Go away, Brett. You're too old, let go, it's over. Nobody listens to techno.



If I had time, I'd Photoshop a football in place of poor Yorick's skull.

Best quarterback ever.

Is it sad that when I read this I immediately thought of BHickman instead of the guy we're talking about? Whoops.

Because they're both named Brett, right?

Yeah.

That's ridiculous. Joe Montana was the best there ever was.

Wrong, I'm the best there ever was.

Exactly.

He certainly was the best Super Bowl quarterback ever, but he wasn't better than Favre, Elway, Marino or even Bradshaw.

Wrong again.

You're really on a roll this morning, Nick. Keep up the good work.

We don't understand. Why is Brett Favre dressed that way?

I'd be willing to offer that isn't even the best QB in 49ers history. That'd be Steve Young. You clearly have an affinity for Montana, which is fine, as he was a great player and all around decent guy. But he'd be lucky to crack the top 5 in a 'Best of All Time' list.



If you had a top of the line riding mower and a mansion in Mississippi what would you wear?

How he compare to Tom Brady?

I refuse to discuss Tom Brady.

What about Johnny Unitas? Now there's a haircut you could set a watch to!

Ah, Steve Young. Yet another QB who was better than Favre.

You really should quit while you are ahead, Nick. As you name all these QB's, your man just gets pushed further and further down the All-time list. He might not even be in the top 10 by the time you finish posting to this thread.

I disagree. Naming all these great QBs, with the realization that Favre was/is better than all of them, only places him on that much higher of a pedestal.

Warren Moon > Joe Montana

+-------------------------------------+-------------------+
Favre 1991-2005 | Passing | Rushing
+----------+-----+------------------------------------------------+-------------------+
| Year TM | G | Comp Att PCT YD Y/A TD INT | Att Yards TD
+----------+-----+-------------------------------------------------+-----------------+
| TOTAL | 225 | 4678 7612 61.5 53615 7.0 396 255 | 503 1745 12


+---------------------------------------+-----------------+
Montana 1979-94 | Passing | Rushing
+----------+-----+------------------------------------------------+-------------------+
| Year TM | G | Comp Att PCT YD Y/A TD INT | Att Yards TD
+----------+-----+-------------------------------------------------+-----------------+
| TOTAL | 192 | 3409 5391 63.2 40551 7.5 273 139 | 457 1676 20


+-------------------------------------+-------------------+
Young 1985-99 | Passing | Rushing
+----------+-----+------------------------------------------------+-------------------+
| Year TM | G | Comp Att PCT YD Y/A TD INT | Att Yards TD
+----------+-----+-------------------------------------------------+-----------------+
| TOTAL | 169 | 2667 4149 64.3 33124 8.0 232 107 | 722 4239 43 |
+----------+-----+-------------------------------------------------+-----------------+

Hm! I hadn't realized how well Young stacks up to Montana.

+---------------------------------------+-----------------+
Moon 1984-2000 | Passing | Rushing |
+----------+-----+---------------------------------------+-----------------+
| Year TM | G | Comp Att PCT YD Y/A TD INT | Att Yards TD |
+----------+-----+---------------------------------------+-----------------+
| TOTAL | 208 | 3988 6823 58.4 49325 7.2 291 233 | 543 1736 22 |
+----------+-----+---------------------------------------+-----------------+

linky

Good work, V.


How was opening day?

I'm not a Joe fan but how you don't put him number 1 is beyond me

greatness is defined by championships

of which Marino got NONE

My list

Montana

Unitas ( great qb champion and TOUGHEST QB ever)

Bradshaw ( hard to argue about the 4 trophies though he was lucky too have such a great team)

Tom Brady ( you might not want to discuss him but w/o him no way is NEW England winning a Super Bowl) on the other hand Miami if they had traded Marino when they could of still got something for him might have we willl never know)

Elway ( W/O the Super Bowl he'd be with Marino but he finally did get a Trophy then another 1)

Favre and Aikman would be tied for 6th

and Steve Young??? He won with Montanas team that team was so good it would of been hard to lose with Cryin' Ryan Leaf at QB

and no matter how good Payton is in the regular season it is all for not, he will never win the big game he doesn't have the mental strength. When things go bad he cries, blames his team he's a horrible teammate.

winners like Montana, Brady and unitas would never point fingers.

Look my favorite QB of all time is Randall Cunningham until Vick no one player has ever been as exciting as Randall but he couldn't win the big one so he's not on the list.

Oh man, it was swell. Gorgeous day, Giants won, I got sunburned....OTOH, Lowry (who looked fab) got hurt & Fassero got shellacked w/ 3 HRs! As usual, Giants pitching is in trouble from the get-go.

That seventh inning last night was brutal.


It's going to be all about the A's this year. You're only ten minutes from the ballpark...it's not too late to jump on the bandwagon.

I think the whole "greatness defined by championships" is the single dumbest argument in sports. By that definition, an offensive lineman on say, the Tampa Bucaneers was a greater player than Dan Marino was.

Outside of the Bears, my earliest memories of football revolve around Joe's comeback wins. Can't speak for QB's before the 80's, but he's the best I've seen, that's for sure.

Har har I do like the As. You have to admire that they have a farm system that works, that they have confidence in. I'll go to some games this year. I just wish they weren't always so fricking poor.

This guy too.

Jim McMahon is the only Bears player I have ever liked. And probably ever will.

the argument about championships is only relavent when discussing QBS

they are the only player that is in control of the ball on every offensive possession

and QB's that win 1 super bowl arent't great

it's the ones that win 2 or more


2 or more proves your not a fluke like McMahon or Doug Williams

and I don't see how anyone can think Marino who won ZERO!!!!!!!!!!!!!

is better then MONTANA who won FOUR

put it this way

let's say Marino is a better passer, more accurate whatever

would you rather be Marino with no rings? or Montana with Four??

I'm guessing Marino would trade all his Passing Records for those 4 rings

For starters, the way you break up your sentences if fucking annoying. Second, your theory that a QB has to win more than one Super Bowl to be considered great does nothing other than prove you're a douche bag.

steve young is the best QB of all time. got it done every possible way

montana vs. farve is a legit debate. let's not forget that montana had jerry rice to throw to all those years

Hey douche bag, a QB has to win at least two superbowls to be great. If you don't think so, F U.

Signed,
Douche Bag McGee's Brother Louis

fixed

I once saw Jim McMahon in a movie theater in Deerfield. Maybe he was having a bad day, but he was a real prick. I didn't approach him, but other kids went up to him and he just sat there with his sunglasses on and pretended they weren't there. No adults, just fawning kids, with about 20 minutes before the start of the movie. Didn't even acknowledge their existance. (BTW, it was for "Three Fugitives"...that crappy movie with Nick Nolte and Martin Short)

Dan marino was a better QB than Favre. Joe Montana was a better QB than Favre. Steve Young, well you get the point.

Favre is Mike Tomczak with better coaching and a former drug addiction.



You didn't like Payton? Jesus christ, you are a tool. On a flipside, Charles Martin was probably the greatest Packer ever and the only one I ever liked.



Montana and Favre were both on better teams than Marino when they won. They both had better defenses and running games than Marino.

If you look at most teams that win the superbowl, 99% of them have above average to stellar defenses.



Jerry Rice didn't come along til 1985. His rookie year, I believe, was the year the Bears won the Superbowl.

Montana won without him before that.

If I could suggest, a bit off topic, but here are the keys to winning Superbowls, based on teams that have won the superbowls.

1. Great defense.

See 1985 Bears, 70's Steelers, 1972 Dolphins, 2000 Ravens (this proves you don't need a great QB to win it).

2. Great Coaching

See 49ers teams of the 80s, Shula from 1972, 1966/67 Packer teams, 1969 Chief team, Chuck Knoll. But the best has to be Joe Gibbs. Tell me another coach who won three superbowls with three different Quarterbacks? That is the definition of greatness.

3. Above Average to Great Offensive and Defensive lines.

Most teams qualify, but I immediately think of the 1985 Bears and the 1970s Steelers.

4. Good to great Quarterback.

Montana, Young, Elway. I was never a big Elway fan, I think he was overrated. But in the Superbowls they won, he played great. Though he had Terrell Davis. Brady is a great big game QB, but his success is more because of the system he's in. He has great coaching and a great defense. To his credit he doesn't make a lot of mistakes, unlike Favre who sometimes tends to force things when he doesn't have to.

5. Good Running game.

1980s Redskins, 1997/98 Broncos, 1990s Dallas Cowboys, 1985 Bears, 1970s Steelers (Payton didn't have a great Superbowl but that's because the Patriots focused entirely on him opening the field for McMahon. Payton should've won the MVP for that alone.)

I think having a good QB is important, but a great QB can't win without 1-3.

pdated: 01/02/06

Brett Favre, already the holder of nearly all of the passing records in Green Bay Packers history, is closing in on a number of NFL passing records as well. Here's a look at where #4 ranks among the all-time NFL greats. Packers.com will be updating Brett's climb up the charts after every game in 2005.

Career Passing Yards Total To Surpass Year To Date
1) Dan Marino 61,361 7,747 -- 2) Brett Favre 53,615 -- 3,881
3) John Elway 51,475 -- --
4) Warren Moon 49,325 -- --
5) Fran Tarkenton 47,003 -- --

Career Passing Attempts
1) Dan Marino 8,358 749 --
2) Brett Favre 7,610 -- 607
3) John Elway 7,250 -- --
4) Warren Moon 6,823 -- --
5) Fran Tarkenton 6,467 -- --

Career Completions
1) Dan Marino 4,967 290 --
2) Brett Favre 4,678 -- 372
3) John Elway 4,123 -- --
4) Warren Moon 3,988 -- --
5) Fran Tarkenton 3,686 -- --

Career Touchdown Passes
1) Dan Marino 420 25 -- 2) Brett Favre 396 -- 20
3) Fran Tarkenton 342 -- --
4) John Elway 300 -- --
5) Warren Moon 291 -- --

Career Wins as a Starting QB
1) John Elway 148 10 --
2) Dan Marino 147 9 --
3) Brett Favre 139 -- 4
4) Fran Tarkenton 125 -- --
5) Johnny Unitas 119 -- --

Since your job is to throw the ball and win, Marino's records prove he was one of the greatest ever. If would've played on any of those 49er, Packer or even the 1985 Bears he wins at least one Superbowl, probably more.

But that is all conjecture.

This is the only thing you've said on this site that I've agreed with. But holy hell are you on the money here.

Ok Nick

Fuck

you

how about that

ass


Anyway, if you did a poll of any 100 NFL players you deemed great and asked them who was better Montana or Marino I would bet Montana wins easily.

Also if you had to win 1 football game would you really rather Marino be at qb???

You take Marino and enjoy his 300 yards passing on 40 attempts, I'll take Montana knowing whatever his stat line end up looking like he will have the most important stat the W.

If nothing else, I've established in this thread that Favre is the greatest QB of all time.

He totally is.



How many active starting QBs have even won one? Like...3 guys?

i wouldnt' say that favre is THE greatest, but he certainly deserves to enter into the conversation. he is (to me) in the same league as Montanna and Marino.
more importantly he means more to the city of Green Bay than any quarterback ever has meant to their respective city.

The most interesting thing to me about this group of stats (which are about longevity more than greatness), is that Fran Tarkenton is consistently fifth on yards and attempts and completions, but third on touchdown passes, and fourth on wins. I always hated that guy, but those numbers are impressive.

You are a jackass

if going by STATS Marino is # 1

if you count things that matter like SuperBowls Montana or Bradshaw is number 1 taking in account that Bradshaw played on a defensive minded team the Steal Curtain I would say Joe is number 1. Many times he lead his team to victory in the closing moments cuz he was shackled with an average defense at best.

and as far as Marino playing with lesser teams I don't think anyone would claim Tom Brady had the best team any of the times he's won a Super Bowl.

and when Marino faced Montana in the super bowl

In 1984, the Dolphins won their first 11 games en route to a 14-2 season (the franchise's best 16-game season to date). Marino, in his first full season, was voted MVP as he threw for over 5000 yards and 48 touchdowns. Miami beat the Seahawks and Steelers in the playoffs to get to Super Bowl XIX. In the title game, however, Miami lost to the San Francisco 49ers 38-16. It would be Marino's only Super Bowl appearance.

In 1985 Miami went 12-4 and was the only team that beat the Chicago Bears all year. After beating the Cleveland Browns in the divisional playoffs, many people were looking forward to a rematch with Chicago in Super Bowl XX. The cinderella New England Patriots, the Dolphins' opponents in the AFC Championship, had different plans. New England forced 6 turnovers on the way to a 31-14 win - the Patriots' first in Miami since 1969.

that's funny I don't think a defense can turn the ball over that must of happened on OFFENSE

It's amazing how many LESSER teams beat the Dolphins with Marino at QB

It's not like Marino was stuck on the Baltimore Colts. He led the Dolphins to the playoffs many times they just came up short.

Even Boomer Esiason said "Peyton Manning is in jeopardy of becoming this decade Dan Marino" right in front of Dan.

This was the 3rd greatest moment of sports television of the last three years.

Aw man, I want to see that! Is there anymore to that story? Or was it Boomer just playing with Dan?

Marino's Head Asplode

I don't know how to drop the youtube movie into a post yet, but it's worth checking out.

In 2003 and 2004 they were pretty obviously the best team in the league.

i was comparing montana to favre

pre-rice (excluding joe's rookie year):

1980 49ers 273 176 1795 64.5 15 9 87.8
1981 49ers 488 311 3565 63.7 19 12 88.4
1982 49ers 346 213 2613 61.6 17 11 88.0
1983 49ers 515 332 3910 64.5 26 12 94.6
1984 49ers 432 279 3630 64.6 28 10 102.9

completion %: 63.8
yards/attempt: 7.55
TD/INT: 105/54

with rice (excluding jerry's rookie year):

1986 49ers 307 191 2236 62.2 8 9 80.7
1987 49ers 398 266 3054 66.8 31 13 102.1
1988 49ers 397 238 2981 59.9 18 10 87.9
1989 49ers 386 271 3521 70.2 26 8 112.4
1990 49ers 520 321 3944 61.7 26 16 89.0

completion %: 64.1
yards/attempt: 7.84
TD/INT: 109/56

hmm. only slight improvements w/ rice in the lineup. maybe JERRY was the one who was overrated!