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Arnie's Plymouth
EDIT: Chargers release LT!
ladainian tomlinson let go by thee whales vagina (aka) san diego chargers 2-26-2010
http://gapersblock.com/tailgate/2010/02/fo...n-tomlinson.php

ESPN predicts top 4 of 5 picks are defensive linemen.

Westbrook released by the Eagles.

Combine begins this weekend...
nagode
if the bears sign peppers im gonna be pissed...not only does this guy have a history of a let up when he signs for big numbers...but with the amount of wholes this team has id rather get a few 2nd tier guys then blow the 25mm this teams has in cap room on 1 premier guy
n.k
I follow the NFL pretty closely (especially fantasy relevant news). I listen to three football related podcasts and frequent four or five different football related website. And yet I still have no idea what the fuck is going on with the CBA and uncapped season. Its so confusing that most of the annalists don't even know what's going on... or, if they do, they aren't explaining it well.
nagode
QUOTE (n.k @ Mar 4 2010, 02:27 PM) *
I follow the NFL pretty closely (especially fantasy relevant news). I listen to three football related podcasts and frequent four or five different football related website. And yet I still have no idea what the fuck is going on with the CBA and uncapped season. Its so confusing that most of the annalists don't even know what's going on... or, if they do, they aren't explaining it well.


i didnt know that the top 5 teams in the nfl have different rules they have to follow as far as going after FA's
n.k
QUOTE (nagode @ Mar 4 2010, 02:19 PM) *
QUOTE (n.k @ Mar 4 2010, 02:27 PM) *
I follow the NFL pretty closely (especially fantasy relevant news). I listen to three football related podcasts and frequent four or five different football related website. And yet I still have no idea what the fuck is going on with the CBA and uncapped season. Its so confusing that most of the annalists don't even know what's going on... or, if they do, they aren't explaining it well.


i didnt know that the top 5 teams in the nfl have different rules they have to follow as far as going after FA's

Its actually the final eight teams in the playoffs. Cards, Saints, Vikes, Cowboys, Ravens, Chargers, Colts, & Jets all can only aquire as many free agents as they lose. Which sounds completely unfair (especially as a Cards fan).

There's conspiracy talk that the Pats intentionally lost to the Ravens (knowing they weren't going to win the big game anyways) so that they can acquire as many FA's as they want.
nagode
QUOTE (n.k @ Mar 4 2010, 04:38 PM) *
QUOTE (nagode @ Mar 4 2010, 02:19 PM) *
QUOTE (n.k @ Mar 4 2010, 02:27 PM) *
I follow the NFL pretty closely (especially fantasy relevant news). I listen to three football related podcasts and frequent four or five different football related website. And yet I still have no idea what the fuck is going on with the CBA and uncapped season. Its so confusing that most of the annalists don't even know what's going on... or, if they do, they aren't explaining it well.


i didnt know that the top 5 teams in the nfl have different rules they have to follow as far as going after FA's

Its actually the final eight teams in the playoffs. Cards, Saints, Vikes, Cowboys, Ravens, Chargers, Colts, & Jets all can only aquire as many free agents as they lose. Which sounds completely unfair (especially as a Cards fan).

There's conspiracy talk that the Pats intentionally lost to the Ravens (knowing they weren't going to win the big game anyways) so that they can acquire as many FA's as they want.


rumor is theyre gonna get thomas jones which is a great fit for that team...

i dont buy however that they intentionally lost a football game
MattW
Ha, nice initiative AP.

I wonder if the rest of the league is going to realize that of all the 30ish at-some-point-great running backs on the market, Chester Taylor is by far the most valuable in terms of health and value going forward. I hope not, he's who I still want as the Vikings's #2 back. But I'd be fine with Westbrook, since he knows the system, can run a route, block, and will probably be more likely to stay healthy with a light work load. The concussions will make him relatively cheap.

My question about the free agent thing is what happens if a player is cut from their contract or retires?
nagode
looks like the bears are locking in on rolle...good move..

http://www.chicagobreakingsports.com/2010/...me-quickly.html

.now if we can van den bosch or kampman...deal greg olson for a 2nd rounder and trade that for boldin (which apparently the asking price is a 2nd or 3rd rounder!!!) ill be extatic

i think des clark will fill in fine on blocking and goal line plays and ive been really high on kellen davis

the panthers just released delhomme! didnt they just resign him last year to that huge deal?!

and what really suprises me is the chargers traded cromartie to the jets???

EDit:
apparently rolle is now going to nyg
Pat Sansone
So do we expect the Panthers to make a play for Vick now? Since Vick just said a couple days ago that he wants to play for Carolina. I guess this makes sense.

Also, apparently Bears are honing in on Peppers and Taylor.
nagode
the bears are apparently going to sign peppers, malamaeuna, and taylor...also the rumor is we trade olson for a draft pick to trade for boldin...

wow

even if we dont trade for boldin still a huge win today
Stan Gable
Could you imagine that offseason!?! Peppers, Malamaeuna, Taylor, and Boldin! Wow! I'd be ecstatic with the first three!
Bleep Blop
If you're going to trade for a WR, trade for Brandon Marshall. Or at least try. I know he's a bit of a fucko, but he's a beast and I would think he still wants out of Denver, esp. with the Crips after him for testifying against one of their guys.
nagode
QUOTE (Bleep Blop @ Mar 5 2010, 09:01 AM) *
If you're going to trade for a WR, trade for Brandon Marshall. Or at least try. I know he's a bit of a fucko, but he's a beast and I would think he still wants out of Denver, esp. with the Crips after him for testifying against one of their guys.


marshall is impossible because hes a first round tender...we dont have a first round pick to give up nor do we have a way to obtain one
nagode
chester taylor done at 12.5mm for 4 years....peppers will be 45mm for the first 3 years and then decreases after that
Stan Gable
QUOTE (Stan Gable @ Mar 5 2010, 08:53 AM) *
Could you imagine that offseason!?! Peppers, Malamaeuna, Taylor, and Boldin! Wow! I'd be ecstatic with the first three!



Holy Shit! I'm ecstatic!
MattW
QUOTE (MattW @ Mar 4 2010, 10:14 PM) *
I wonder if the rest of the league is going to realize that of all the 30ish at-some-point-great running backs on the market, Chester Taylor is by far the most valuable in terms of health and value going forward. I hope not, he's who I still want as the Vikings's #2 back.



Dang.

Great day for the Bears. The only way a Viking or Packer fan can spin this is, 'At least Jerry and Lovie are going to be here an extra couple years.'
Nick
Bears are still the third best team in the NFC North.
caley
Apparently Boldin is headed to Baltimore. And Marshall to Seattle.
The Overfriendly Concierge
I've got two words for you all.
Pittsburg. Steelers.

End of thread...
Pat Sansone
QUOTE (MattW @ Mar 5 2010, 05:04 PM) *
QUOTE (MattW @ Mar 4 2010, 10:14 PM) *
I wonder if the rest of the league is going to realize that of all the 30ish at-some-point-great running backs on the market, Chester Taylor is by far the most valuable in terms of health and value going forward. I hope not, he's who I still want as the Vikings's #2 back.



Dang.

Great day for the Bears. The only way a Viking or Packer fan can spin this is, 'At least Jerry and Lovie are going to be here an extra couple years.'


The Bears need new wide receivers and a safety. I fully expect the Bears offense to struggle again next year.
n.k
Boldin to the Ravens is a done deal. Apparently they gave the Cards a second and third rounder, which I think is sorta low. But I'm a biased Cards fan.

In other news, Big Ben is being accused with yet another sexual assault.
nagode
QUOTE (Tim @ Mar 5 2010, 05:56 PM) *
QUOTE (MattW @ Mar 5 2010, 05:04 PM) *
QUOTE (MattW @ Mar 4 2010, 10:14 PM) *
I wonder if the rest of the league is going to realize that of all the 30ish at-some-point-great running backs on the market, Chester Taylor is by far the most valuable in terms of health and value going forward. I hope not, he's who I still want as the Vikings's #2 back.



Dang.

Great day for the Bears. The only way a Viking or Packer fan can spin this is, 'At least Jerry and Lovie are going to be here an extra couple years.'


The Bears need new wide receivers and a safety. I fully expect the Bears offense to struggle again next year.


i expect the bears to trade out of a strength in TE to address a weakness in OL or WR

theres also word theyre gonna go after Otogwe which would be a great move to address the backfield...of course weve all seen what happens when the bears go after a rams safety before havent we...

also n.k. what is an avg AZ D gonna do now that they lost Dansby and Rolle? any chirpings down there?
n.k
QUOTE (nagode @ Mar 6 2010, 08:26 AM) *
also n.k. what is an avg AZ D gonna do now that they lost Dansby and Rolle? any chirpings down there?

Honestly, I am really scared. AZ has lost more free agents than any other team in the league. I haven't heard specifics on what we're going to do (I live in OR now, so I don't get local media).

The only bright side to this is that as a final 8 team last year we can only acquire as many FAs as we lose this off-season. So as Rolle, Dansby, and Boldin go elsewhere (sadly), at least we'll now have a chance to pick up some other FAs. It looks like it might be a rebuilding year or two, being as we'll have some extra draft picks. And, watch, as AZ turns into a run first team these next coming years. As much as I love Fitz, I wouldn't draft him in a fantasy league for as high as he's going to be drafted.
nagode
QUOTE (n.k @ Mar 6 2010, 12:45 PM) *
QUOTE (nagode @ Mar 6 2010, 08:26 AM) *
also n.k. what is an avg AZ D gonna do now that they lost Dansby and Rolle? any chirpings down there?

Honestly, I am really scared. AZ has lost more free agents than any other team in the league. I haven't heard specifics on what we're going to do (I live in OR now, so I don't get local media).

The only bright side to this is that as a final 8 team last year we can only acquire as many FAs as we lose this off-season. So as Rolle, Dansby, and Boldin go elsewhere (sadly), at least we'll now have a chance to pick up some other FAs. It looks like it might be a rebuilding year or two, being as we'll have some extra draft picks. And, watch, as AZ turns into a run first team these next coming years. As much as I love Fitz, I wouldn't draft him in a fantasy league for as high as he's going to be drafted.


most importantly LEINART IS YOUR QB NOW!!!

he made some steps toward the later part of last year but that would have me scared over anything
MattW
I still think it's way too premature to give up on or label Leinart. If Aaron Rodgers had been thrown into the deep end early like Leinart he would have probably had a similar perception going into the 2008 season.
n.k
Yeah, I hope you're right Matt. Though as of now, I fucking hate Leinart. For shit like this:



(Tell me he doesn't have that 'date rape' look in his eyes.)
And we he plays, usually the Cards games end like this:
nagode
you cant blame the guy for smashing chicks and drinking...you can blame him for throwing 3 picks in a game
n.k
QUOTE (nagode @ Mar 6 2010, 08:32 PM) *
you cant blame the guy for smashing chicks and drinking...you can blame him for throwing 3 picks in a game

The problem is that he's WAY more interested in smashing chicks and drinking than he is in being a good football player.
Bob Loblaw
There haven't been too many good days for Lions fans since Barry quit. Yesterday was one of them. After fleecing Jerry Jones in the Roy Williams trade, a successful 2009 draft, and a good 2010 free agency splash, they might actually be heading toward respectability. Add Suh and a good cornerback in the second round, and that defense is going to be much better than they have in years.
nagode
QUOTE (Bob Loblaw @ Mar 7 2010, 08:03 AM) *
There haven't been too many good days for Lions fans since Barry quit. Yesterday was one of them. After fleecing Jerry Jones in the Roy Williams trade, a successful 2009 draft, and a good 2010 free agency splash, they might actually be heading toward respectability. Add Suh and a good cornerback in the second round, and that defense is going to be much better than they have in years.


very impressed with the lions moves on the first day considering no one wants to come to detroit and was a big fan when they signed schwartz - dude seems to be leading them down the right path
n.k
I know coach Whiz is saying this type of stuff to make sure that Leinart works his ass off for the the starting job, but it still makes me even more weary of beer-bong Leinart.
Moo & Oink
QUOTE (The Overfriendly Concierge @ Mar 5 2010, 06:43 PM) *
I've got two words for you all.
Pittsburg. Steelers.

End of thread...

I don't know; not if Ben can't keep his hands off the college girls.
ParticleHustler
From Football Outsiders:

QUOTE
"Derek Anderson had three excellent games in the first half of 2007, against the Bengals, Dolphins, and Rams. In those three games, he completed 67 percent of his passes for 821 yards, 11 touchdowns, and one interception. Take out those three games, and he has been a replacement-level quarterback for four years now. Last year was his worst season, as he finished 42nd out of 46 quarterbacks in Football Outsiders' DYAR stats (minimum 100 passes). He's a low completion-rate, low TD/INT ratio passer who is capable of a brief hot flash but is really nothing more than a backup. He wouldn't lead Seattle back to the playoffs, and if he ends up in Arizona, don't expect him to come off the bench and lead the Cardinals to the playoffs if Matt Leinart falters early." - Aaron Schatz
n.k
Yeah, I think Anderson sucks. I think Leinart has better raw talent and at least he's been on a wining team with a fucking fantastic QB the last few years. I just hope up Leinart put in the studying and learning time under Warner; sotra like Aaron Rogers did with Favre.
n.k
QUOTE (Arnie's Plymouth @ Mar 10 2010, 11:08 AM) *
QUOTE (n.k @ Mar 10 2010, 11:55 AM) *
Yeah, I think Anderson sucks.



You might wanna start writing that check for $10 now wink.gif

Still not worried about it. As non-optimistic I am about the Cards season, I still think they are going to be better than the Seahawks.
MattW
So LT is meeting with the Vikes today and working out for them tomorrow. While this would be pretty cool to have 2008's projected 1 and 2 best running backs, I'm a little wary of giving him a 'comparable contract' to what Chester Taylor received. With the miles he has gone in his career, giving him $7 million guaranteed is a bit steep. He would be great on third down, picking up blitzes and catching passes in the flat. But maybe at that price they should sign secondary help instead considering Cedric Griffin is not going to be 100% next year.

But either way, if LT accepts a #2 role with the Vikings it will confirm my suspicions that Favre is in fact coming back, the organization already knows it, and they are just dodging the issue of permitting him to skip training camp.
n.k
QUOTE (MattW @ Mar 10 2010, 12:53 PM) *
So LT is meeting with the Vikes today and working out for them tomorrow. While this would be pretty cool to have 2008's projected 1 and 2 best running backs, I'm a little wary of giving him a 'comparable contract' to what Chester Taylor received. With the miles he has gone in his career, giving him $7 million guaranteed is a bit steep. He would be great on third down, picking up blitzes and catching passes in the flat. But maybe at that price they should sign secondary help instead considering Cedric Griffin is not going to be 100% next year.

But either way, if LT accepts a #2 role with the Vikings it will confirm my suspicions that Favre is in fact coming back, the organization already knows it, and they are just dodging the issue of permitting him to skip training camp.

First off, I agree that it means Favre is coming back, because I think LT is serious about only playing on championship contenders' teams.

Secondly, I would be worried if I were a Vikes fan with this move for two reasons: 1. The money you're going to be spending on a RB when you already have the best RB in the league (who's getting much better on passing downs) and 2. The ego that comes with LT. Will he be willing to be the number two behind the young gun? Or will he be poison in the locker room because he's not getting his?
ParticleHustler
Bengals sign Antonio Bryant for 4/$28M, no word on guarantees. They had TO in today, but I guess the thought of him and 85 together gave people headaches.
n.k
QUOTE (ParticleHustler @ Mar 10 2010, 01:22 PM) *
Bengals sign Antonio Bryant for 4/$28M, no word on guarantees. They had TO in today, but I guess the thought of him and 85 together gave people headaches.

I think the signing of Bryant means that TO is definitely not going to play for the Bungles. There was chatter that he was only brought in to appease 85.

I like the Bryant signing as they needed a WR bad, but the dude can't seem to stay healthy and Palmer has really looked great for two or three years now. But, if Bryant pans out, Palmer gets his long ball back, and Benson runs like he did last year the Bungles might go far.
n.k
Redskins sign Larry Johnson to a 3 year/12 million dollar deal. I don't see that going well. The Skins have lost all their young RBs (Betts, Ganther) to free agency and only retained another aging RB in Portis. I don't see LJ working out well in DC.

According to the Boston Herald, Wes Welker is rehabbing a torn rotator cuff in his shoulder in addition to his torn ACL and MCL. Reports now say that he may not be back on the field until around Thanksgiving.
n.k
Reports indicate that LT will sign with the Jets, not Vikings. An announcement is expected late today or tomorrow. As I said in an earlier post in this thread, I don't think LT could stand the fact that he'd be playing behind AP. With a gig in New York he'll be sharing carries with Shonn Greene and Leon Washington (though I think the Jets may move Washington now that they have LT). He's got a shot at a lot more carries in New York than he would have had in Minnesota.
n.k
Wow, apparently the Browns have traded B. Quinn to the Broncos for FB P. Hillis and two conditional draft picks. The Broncos now have an interesting situation at QB with Orton, Quinn, Chris Simms, and Tom Brandstater on the roster. I wonder who'll be the starter next year and which QB (Quinn or Simms) will be groomed to take over the reigns.
MattW
Not torn up about LT. I don't like giving RBs big money since they're usually made not born, particularly RBs at or over 30. It would have just been cool for the sake of it.
ericmaloney
The LT move is very interesting. On the one hand, how in the world can the Jets think he'll do better than Thomas Jones, who, despite being on the other side of 30 now, has been running the shit out of the ball? LT has been riddled with injuries and hasn't offered a case for himself as a full-time back during the last two seasons. But, the Jets offensive line can be arrested for assault and mugging every Sunday in the fall, and if Tony Richardson is still there as a FB... if LT can't prosper in this offense, he can't prosper anywhere.
ParticleHustler
Why would the Jets move Washington? He's a fantastic returner.

Not all that happy with the Broncos trade for Quinn. Maybe playing for a semi-professional team, he'll actually get a chance to show something in Denver that no one saw in Cleveland. I don't know. Seems like a half-desperation/half-placeholder move to me. I seem to recall all the pundits saying that McDaniel looked at all the tradeable QBs last season when they were looking to deal Cutler, and he settled on Orton and specifically didn't want Quinn or Jason Campbell.

Eh, football's a long way off. I'll just put all of this out of my mind until August.
n.k
QUOTE (ericmaloney @ Mar 14 2010, 09:41 PM) *
The LT move is very interesting. On the one hand, how in the world can the Jets think he'll do better than Thomas Jones, who, despite being on the other side of 30 now, has been running the shit out of the ball? LT has been riddled with injuries and hasn't offered a case for himself as a full-time back during the last two seasons. But, the Jets offensive line can be arrested for assault and mugging every Sunday in the fall, and if Tony Richardson is still there as a FB... if LT can't prosper in this offense, he can't prosper anywhere.

Yeah, the more I think about it, the less I like the move. The Jets released Thomas because he was due a little more than 5 million and then sign LT for around 5 million. IMO, Jones > LT. Maybe there was some locker room issues or something.

QUOTE (ParticleHustler @ Mar 15 2010, 03:34 AM) *
Why would the Jets move Washington? He's a fantastic returner.

Not all that happy with the Broncos trade for Quinn. Maybe playing for a semi-professional team, he'll actually get a chance to show something in Denver that no one saw in Cleveland. I don't know. Seems like a half-desperation/half-placeholder move to me. I seem to recall all the pundits saying that McDaniel looked at all the tradeable QBs last season when they were looking to deal Cutler, and he settled on Orton and specifically didn't want Quinn or Jason Campbell.

Eh, football's a long way off. I'll just put all of this out of my mind until August.

If I remember correctly, the Broncos were going to give Culter for Quinn + some draft picks. Looks like waiting a year helped the Broncos.
MattW
Brett Favre is (unofficially) coming back.

Book it.
ParticleHustler
QUOTE (MattW @ Mar 16 2010, 11:32 AM) *


They'll see that report and raise you this:

http://www.startribune.com/sports/vikings/...GEP7vDEh7P:DiUs
ParticleHustler
FWIW, I'll be shocked if he retires. I think he's known he's coming back since the Super Bowl.
n.k
Guess this answers the question of what the Broncos will do with their back QBs.
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