riot of nightmare imagery. The dead wife appears to Teddy in a rain of ash, whispering warnings. SS kapos, riddled with American bullets, fall left to right in a grisly chorus line. Are these memories clues, or are they pharmacological side effects? And could any island or institution be this oppressively ominous, or are we seeing a landscape of the mind? Even the doctors’ cigarette smoke forms an impenetrable shroud.
In a way, Shutter Island became even more hypnotic after I figured out what must be going on, metamorphosing from an outlandish thriller into an indelible character study. (One performance in particular, which seems almost stridently bizarre at the outset, becomes remarkably canny once the pieces fall into place.) So it’s a shame about the expository third act, which places undue emphasis on the silly narrative by spelling everything out in detail so laborious that at one point it actually involves words written on a blackboard. I’d hoped for something a little more ambiguous. Still, if only more big-budget Hollywood movies boasted even a fraction of this one’s grandiose recklessness (reflected even in its score, derived mostly from avant-garde composers like Krzysztof Penderecki). The Departed may be the better movie overall, but Shutter Island, prioritizing mood and imagery over everything else, makes for superior cinema.
MattW
Feb 28 2010, 05:57 PM
I don't know why but while I know that the novel 'Shutter Island' was hackwork (just look at the title), I found it pretty enjoyable and relatively sincere given the stale plot formation and subject matter. The other Lehane book I read was his latest, 'The Given Day' which was worlds ahead of 'Shutter Island' and might actually make a decent HBO/Showtime type mini-series someday if the right director makes it. I wouldn't go so far as to officially label Lehane a hack, but I think about a year ago people got mad at me for hinting at the 'Donald Kaufman-esque' plot twists in 'Shutter Island
QUOTE (Tony @ Feb 28 2010, 09:26 AM)
QUOTE
The story turns out to be pulp silliness incarnate, culminating in a Big Reveal that alert viewers will already have guessed halfway through the picture. But it’s hard to complain much about the banal destination when the journey is so spectacularly evocative.
That says it pretty well.
petras
Feb 28 2010, 09:35 PM
Caught this today, I enjoyed it. All in all I'd say it was a pretty faithful translation of the book for better or worse. Biggest complaint would be the music, I could see that they were going for the sort of old time suspense score but it just ended up sounding too forced and over the top.
I don't know if I'd label Lehane a hack, his work is certainly disposable but I'm not sure it sinks to hack level. His books at least the two I've read fill that "i don't have time to concentrate on this book" niche pretty well.
Tony
Mar 1 2010, 12:06 AM
QUOTE (petras @ Feb 28 2010, 08:35 PM)
Biggest complaint would be the music, I could see that they were going for the sort of old time suspense score but it just ended up sounding too forced and over the top.
The soundtrack has one of the most extraordinary collections of contemporary Art music ever heard in a mainstream film.
Disc 1 "Fog Tropes" (Ingram Marshall) – Orchestra of St. Lukes, conducted by John Adams "Symphony No. 3: Passacaglia - Allegro Moderato" (Krzysztof Penderecki) – National Polish Radio Symphony, conducted by Antoni Wit "Music For Marcel Duchamp" (John Cage) – Philipp Vandré "Hommage á John Cage" – Nam June Paik "Lontano" (György Ligeti) – Wiener Philharmoniker, conducted by Claudio Abbado "Rothko Chapel 2" (Morton Feldman) – UC Berkeley Chamber Chorus "Cry" – Johnnie Ray "On The Nature Of Daylight" – Max Richter "Uaxuctum: The Legend Of The Mayan City Which They Themselves Destroyed For Religious Reasons – 3rd Movement" (Giacinto Scelsi) – Vienna Radio Symphony Orchestra "Quartet for Strings and Piano in A minor" (Gustav Mahler) – Prazak Quartet
Disc 2 "Christian Zeal And Activity" (John Adams) – The San Francisco Symphony, conducted by Edo de Waart "Suite For Symphonic Strings: Nocturne" (Lou Harrison) – The New Professionals Orchestra, conducted by Rebecca Miller "Lizard Point" – Brian Eno "Four Hymns: II For Cello And Double Bass" (Alfred Schnittke) – Torleif Thedéen & Entcho Radoukanov "Root Of An Unfocus" (John Cage) – Boris Berman "Prelude - The Bay" – Ingram Marshall "Wheel Of Fortune" – Kay Starr "Tomorrow Night" – Lonnie Johnson "This Bitter Earth"/"On The Nature Of Daylight" – Dinah Washington/Max Richter
Ned Nederlander
Mar 1 2010, 12:32 AM
Max Richter is fucking awesome
Shackleton's Great Adventure
Mar 1 2010, 02:31 AM
yeah the music is one of the best parts of the movie in my opinion. i saw this again yesterday and once you're watching it with knowledge of the ending it loses a lot.
like someone else in the thread said dicaprio's made-up conspiracy plot is much more interesting than the reality and when you're watching it the first time you can buy into the possibilities and intrigue of that narrative, but once you know it's all bullshit it seems like the movie is devoted to developing nothing. its just dicaprio playing out a fake fantasy where nothing has any meaning so why should we care what happens? ruffalo is playing a psychologist acting as a federal marshall? it's just lame. or the seedy drama of them investigating the disappearance of solondo, it's all gone on second viewing cause everyone is "acting," the movie scene by scene doesn't gel under the true premise. the visuals are still cool, most of the dreams and flashbacks are as striking, but once you know it's all for nothing they lose a lot of their ability to create the mood which i so loved the first time i saw it. if you liked it i would recommend not seeing it again.
petras
Mar 1 2010, 11:06 AM
QUOTE (Tony @ Mar 1 2010, 12:06 AM)
QUOTE (petras @ Feb 28 2010, 08:35 PM)
Biggest complaint would be the music, I could see that they were going for the sort of old time suspense score but it just ended up sounding too forced and over the top.
The soundtrack has one of the most extraordinary collections of contemporary Art music ever heard in a mainstream film.
Disc 1 "Fog Tropes" (Ingram Marshall) – Orchestra of St. Lukes, conducted by John Adams "Symphony No. 3: Passacaglia - Allegro Moderato" (Krzysztof Penderecki) – National Polish Radio Symphony, conducted by Antoni Wit "Music For Marcel Duchamp" (John Cage) – Philipp Vandré "Hommage á John Cage" – Nam June Paik "Lontano" (György Ligeti) – Wiener Philharmoniker, conducted by Claudio Abbado "Rothko Chapel 2" (Morton Feldman) – UC Berkeley Chamber Chorus "Cry" – Johnnie Ray "On The Nature Of Daylight" – Max Richter "Uaxuctum: The Legend Of The Mayan City Which They Themselves Destroyed For Religious Reasons – 3rd Movement" (Giacinto Scelsi) – Vienna Radio Symphony Orchestra "Quartet for Strings and Piano in A minor" (Gustav Mahler) – Prazak Quartet
Disc 2 "Christian Zeal And Activity" (John Adams) – The San Francisco Symphony, conducted by Edo de Waart "Suite For Symphonic Strings: Nocturne" (Lou Harrison) – The New Professionals Orchestra, conducted by Rebecca Miller "Lizard Point" – Brian Eno "Four Hymns: II For Cello And Double Bass" (Alfred Schnittke) – Torleif Thedéen & Entcho Radoukanov "Root Of An Unfocus" (John Cage) – Boris Berman "Prelude - The Bay" – Ingram Marshall "Wheel Of Fortune" – Kay Starr "Tomorrow Night" – Lonnie Johnson "This Bitter Earth"/"On The Nature Of Daylight" – Dinah Washington/Max Richter
Good music is all fine and good but it was still too over the top and forced in most cases. The music on the turntable when they first met the German DR was fine, but the music during the opening tracking shot as they are riding from the dock to the hospital was ridiculous. It was trying to build suspense but it was so loud and obvious that it was laughable.
Tony
Mar 1 2010, 01:57 PM
QUOTE (petras @ Mar 1 2010, 10:06 AM)
Good music is all fine and good but it was still too over the top and forced in most cases. The music on the turntable when they first met the German DR was fine, but the music during the opening tracking shot as they are riding from the dock to the hospital was ridiculous. It was trying to build suspense but it was so loud and obvious that it was laughable.
I think the incongruity was fully intentional to generate a sense of nightmarish displacement.
TaxiDriver
Mar 1 2010, 02:54 PM
Good music is all fine and good but it was still too over the top and forced in most cases. The music on the turntable when they first met the German DR was fine, but the music during the opening tracking shot as they are riding from the dock to the hospital was ridiculous. It was trying to build suspense but it was so loud and obvious that it was laughable. [/quote]
Totally agree with this. The music as they are going to the hospital is ludicrous.
Overall, this was my least favorite Scorsese movie in decades (though it wasn't terrible).
Tony
Mar 1 2010, 03:06 PM
You mean this music?
The 'ludicrous' music provided a counterpoint to the fake 'hard boiled' tough guy that the DiCaprio character thought he was.
TaxiDriver
Mar 1 2010, 03:53 PM
Yes, that music. It actually sounds fine on its own, but in the theater where I saw the movie, the music was so unbelievably loud, it was oppressive, dominated the images, and called attention to itself in such a way that it didn't, in my view, work at all.
petras
Mar 1 2010, 04:40 PM
QUOTE (TaxiDriver @ Mar 1 2010, 03:53 PM)
Yes, that music. It actually sounds fine on its own, but in the theater where I saw the movie, the music was so unbelievably loud, it was oppressive, dominated the images, and called attention to itself in such a way that it didn't, in my view, work at all.
My thoughts exactly. Just too damn loud.
MattW
Mar 1 2010, 05:13 PM
Preface: I haven't seen it yet
But if over-the-top music was such a dealbreaker, how do you guys feel about Hitchcock scores?
Tony
Mar 1 2010, 05:14 PM
QUOTE (petras @ Mar 1 2010, 03:40 PM)
QUOTE (TaxiDriver @ Mar 1 2010, 03:53 PM)
Yes, that music. It actually sounds fine on its own, but in the theater where I saw the movie, the music was so unbelievably loud, it was oppressive, dominated the images, and called attention to itself in such a way that it didn't, in my view, work at all.
My thoughts exactly. Just too damn loud.
Geez gramps, maybe you just got too damn old.
Uncle Remus
Mar 1 2010, 07:32 PM
The music was something I felt worked really well. I really must see this film again. I feel like I didn't give it a fair shake.
hinsey21
Mar 1 2010, 11:39 PM
QUOTE (Bhickman @ Feb 21 2010, 10:01 AM)
Saw it yesterday. Loved the look, the style, the whole work of the film, but, as I stated in Now Playing, I felt empty watching it. I was never much engaged by what was going on and wasn't emotionally connected to the ending arc. I'd like to say I'd see it again in the theater, but I don't see that happening.
Not a bad film by any means, but not a film I loved, either.
exactly my thoughts.....but something tells me i should watch it again
petras
Mar 2 2010, 08:54 AM
QUOTE (MattW @ Mar 1 2010, 05:13 PM)
Preface: I haven't seen it yet
But if over-the-top music was such a dealbreaker, how do you guys feel about Hitchcock scores?
I never said it was a deal breaker, I liked the movie. I just cited the music as a negative. I feel fine about Hitchcock scores, and I feel this movie was trying way too hard to evoke those older suspenseful scores. It just felt forced to me because it was so over the top in a few scenes.
monotony
Mar 8 2010, 08:24 AM
having had no knowledge of the book and having not seen the trailer, it took me a little longer to figure out the ending - i.e., midway through the film. I certainly enjoyed the suspense it had; the best part of the whole movie is the bit where diCaprio is wandering through Ward C alone - particularly when he keeps lighting those matches over and over. I'll admit to getting quite tense there.
But to be honest I would have much preferred a denouement where
the cave lady's story was real and the whole thing was just an elaborate ruse made up by the psychologists rather than DiCaprio actually turning out to be an insane criminal.
Then again, I'm a bit sentimental, so...
Didn't really find the music overbearing like others have said. More obvious and infuriating was the repeated use of horror cliches ("dark and stormy night", "mysterious experiments conducted in lonely lighthouse", etc).
Giant Panda
Jul 7 2010, 09:14 AM
I think Shutter Island is probably Scorsese's most entertaining film as it turns out. Isle of what they did with the book. It's some sort of genre masterpiece that spirals up its pulp roots to the purpose of asking why do people tell escapist stories and what do they mean in the world. I think it's an improvement on most of the stuff it rips off, possibly including Vertigo, which is high praise from me. It seems to have something to say about the era when this sort of fodder was most popular too. I like that it's not really a plot twist film either in that it telegraphs something weird is going on and suggests possibilities from the start so it doesn't matter how soon anybody starts to put that together because it's intentional and deceptively well crafted underneath the stunning visual things it does so well. The tonal shifts are clever and anchored in these transcendental visual reveries you'd expect more from Terence Malick or David Lynch than Scorsese. Combining that sort of thing with a paean to Hitchcock is inspired. There have been a lot of films that explore similar tropes but this is so well executed it almost feels like the logical culmination of a whole genre blossoming into art. Will get slated by some and deeply influence others - who time will prove right I suspect in calling it an instant classic. Sags a bit at one point but this is almost intentional as if to say well what does the plot even mean why does it make sense what is the character trying to accomplish and so letting the genre elements dissolve in anticipation of the real pay off which is startling but not because of the plot and attempting these kinds of shifts let alone pulling them off is just wow. Anyone who says they guess the end is just missing the point because it's all there from the start it's what Scorsese does with it and says this is the difference between a genre film and a drama and a stream of consciousness. It's the consequences of the revelation and the manner in which the plot elements are then reconstructed and the ambiguity of the ending which is powerful, not the artifice of concealment, which is earned because the material and the setting and the structure and the style are so fiercely complimentary. Possibly it's a film to admire the heck out of rather than to love but it certainly looked like a significant achievement to me but maybe I'm just a fan of this sort of thing. Lots of visual flair and well thought rhymes and winks throughout, but it's the scenes of realism that are more gut wrenching than the skilful horror schlock, and the thematic subtext that requires closer examination than the film-noir detective plot, entertaining as that is.
Duff.
Jul 7 2010, 09:47 AM
How odd. I saw this last night.
Don't much care that the twist was almost immediately apparent, or that there was a twist, was just hoping for a more nightmarish climax, a little more David Lynch I guess.
Giant Panda
Jul 7 2010, 10:13 AM
But Duff, didn't you think the truth about his wife is so serenely disturbed and naturalistic, it's more nightmarish than the paranoid, cold-war dream he wakes up in to escape it, even as he tries to wake up to the reality of what that truth is.
I think Lynch would appreciate the inversion. Instead of the characters themselves being inverted with doppelgangers in a mobius strip plot, the world itself becomes inverted by the mechanism of genre fiction, turning the psychology of the character inside out with it.
It's a meditation on what escapism is, and how trauma alters the world.
There's some very fine attention to detail too. Such as Ben Kingsley is an Englishman, old chap, not a German. It's very well crafted.
Duff.
Jul 7 2010, 11:18 AM
Yes yes, I get all that, at least in theory. In execution it just seemed like the movie shutdown so it could spend the last half-hour to explain everything.
elc
Jul 7 2010, 11:27 AM
I must be an idiot because I didn't find it all that easy to figure out and I was questioning it right up to the ending. Still wondering what his last lines meant.
Tony
Jul 7 2010, 11:29 AM
Regardless of whether or not you guess the ending it's still an engrossing and cinematically dazzling ride.
shave
Aug 2 2010, 06:42 PM
QUOTE (Tony @ Jul 7 2010, 11:29 AM)
Regardless of whether or not you guess the ending it's still an engrossing and cinematically dazzling ride.
Agreed. I went from not seeing any of Crazy Uncle Marty's movies two years ago to watching just about anything I could get my mitts on. There are a number of areas where I think the film is a little thin (ending is a little too cut-and-dried-- I would have preferred something a little grayer, and I would have liked some more gothic creepiness considering the scenery), but I was totally engaged in the film from start to finish. I also think that Mark Ruffalo doesn't get the love in this film. He's very good-- lots of hints that maybe he's not what you think he is, and then... well, he sort of is.
I completely UNDERSTAND the comments regarding the way the soundtrack is used-- it's very intrusive and the use of VOLUME was an interesting decision. But it paid off for me. (And the Dinah Washington vocal over the credits was killer.)
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