What?

They hate freedom? What does that mean?

They have a lot of catching up to do before they can come close to Christians. We invented this shit.

It does not need to be explained. Look at the Taliban government.



What the hell are you talking about? Make one connection.

What Muslim country has the constitution where it says at one moment that everyone has freedom of religion and the next says that anyone who attempts to leave the Islamic faith will be killed?

well, it certainly appears as if they're trying very hard.

Here's hoping that they evolove out of this stuff like Christians did LIKE 500 YEARS AGO! They are just prehistoric, the Muslims want to set the world back centuries. Good luck with that, camel humpers.

No, The Taliban actively opressed people. Car bombers in Iraq aren't opressing anyone. They are under a deluded impression that by blowing themselves up they are making their people more free. So again how are these people hating freedom, surely they want to be free from the western world getting involved.

"They hate freedom" is a stupid Bush-ism that means nothing in the real world. If they wanted to attack free societies there are plenty of countries in Europe who are more liberal.

themselves and 71 fellow citizens today...

but it's early.

Informative.

Collateral damage.

no, they were the targets. Nice try, though.

I've never even heard of that site



have you ever thought that the people of Iran don't want the freedom to watch The Littlest Groom?

it'd be nice to have the option, though...

I'm sure they would have Celebrity Stoning if they could.

OK. The Nation doesn't count...



Last statement is funny.

Let's just spin the globe and drop a nuke somewhere, that should help. Back when i was in the service they used to call me "Duke Nukem" because I was responsible for the Hiroshima and Nagasaki bombings. I also fought aliens in California but that's a story for another day.

I'd also add that we're not talking about people killing indiscriminantly exactly. The mosques are cited as gathering points and we're talking about sunni's versus shitte's here. This is old world hatred that's been oppressed for years and while it's not true across the board. We're clearly in the middle of it cause we opened this can of worms.

How is this the worst in your mind? Do you have no sense of history at all? Between the
geocides and the holocaust. I'd say the annhilation of humanity by its own hands has been done a hundred times over and it was hardly by musilms alone. They're just the latest casualty.

We've given them the freedom to be crazy assholes that they've been craving for years.

They got a long way to go before they match Pol Pot in terms of sheer killing power.

They got a long way to go before they match the Church for overall mind control skills.

They got a long way to go before they match the Pogroms of the early 20th century for sheer brutality.

They got a long way to go before they become the dominant force in our world. They're killing each other, and keeping the bad blood alive.

I was inclined at first to believe that this was the work of Sunnis. But the fact that this mosque was apparently the seat of worship for SCIRI, which has emerged as the primary rival to Jaafari, raises the question of whether this was the work of Jaafari supporters. Then again, it's possible that Sunnis did this with the hope of inciting anti-Jaafari sentiment (as they'd think he'd be the one to take the blame), as SCIRI is perceived to be less beholden to the Sadr and the Shia militias that have preyed on Sunnis amid the surge of sectarian violence.

What does this all mean? Chaos.

I'm sure they'll come around. Hey, when you think about it. This is really what we wanted. They're killing each other and leaving us alone. Isn't that what americans really wants?!

Brilliant analysis. You're right. It's an ages old conflict that has been surpressed and is now exploding. I never thought of it like that.

You're right, there have been a lot worse when you think about it.

I'm sorry, but what does he have to do with it?

Could be true...

I believe this to be the case. No way all these military and intelligence guys didn't see this coming. All this "there's no civil war" bullshit is a smokescreen.

Great distraction from the China problem.



In as controlled environment as one could hope for with a strong military presence that can operate pretty much as it sees fit. Yeah.

Sounds like a civil war to me.

Yeah to me, too. And to all the guys on TV that say there isn't one. They're getting what they bargained for all along: Civil war in Iraq that comes with a built in excuse to fuck with Syria and Iran. Keeping all the assholes in the region focused in one spot. Distracting the populus from the real threat to America, China.

These guys (Bush, Cheney, Wolfowitz, whoever is really calling the shots) aren't nearly as stupid as people would like to think they are.

Sorry, I've drifted quite a bit from the original point of your thread.

Pretty much agree that the extremists are cocksuckers, but not the worst the world has ever known.

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Why not? It's perfect for them. Keeps the assholes focused where we have a strong military focus, and hopefully pulls Syria and Iran into the mix in a more overt fashion. It puts Wolfowitz's domino thing into action. I don't see any reason they wouldn't want that and didn't know it was going to happen going in. I know they claimed going in that they didn't want it and that they deny it's existance now, but I think they just lied to get what they want. What am I missing?

I have a friend living in China right now. He's there teaching English at their top engineering school. It's part of their preparation to become major global players, making sure that their educated class has a grip on conversational English. He was telling me how they purposely devalue their currency against the dollar to sucker American businesses in. Wonder what will happen to the global economy when they stop doing that. We'll be seriously fucked up, but they probably will, too. At some point the power dynamic will have to flip-flop, right? Where they hold all the cards in trade deals and stuff? Has that already happened?

Interesting. But, the domino effect had to do with Iraq stabilizing and causing an Iranian student revolution. Bringing democracy to the country in a stable form is key to the American success there. They do NOT want a civil war also because what's happening in Gaza will be 100xs bigger there.

Not sure on the China thing. I don't know. I do know that they are going to be the next superpower, but you can't forget this period of the USA being the LONE superpower has been brief. There can be two, three, four. There does not have to be one. You can't forget about the EU, either.

Yeah, that makes sense.

I must have misread the Wolfowitz thing. I thought the point was to cause a power vacuum that would fuck the region up, facilitating regime change in other countries.

The Wolfowitz thing is:

There are tons of un-recorded, no-voice moderate Muslims who want change. They are angry at the West precisely BECAUSE we never stepped in before this. It is our apathy, according the Bernard Lewis (Wolfies mentor) that they hate the most. They see atrocities in EU addressed right away, but a blind eye, and even support for, despots who do the same in the ME. The thought here was that these people would see voting, see democracy, and over throw the Mullahcracy from within. The problem is Iran knows it, is going to throw Iraq into chaos, and clamp down the screws at home. So, you see my posts? They illustrate that the USA has changed policy away from Iraq. They are now hitting Iran where it hurts: messing up their ability to attack Israel and trying to actively start the revolution from the inside of Iran, and not only the outside.

Hahahaha. I totally had that thing backwards. Wonder how the fuck that happened? Maybe I should remove myself from that moveon.org news service.

Let's all just thank our lucky stars that we live in America and can sit in the comfort of our homes and pontificate about all this madness while getting sloshed on cheap cabernet.

Totally.

HELL EXPLAINED BY CHEMISTRY STUDENT

The following is an actual question given on a University of Washington chemistry mid-term.

The answer by one student was so "profound" that the professor shared it with colleagues, via the Internet, which is, of course, why we now have the pleasure of enjoying it as well :

Bonus Question: Is Hell exothermic (gives off heat) or endothermic (absorbs heat)?

Most of the students wrote proofs of their beliefs using Boyle's Law (gas cools when it expands and heats when it is compressed) or some variant.

One student, however, wrote the following:

First, we need to know how the mass of Hell is changing in time. So we need to know the rate at which souls are moving into Hell and the rate at which they are leaving. I think that we can safely assume that once a soul gets to Hell, it will not leave. Therefore, no souls are leaving. As for how many souls are entering Hell, let's look at the different religions that exist in the world today. Most of these religions state that if you are not a member of their religion, you will go to Hell. Since there is more than one of these religions and since people do not belong to more than one religion, we can project that all souls go to Hell. With birth and death rates as they are, we can expect the number of souls in Hell to increase exponentially. Now, we look at the rate of change of the volume in Hell because Boyle's Law states that in order for the temperature and pressure in Hell to stay the same, the volume of Hell has to expand proportionately as souls are added.

This gives two possibilities:

1. If Hell is expanding at a slower rate than the rate at which souls enter Hell, then the temperature and pressure in Hell will increase until all Hell breaks loose.

2. If Hell is expanding at a rate faster than the increase of souls in Hell, then the temperature and pressure will drop until Hell freezes over.

So which is it?

If we accept the postulate given to me by Teresa during my Freshman year that, "It will be a cold day in Hell before I sleep with you," and take into account the fact that I slept with her last night, then number two must be true, and thus I am sure that Hell is exothermic and has already frozen over. The corollary of this theory is that since Hell has frozen over, it follows that it is not accepting any more souls and is therefore, extinct......leaving only Heaven, thereby proving the existence of a divine being which explains why, last night, Teresa kept shouting "Oh my God."

THIS STUDENT RECEIVED THE ONLY "A"