or at least change its name. Popular Music of the last 60 years Hall Of Fame. there is some right dummies getting in it now.
Full Version: Rock n Roll Hall Of Fame.
On the contrary, I thought this year's inductee list was one of the strongest in recent memory.
The Stooges
Genesis
ABBA
Jimmy Cliff
The Hollies
No complaints with any of them from me.
The Stooges
Genesis
ABBA
Jimmy Cliff
The Hollies
No complaints with any of them from me.
QUOTE (Campaigner @ Mar 16 2010, 08:07 AM) 
On the contrary, I thought this year's inductee list was one of the strongest in recent memory.
The Stooges
Genesis
ABBA
Jimmy Cliff
The Hollies
No complaints with any of them from me.
The Stooges
Genesis
ABBA
Jimmy Cliff
The Hollies
No complaints with any of them from me.
Exactly.
Though there weren't too many great moments in the ceremony. Pop did freak out some of the guests which is cool.
Phish did a cool version of Watcher Of The Skies.
QUOTE (Jigga @ Mar 16 2010, 04:29 AM)
Popular Music of the last 60 years Hall Of Fame.
I like it.
Totally irrelevant organization, though, yeah.
Not trying to antagonise, but I genuinely don't see the point of this in 2010.
I couldn't really care about the hall of fame inductees but the actual museum was a cool place to visit.
QUOTE (Mitchell @ Mar 16 2010, 09:05 AM)
Not trying to antagonise, but I genuinely don't see the point of this in 2010.
I'm holding out for 2035 when all these phenomenal "chillwave" artists will be getting inducted.
Oh yeah, I'm not knocking the museum or whatever. Just the whole voting process is a sham. The era of Rock and Roll ended more than 25 years ago, once they've caught up on their daft omissions from the past decade where do they go from there.
Who's going in from 1985-1990? Guns N' Roses, Nirvana, Whitney Houston, Sting, Pixies?
Who's going in from 1985-1990? Guns N' Roses, Nirvana, Whitney Houston, Sting, Pixies?
QUOTE (Nick @ Mar 16 2010, 02:22 PM)
QUOTE (Mitchell @ Mar 16 2010, 09:05 AM)
Not trying to antagonise, but I genuinely don't see the point of this in 2010.
I'm holding out for 2035 when all these phenomenal "chillwave" artists will be getting inducted.
Looking forward to those with Vampire Weekend and Clap Your Hands Say Yeah!
Or at the very least the "Why does Jann Werner continue to shut chillwave out of the hall?" campaign.
QUOTE (Duff. @ Mar 16 2010, 09:26 AM)
Or at the very least the "Why does Jann Werner continue to shut chillwave out of the hall?" campaign.
I think I'll email Jann asking if he thinks chillwave is too gay for his tastes.
The Hollies were just painful to watch/listen to. It might be the worst RnR HOF I have ever witnessed. (and I am a huge Phish and Stooges fan)
There's quite a bit of similarly thought provoking commentary here
http://marquee.blogs.cnn.com/2010/03/15/mo...e-snubs/?hpt=C2
http://marquee.blogs.cnn.com/2010/03/15/mo...e-snubs/?hpt=C2
QUOTE (Rob Gordon @ Mar 16 2010, 08:48 AM)
Though there weren't too many great moments in the ceremony.
Agreeance. Granted, I didn't see all of it, but I can't think of one. Brutal performances. The only thing approaching good was that chick's take on "River Deep, Mountain High." Who was that? At least she brought some emotion and seemed to actually know the words without the aid of a tele-prompter. Karaoke night at the RRHOF.
Artists who should probably be in the HOF but may never be (probaly need to suck Wenner's dick more) [Artists in bold are no-goddamn-brainers]:
Afrika Bambaataa
B-52s
Chic
Joe Cocker
Alice Cooper
Dick Dale
Deep Purple
Donovan
Dr John
Kraftwerk
Love
MC5
Motorhead
Rush
Barry White
Warren Zevon
Afrika Bambaataa
B-52s
Chic
Joe Cocker
Alice Cooper
Dick Dale
Deep Purple
Donovan
Dr John
Kraftwerk
Love
MC5
Motorhead
Rush
Barry White
Warren Zevon
Gooch, you forgot KISS.
Is AC/DC in?
Is AC/DC in?
can't close it until the class of 2019
QUOTE (Mitchell @ Mar 16 2010, 09:24 AM)
Oh yeah, I'm not knocking the museum or whatever. Just the whole voting process is a sham. The era of Rock and Roll ended more than 25 years ago, once they've caught up on their daft omissions from the past decade where do they go from there.
Who's going in from 1985-1990? Guns N' Roses, Nirvana, Whitney Houston, Sting, Pixies?
Who's going in from 1985-1990? Guns N' Roses, Nirvana, Whitney Houston, Sting, Pixies?
Yes, yes, maybe not, probably, yes.
Having seen Iggy's performance last night and the year he did Madonna covers, I have to wonder what inspires him more: a room full of sweaty, snarling maniacs causing all sorts of hell, or a room full of stuffy, rich business men in suits with their wives sitting and watching in awe/horror?
Why aren't The Relacements in?!??!
I have friends who get legitimately pissed off about the whole voting process/who's in/who's not in and it's just weird. To me, it's like caring about the Grammys. No one ever says "These guys are R&R HOFers!" in defense of acts or "These guys are future R&RHOFers!" about current or upcoming bands. They're kinda fun to speculate over and watching the ceremonies are good for maybe one or two good performances and some entertaining-in-a-silly-trainwreck way stuff, but it's largely meaningless. Most people don't remember Grammy winners or know who's in the R&RHOF, outside of the obvious educated guesses.
It was a cool place to vist, at least one time. I don't think I'd go back, though.
Had the show Tivo'd and finally got to watch it tonight...
godDAMNit were Iggy and the Stooges great. The "I Wanna Be Your Dog" performance was killer.
I really thought he was going to hurt those people in the front row.
godDAMNit were Iggy and the Stooges great. The "I Wanna Be Your Dog" performance was killer.
I really thought he was going to hurt those people in the front row.
QUOTE (OneTwoChaChaCha @ Mar 17 2010, 01:14 PM)
It was a cool place to vist, at least one time. I don't think I'd go back, though.
I thought the same thing until I went back a second time (my nieces wanted to go). It was extremely worthwhile-- they had loads of new stuff, their their curation (which sounds weird in the context of Rock 'n' Roll) is really top-notch. (Museum was crowded, but still easy to move around, I could keep an eye on my nieces, all of the A/V stuff worked, the signs were good and in readable spots, etc. The Art Institute could learn a thing or two from the RRHOF when it comes to dealing with crowds.)
NO!!!! I agree with Little Steven Van Zandt's statement that the Grammys and the American Music Awards are sucky. The Rock 'n' Hall of Fame is much better in comparison. When people make decisions by committee, there will always be questionable choices.
neil young to induct tom waits
Can't believe this whole thread happened w/o me thanking Mitch for defining my music's lifespan. Or telling someone to get fucked.
Let's use this post to consider both remedied, yes?
Let's use this post to consider both remedied, yes?
I went to the museum oh, about 15 years or so ago. Had a great time.....hope I can get back there sometime.
QUOTE (SOMB's Beloved Brainstorm @ Feb 10 2011, 05:46 PM)
Can't believe this whole thread happened w/o me thanking Mitch for defining my music's lifespan. Or telling someone to get fucked.
Quite, it's unlike you to miss a pointless opportunity to try and bait me.
I was postulating that there is a point which I think we've gone past, YMMV, where what Rolling Stone and The Baby Boomers think should be inducted isn't anywhere near as OTM as who they were inducting 25 years ago.
QUOTE (Jed Maxwell @ Feb 10 2011, 01:17 PM)
QUOTE (SOMB's Beloved Brainstorm @ Feb 10 2011, 05:46 PM)
Can't believe this whole thread happened w/o me thanking Mitch for defining my music's lifespan. Or telling someone to get fucked.
Quite, it's unlike you to miss a pointless opportunity to try and bait me.
Never fails to fascinate me how important you believe yourself.
You really want to go there, you really want me to look for how many times you've quoted me with the aim of provoking a response.
I'd be much happier if you made a habit of replying to what I've said, not replying to me.
I'd be much happier if you made a habit of replying to what I've said, not replying to me.
QUOTE (dice @ Feb 10 2011, 01:31 PM)
neil young to induct tom waits
That's a little surprising. I remember reading an article where Tom Waits called Neil Young's lyric writing lazy. Maybe Neil didn't read it. Or maybe he agrees.
QUOTE (Jed Maxwell @ Feb 10 2011, 01:59 PM)
You really want to go there, you really want me to look for how many times you've quoted me with the aim of provoking a response.
I'd be much happier if you made a habit of replying to what I've said, not replying to me.
I'd be much happier if you made a habit of replying to what I've said, not replying to me.
But what you have to say is so irrelevant except in what it says about you.
I do not tremble at your mastery of the search function. Though I am amused that you get to decide my intent.
According to what source outside yourself did the rock era end in 1985?
I didn't say anything about the rock era ending in 1985. For the second time I'll repeat that Rolling Stone's opinion on music from forty/fifty years ago is a lot more definitive than their grasp of music of 25/20/15/10 etc years ago. This isn't some really wacky theory that I only subscribe to, I think most people would rather read SPIN's Alternative Record Guide for the post-punk period to mid 90s than a Rolling Stone equivalent. Likewise a Pitchfork take on the last ten years is probably more relevant than Rolling Stone's best of 2000-9.
Like I said nearly a year ago who are they going to be inducting in 5 years time? 10, 20 years time? There's no mapped out path of obvious Rolling Stone approved acts like there are there.
This breakdown of 2003's The 500 Greatest Albums of All Time makes more of a case than I can.
* 1950s and earlier – 29 albums (5.8%)
* 1960s – 126 (25.2%) (with 7 of the top 10 and all of the top 5)
* 1970s – 183 (36.6%) (with 3 of the top 10)
* 1980s – 88 (17.6%)
* 1990s – 61 (12.2%)
* 2000s – 13 (2.6%)
A similar break down of 2010's The 500 Greatest Songs of All Time reveals that only c.15% featuring after 1985.
So the people giving the most credence to any suggestion that music got worse post 1985 are Wenner and Marsh.
Like I said nearly a year ago who are they going to be inducting in 5 years time? 10, 20 years time? There's no mapped out path of obvious Rolling Stone approved acts like there are there.
This breakdown of 2003's The 500 Greatest Albums of All Time makes more of a case than I can.
* 1950s and earlier – 29 albums (5.8%)
* 1960s – 126 (25.2%) (with 7 of the top 10 and all of the top 5)
* 1970s – 183 (36.6%) (with 3 of the top 10)
* 1980s – 88 (17.6%)
* 1990s – 61 (12.2%)
* 2000s – 13 (2.6%)
A similar break down of 2010's The 500 Greatest Songs of All Time reveals that only c.15% featuring after 1985.
So the people giving the most credence to any suggestion that music got worse post 1985 are Wenner and Marsh.
Is Marsh still involved with Rolling Stone? I didn't think so.
No, put he is part of the selection committee for the Hall of Fame.
QUOTE (Jed Maxwell @ Feb 10 2011, 04:47 PM)
I didn't say anything about the rock era ending in 1985. For the second time I'll repeat that Rolling Stone's opinion on music from forty/fifty years ago is a lot more definitive than their grasp of music of 25/20/15/10 etc years ago. This isn't some really wacky theory that I only subscribe to, I think most people would rather read SPIN's Alternative Record Guide for the post-punk period to mid 90s than a Rolling Stone equivalent. Likewise a Pitchfork take on the last ten years is probably more relevant than Rolling Stone's best of 2000-9.
Like I said nearly a year ago who are they going to be inducting in 5 years time? 10, 20 years time? There's no mapped out path of obvious Rolling Stone approved acts like there are there.
This breakdown of 2003's The 500 Greatest Albums of All Time makes more of a case than I can.
* 1950s and earlier – 29 albums (5.8%)
* 1960s – 126 (25.2%) (with 7 of the top 10 and all of the top 5)
* 1970s – 183 (36.6%) (with 3 of the top 10)
* 1980s – 88 (17.6%)[3]
* 1990s – 61 (12.2%)[3]
* 2000s – 13 (2.6%)[3]
A similar break down of 2010's The 500 Greatest Songs of All Time reveals that only c.15% featuring after 1985.
So the people giving the most credence to any suggestion that music got worse post 1985 are Wenner and Marsh.
Like I said nearly a year ago who are they going to be inducting in 5 years time? 10, 20 years time? There's no mapped out path of obvious Rolling Stone approved acts like there are there.
This breakdown of 2003's The 500 Greatest Albums of All Time makes more of a case than I can.
* 1950s and earlier – 29 albums (5.8%)
* 1960s – 126 (25.2%) (with 7 of the top 10 and all of the top 5)
* 1970s – 183 (36.6%) (with 3 of the top 10)
* 1980s – 88 (17.6%)[3]
* 1990s – 61 (12.2%)[3]
* 2000s – 13 (2.6%)[3]
A similar break down of 2010's The 500 Greatest Songs of All Time reveals that only c.15% featuring after 1985.
So the people giving the most credence to any suggestion that music got worse post 1985 are Wenner and Marsh.
great post mitch. makes a lot of sense when you look at those numbers.
Yesterday was the closing of the Springsteen exhibit after a long run. Should have gone. A friend went on an intuition. Around 5pm, half hour before closing time Bruce comes strolling into the exhibit to have a look around. He got a photo of him arm and arm with Bruce. Cloud nine experience.
Cool that they didn't cordon off the exhibit while he viewed and that he visited during hall hours. Of course at that time on a Sunday there weren't too many people left anyway.
Cool that they didn't cordon off the exhibit while he viewed and that he visited during hall hours. Of course at that time on a Sunday there weren't too many people left anyway.
QUOTE (Rob Gordon @ Feb 28 2011, 12:37 PM)
Yesterday was the closing of the Springsteen exhibit after a long run. Should have gone. A friend went on an intuition. Around 5pm, half hour before closing time Bruce comes strolling into the exhibit to have a look around. He got a photo of him arm and arm with Bruce. Cloud nine experience.
Cool that they didn't cordon off the exhibit while he viewed and that he visited during hall hours. Of course at that time on a Sunday there weren't too many people left anyway.
Cool that they didn't cordon off the exhibit while he viewed and that he visited during hall hours. Of course at that time on a Sunday there weren't too many people left anyway.
He was probably there to pick up his stuff. "You guys done with this? I'm gonna start putting stuff in the car..."
QUOTE (Johnny Feathers @ Feb 28 2011, 12:13 PM)
QUOTE (Rob Gordon @ Feb 28 2011, 12:37 PM)
Yesterday was the closing of the Springsteen exhibit after a long run. Should have gone. A friend went on an intuition. Around 5pm, half hour before closing time Bruce comes strolling into the exhibit to have a look around. He got a photo of him arm and arm with Bruce. Cloud nine experience.
Cool that they didn't cordon off the exhibit while he viewed and that he visited during hall hours. Of course at that time on a Sunday there weren't too many people left anyway.
Cool that they didn't cordon off the exhibit while he viewed and that he visited during hall hours. Of course at that time on a Sunday there weren't too many people left anyway.
He was probably there to pick up his stuff. "You guys done with this? I'm gonna start putting stuff in the car..."
Ha...yeah, I had that image too. Wouldn't be surprised if he took the iconic Telecaster/Squire hybrid that he holds on the BTR cover. That was part of the exhibit.
QUOTE (Rob Gordon @ Feb 28 2011, 12:15 PM)
QUOTE (Johnny Feathers @ Feb 28 2011, 12:13 PM)
QUOTE (Rob Gordon @ Feb 28 2011, 12:37 PM)
Yesterday was the closing of the Springsteen exhibit after a long run. Should have gone. A friend went on an intuition. Around 5pm, half hour before closing time Bruce comes strolling into the exhibit to have a look around. He got a photo of him arm and arm with Bruce. Cloud nine experience.
Cool that they didn't cordon off the exhibit while he viewed and that he visited during hall hours. Of course at that time on a Sunday there weren't too many people left anyway.
Cool that they didn't cordon off the exhibit while he viewed and that he visited during hall hours. Of course at that time on a Sunday there weren't too many people left anyway.
He was probably there to pick up his stuff. "You guys done with this? I'm gonna start putting stuff in the car..."
Ha...yeah, I had that image too. Wouldn't be surprised if he took the iconic Telecaster/Squire hybrid that he holds on the BTR cover. That was part of the exhibit.
Here's some shots just posted at the Rock Hall site.
The 2011 Rock 'n' Roll Hall of Fame show is being telecast on Fuse Network tonight. I watched the inductions of Alice Cooper & Tom Waits, but was not interested in seeing Leon Russell and Neil Diamond get their dues. Rob Zombie inducted Alice Cooper, which made sense, but instead of inducting Darlene Love, Bette Milder should have inducted Tom Waits because she did sing with him on at least one occasion. When the Alice Cooper band performed School's Out, kids were singing along decked out in makeup a la Alice, which I thought was a nice touch.
neil diamond's speech is actually pretty funny. he's completely jetlagged and not taking it seriously.
This is a "lo-fi" version of our main content. To view the full version with more information, formatting and images, please click here.