Left 4 Dead's draw is multiplayer. How long the game will be in the end is somewhat irrelevant. User created maps will no doubt be all over the place as well.

I'm actually able to play Grim a lot easier in XP than I was ever able to play it in 98. I can't remember if I did anything special to get it to work, though. I don't think I did.

Maybe try this if you're having trouble http://quick.mixnmojo.com/software#grimlauncher

I've sunk about 30 hours into Fallout 3 and maybe 2 of these hours have been in the main quest. Tired of boarding with you idiots.

Most of my gameplay experience has been doing random quests, killing everyone in megaton for laughs and then resetting, and spending thousands of caps on pimping out my pad and occasionally wandering over to the bar, drinking 12 bottles of whiskey, and then having sex w/ nova.

my character in his prime:

It's totally relevant when I'm paying $50 for it. If they can keep enough diversity over those 20 maps I don't see a problem.

It will take at least a month or two for worthwhile user created maps to show up. Hopefully Valves "Director" AI isn't a pain in the ass for map developers.

A month or two? Hardly. And yes, it is irrelevant. The longevity of a MP FPS is based on online competition and matching skill w/ others. Not the length of time it takes to play through every shipped map. 20 is more than fine for most MP FPS games and the rabid following of valve games ensures many user maps to come.

Its a silly question. Like asking how long Counter-Strike or Team Fortress are.

I played Left 4 Dead yesterday and it was pretty fun. Playing on the hardest difficulty is terrifying.

One of the best. Never gets old.

LittleBigPlanet looks like it's the game I've been waiting for my whole life. Too bad I don't have a PS3.

So my gf and I bought a Nintendo Wii last night. No idea why. The golf is fun as hell though.

What games should I get? We have the Wii sports. We also bought an extra controller that had like 9 mini games included.

If you have ever enjoyed a Mario Brothers game, get Mario Galaxy, for the Wii.

Indeed. Between my parents and my gf, August (my bday) proved to be a glut of Wii goodness. So far, nothing I have is bad by any stretch. Here's what I've enjoyed:

Metroid Prime 3. Almost exactly like the 2 Metroid games for Gamecube, which is to say, very good. And nicely, if you've missed the Gamecube ones, you can play them on the Wii. Just be sure to buy a GC controller (or 2, or 3, or 4), which is also good for....

Super Smash Bros Brawl. A great time waster. Unlocking new characters, stages, etc. becomes an addiction all its own. This would be even more fun with people to play against, but the depth of this game is amazing. There are always new things to try, new things to unlock, etc. But, the GC controller is much better for this than the Wii-Mote. Also fun to play people via Wi-Fi, especially if you have friends with the game elsewhere.

Super Mario Galaxy. He's a lot more kiddy-like these days than I remember him being back in the NES days, but the game is a good mix of difficulty. Some easy, some diabolical. But all fun. I'm still plowing through this one currently.

Super Mario Kart. Any of these are always good, and the wireless wheel is fun. Still, this is much more a multi-player than solo game. My lack of friends hampers this one a bit. Another Wi-Fe compatible game, too.

Link's Crossbow (with Zapper). A pretty mindless target-shooter, but fun to revisit scenes from Twilight Princess. I'm not sure if I'll ever use the Zapper for other games, and the game is short...but you only spend $20.

Legend of Zelda - Twilight Princess. I played the Gamecube version, so I can't say specifically for the Wii, but GREAT game. If you liked any of the other Zelda games (my favorite series of games by far), a must-buy.

I've yet to even unwrap Lego Indiana Jones, or download games with my Wii-points card....and with Christmas coming soon, I may have a new stack of games in no time.

Anyway, enjoy the system....I am!

Super Mario Galaxy definitely, no questions asked. Seriously, one of the best games to come out in years. If you like simple but fun and well designed, that game is for you.

Super Mario Galaxy eh? The last Mario I played was the first one. I'll give it a try.

Silly? whatever. It was just a passing thought I had, but I still think it's a valid question.

I've played the demo , but can't stand to run through it more than once in a sitting. I like it. I really do. It just becomes tiring the second time through. In contrast I can play on just about any tf2 map for hours. I personally feel that L4D needs a larger variety of maps to make up for its limited range of game play in co-op mode. If the final game has limited variety and the maps are as quick as the demo, I think I would be let down. I highly doubt this will happen.

Don't let her talk you into getting WiiFit. Its about $100, any argument that it promotes fitness is laughable, and it gets stale incredibly quickly. The WiiFit Board will be gathering dust in a closet in short order. It was definitely marketed towards the ladies, so beware.

Pick up the RE4 port if you never played it on a different system. It was only $30 new as it was simply a port, so you can probably get it on the cheap if need be.

Montana pretty sure you'd dig the hell out of RE4

Roger that, my wife wanted this for her birthday in May and I think she's used it all of twice since then. It now acts as an overglorified bathroom scale.

Thanks. We picked this thing up on a whim to "help the economy" and I'm looking for suggestions. I have a good PC that can run the shooting type games rather well so I figured the Wii would be a nice contrast.

One of my favorite games ever on Nintendo was Street Fighter. Is it available for this system?

I never got into the Zelda games, but I will give the others a try. I have RE4 on the PC I'm using now and gave up at the house with the weird puzzle in the backyard. RE2 was one of my favorite games ever but I couldn't get into this one much. That said, I've given up on other games lately too (Bioshock, TF2, BF2) so either I'm just getting older or my taste is changing.

Metroid looks cool.

I'm downloading the L4D demo today. Hopefully that's somewhat interesting.

I hooked up the Playstation 2 in hopes of going and renting one of the Guitar Hero games and Family Video doesn't rent accessories. Which seems sort of pointless, but okay...

So I played it safe and got this Crash Bandicoot game. I wish the games were more like they were for the first 4 or so that Naughty Dog did, but oh well.

RE: Wii games -- first purchase should be Super Mario Galaxy. Nothing on the system I'd recommend nearly as much, at least not at retail. World of Goo is an excellent downloadable game for the Wii.

Crash Bandicoot 2+3 are some of the best games ever, I think

I always entertained the idea of writing a screenplay about Crash Bandicoot, but, like so many things, I never got around to truly thinking about it. I know the series is popular, but it never entered the video game lexicon like Grand Theft Auto or Tomb Raider did.

The Left 4 Dead demo is one of the funnest things I've played in a long, long time

I'm not sure, but check the Wii online store. They have a bunch of games from older systems on there to download, including Sega Genesis, so I'm guessing they might.

Anyone played Mirror's Edge?

Just the demo. I picked it up yesterday, but doubt I'll have time to play it anytime in the immediate future. Far too busy with review games right now. Doing two at the moment, then Call of Duty: World at War over the weekend/early next week, then Shaun White Snowboarding after that and maybe something else simultaneously.

Anyone playing Gears? Anyone on planning on playing L4D on their console? You have to add me on you friends list then.

I WANT MIRROR'S EDGE

I really want to see NBA Street Vol. 2 released in some format again. 3 Jordans! NBA Legends! Deep gameplay (seriously - the series took a complete nosedive from this game on).

I am distressed by the number of thoughtful posts about video games posted by loppers in this thread. Having to check a message board I almost never keep up with just for occasional video game commentary is a nuisance.

Played the L4D demo this weekend. It's just ok. Gfx seem exactly like CS:S, that is very dated. Fast action, but not a lot of changeup even with the hyped AI Director.

I bought this last month for Gamecube and it's been taking up a lot of playing time. I own the first NBA Street, but the addition of NBA legends makes Vol. 2 far and away my favorite so far. Sometimes I just play as either this classic Lakers team I created (Magic, Worthy, Jerry West, Wilt) or as a classic Celtics team (Bird, Russell, Cousy) and play them against each other and just bask in the awesomeness of what I'm seeing on my tv screen. Gameplay is pretty much as flawless as the first one and the option to pocket gamebreakers forces you to bring more strategy to the game. I can't remember the last time a licensed sports game was so addictive.

That Shaun White game looks pretty cool from the ads I've seen. Although I think a snowboarding game would get kinda boring pretty quick.

Looking forward to hearing your take on Mirror's Edge.

I'm playing Call of Duty: World At War on XBOX Live right now. I pretty much love it.

looks like im not going to bed tonight :/

OH SHI-

My 360 finally died. This is the worst possible time. I played two nights of Left 4 Dead, still playing Gears 2, and I just got Fallout 3 in the mail from Gamefly. Mario Kart Wii anyone? Yeah fucking right. I wasn't planning on picking up Chrono Trigger right away, but now I just might have to.

After being offline for a few weeks, if not month, I finally got back on XBOX Live. Its been a real treat watching Sausage achievement whore through StreetFighter2 HD or whatever its called.

huh? i only have 75/200 and i havent tried for any of them specifically yet

i do, however, believe that i will never get the 7 hit combo one or the one where i have to win w/ every character (i will never ever win a match w/ t.hawk)

tried chaining 2 jabs w/ balrog followed by his super a couple times and i don't think i'll get ever get the timing, same w/ ryu's forward+fp into super 7 hit.

btw if anyone on here actually plays my gamertag is dr tug if you want to go to school

Aren't you playing broken Sagat though? Can't imagine you are not hitting 5+ in the corner with the old Sagat mechanics. His reach going into the low FP or the standing MK is easy to chain into a H/L fireball or uppercut. If you're tight, that's 4 hits on the connection.

they took old sagat, along with all the other "old" characters out, although there is a option to pick "classic" mode so idk, i've only been playing the "remix" mode

t.hawk is not a total joke anymore, and ken has been buffed, i'm not really certain about all the changes/differences because i mainly just play as ryu.

bottom line is i suck at chaining supers, i'll probably be able to do it if i look up some that i've never tried before.

Did you guys buy an arcade stick or are you roughing it with the horrid 360 D pad. I was going to get HD remix but it took way too long to come out. I'm just gonna wait for the SF IV+Arcade Stick bundle in Feburary.

i picked up the hori ex2 about half a year ago, i'm probably going to pick up another stick around the time when SFIV comes out

Was playing some NBA JAM Tournament Edition on the Genesis last night.

Running with the Bullets...Scott Skiles might be rated a 9 at threes but man does he suck

My buddies and I had a few drinks in us and, since no one was going out because of the cold, we ended up playing Mario Tennis for two hours. Winner kept playing. I help my own for quite some time. Wario is the man.

Left 4 Dead with strangers who don't communicate is the worst. This game can be fricking exhilirating, and fun when playing with people you can work with. I'm sure the caliber of player is different on PC.

Playing Chrono Trigger. Bought it off Gamefly for super cheap. Brand new copy too. I can't say how many times I've played this game, but I'm still enjoying myself very much.

Playing some Disgaea DS, but I need to pick up that Chrono Trigger. Also need to start Okami back up.

Oh man, Left 4 Dead is awesome.

I was into Fable 2 for a while in what free time I have in between classes. Started playing Call of Duty: World At War recently, and I've been meaning to pick up Left 4 Dead.
Also, the other day I really missed this game out of nowhere and wished I hadn't sold my Gamecube a few years ago.

cant remember who tried to play gears 2 w/ me tonight but me and efrim were doing the campaign(just picked it up today)

im down for w/e though