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Smells Like Douche
I heard on the radio that former Illinois governor George Ryan has a verdict. Wonder what it'll be. Announcing after 11am Chicago time.
tweed
I really wanted to see him go away when this thing started but have come to feel a little sorry for him over time. The long, ridiculous trial has succeeded in making me lose interest. I'm not really rooting one way or ther other anymore but my gut says he'll walk.

Smells Like Douche
QUOTE(tweed @ Apr 17 2006, 11:20 AM) [snapback]66472[/snapback]

I really wanted to see him go away when this thing started but have come to feel a little sorry for him over time. The long, ridiculous trial has succeeded in making me lose interest. I'm not really rooting one way or ther other anymore but my gut says he'll walk.


I think so too. Too many questions with the jury.
jen r
I'm watching it live. They're expecting an announcement any minute. I didn't think the jury was close to a verdict.
Dag Nasty
QUOTE(tweed @ Apr 17 2006, 11:20 AM) [snapback]66472[/snapback]

...but my gut says he'll walk.


Wealthy people rarely go to prison as it is but a connected, power-wielding old white man getting sent up the river? Not a chance...That only happens if they turn on each other in panicked me-first orgies of tattling, cutting deals to cuckold their criminal partners...if anything he'll be found guilty of a few lesser charges, have to pay some court costs & receive a commuted sentence or some cushy dole out. Business as usual.

Smells Like Douche
QUOTE(Alan @ Apr 17 2006, 11:27 AM) [snapback]66482[/snapback]

QUOTE(tweed @ Apr 17 2006, 11:20 AM) [snapback]66472[/snapback]

...but my gut says he'll walk.


Wealthy people rarely go to prison as it is but a connected, power-wielding old white man getting sent up the river? Not a chance...That only happens if they turn on each other in panicked me-first orgies of tattling, cutting deals to cuckold their criminal partners...if anything he'll be found guilty of a few lesser charges, have to pay some court costs & receive a commuted sentence or some cushy dole out. Business as usual.


True. Yet how many poor black men go to prison for lesser crimes that what Ryan did? Justice is not blind.
Binko
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QUOTE(tweed @ Apr 17 2006, 11:20 AM) [snapback]66472[/snapback]

I really wanted to see him go away when this thing started but have come to feel a little sorry for him over time. The long, ridiculous trial has succeeded in making me lose interest. I'm not really rooting one way or ther other anymore but my gut says he'll walk.


I think so too. Too many questions with the jury.


I'll be the voice of dissent here. I say he's convicted of at least a few counts, at least one major. The deliberation was too quick...
sin city
pleasebeguiltypleasebeguiltypleasebeguilty...
Howard Rock
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QUOTE(Alan @ Apr 17 2006, 11:27 AM) [snapback]66482[/snapback]

QUOTE(tweed @ Apr 17 2006, 11:20 AM) [snapback]66472[/snapback]

...but my gut says he'll walk.


Wealthy people rarely go to prison as it is but a connected, power-wielding old white man getting sent up the river? Not a chance...That only happens if they turn on each other in panicked me-first orgies of tattling, cutting deals to cuckold their criminal partners...if anything he'll be found guilty of a few lesser charges, have to pay some court costs & receive a commuted sentence or some cushy dole out. Business as usual.


True. Yet how many poor black men go to prison for lesser crimes that what Ryan did? Justice is not blind.


One need only look at the ongoing Enron fiasco to prove this...how long has it been and these guys are just starting the trial?...4, 5 YEARS? How many lives did Lay, Skilling, et al. ruin? This case will take months maybe years to play out before any of those rich white men see a day of prison, if ever.
stovich
...fry him.
nobodies
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QUOTE(Smells Like Douche @ Apr 17 2006, 12:29 PM) [snapback]66484[/snapback]

QUOTE(Alan @ Apr 17 2006, 11:27 AM) [snapback]66482[/snapback]

QUOTE(tweed @ Apr 17 2006, 11:20 AM) [snapback]66472[/snapback]

...but my gut says he'll walk.


Wealthy people rarely go to prison as it is but a connected, power-wielding old white man getting sent up the river? Not a chance...That only happens if they turn on each other in panicked me-first orgies of tattling, cutting deals to cuckold their criminal partners...if anything he'll be found guilty of a few lesser charges, have to pay some court costs & receive a commuted sentence or some cushy dole out. Business as usual.


True. Yet how many poor black men go to prison for lesser crimes that what Ryan did? Justice is not blind.


One need only look at the ongoing Enron fiasco to prove this...how long has it been and these guys are just starting the trial?...4, 5 YEARS? How many lives did Lay, Skilling, et al. ruin? This case will take months maybe years to play out before any of those rich white men see a day of prison, if ever.


Fastow already has pleaded guilty; and is serving a 10 year sentence.
Binko
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QUOTE(Smells Like Douche @ Apr 17 2006, 12:29 PM) [snapback]66484[/snapback]

QUOTE(Alan @ Apr 17 2006, 11:27 AM) [snapback]66482[/snapback]

QUOTE(tweed @ Apr 17 2006, 11:20 AM) [snapback]66472[/snapback]

...but my gut says he'll walk.


Wealthy people rarely go to prison as it is but a connected, power-wielding old white man getting sent up the river? Not a chance...That only happens if they turn on each other in panicked me-first orgies of tattling, cutting deals to cuckold their criminal partners...if anything he'll be found guilty of a few lesser charges, have to pay some court costs & receive a commuted sentence or some cushy dole out. Business as usual.


True. Yet how many poor black men go to prison for lesser crimes that what Ryan did? Justice is not blind.


One need only look at the ongoing Enron fiasco to prove this...how long has it been and these guys are just starting the trial?...4, 5 YEARS?


True enough. But you have to remember with financial cases the discovery materials are insane. We're talking hundreds of thousands of pages of documents. Those sorts of cases are a lot more complex than your typical first degree murder.

le chaton
...still nothing? chicagotrib online still says "any minute now.."
Binko
QUOTE(le chaton @ Apr 17 2006, 12:08 PM) [snapback]66531[/snapback]

...still nothing? chicagotrib online still says "any minute now.."


Nope. Waitin' for one of the prosecutors to show up.

le chaton
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QUOTE(le chaton @ Apr 17 2006, 12:08 PM) [snapback]66531[/snapback]

...still nothing? chicagotrib online still says "any minute now.."


Nope. Waitin' for one of the prosecutors to show up.

lazy sack.
Binko
Guilty on all counts.
tweed
QUOTE(Binko @ Apr 17 2006, 12:21 PM) [snapback]66550[/snapback]

Guilty on all counts.

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zolacolby
Yesh! I sincerely dislike this fucker!
Now, let's hope he is jailed upon appeal.
Now to get the other George...
Wolfden Robes
QUOTE(Alan @ Apr 17 2006, 11:27 AM) [snapback]66482[/snapback]

QUOTE(tweed @ Apr 17 2006, 11:20 AM) [snapback]66472[/snapback]

...but my gut says he'll walk.


Wealthy people rarely go to prison as it is but a connected, power-wielding old white man getting sent up the river? Not a chance...That only happens if they turn on each other in panicked me-first orgies of tattling, cutting deals to cuckold their criminal partners...if anything he'll be found guilty of a few lesser charges, have to pay some court costs & receive a commuted sentence or some cushy dole out. Business as usual.



maybe you should stick to Mariotti

natch!
tjenz
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le chaton
QUOTE(Binko @ Apr 17 2006, 12:21 PM) [snapback]66550[/snapback]

Guilty on all counts.

!!!!!!!!
Dag Nasty
QUOTE(Wolfden Robes @ Apr 17 2006, 12:25 PM) [snapback]66553[/snapback]

QUOTE(Alan @ Apr 17 2006, 11:27 AM) [snapback]66482[/snapback]

QUOTE(tweed @ Apr 17 2006, 11:20 AM) [snapback]66472[/snapback]

...but my gut says he'll walk.


Wealthy people rarely go to prison as it is but a connected, power-wielding old white man getting sent up the river? Not a chance...That only happens if they turn on each other in panicked me-first orgies of tattling, cutting deals to cuckold their criminal partners...if anything he'll be found guilty of a few lesser charges, have to pay some court costs & receive a commuted sentence or some cushy dole out. Business as usual.



maybe you should stick to Mariotti

natch!


Hey, I'm happy to be 100% wrong on this one - good deal & bravo to the folks who turned in the verdict. I'm pleased that they did...now, back to kidney punching Jay "Fatpig" Mariotti.
Binko
QUOTE(le chaton @ Apr 17 2006, 12:27 PM) [snapback]66557[/snapback]

QUOTE(Binko @ Apr 17 2006, 12:21 PM) [snapback]66550[/snapback]

Guilty on all counts.

!!!!!!!!


Well, I for one am not surprised. Anyhow, on to the next big trial--the patronage scandal.

Smells Like Douche
That's a shock. I thought he might be a few guilty verdicts on lesser charges.
without_opinion
good. scare the rest of these fuckers straight.
sin city
Mayor Daley just shit himself.

le chaton
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zolacolby
I was wondering how this verdict will
affect the goings on with Hizzoner Richard?
Dag Nasty
QUOTE(zolacolby @ Apr 17 2006, 12:32 PM) [snapback]66568[/snapback]

...Hizzoner Richard?


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SpacemanSpiff
QUOTE(sin city @ Apr 17 2006, 12:31 PM) [snapback]66565[/snapback]

Mayor Daley just shit himself.

Just what I was thinking.
Ben
QUOTE(le chaton @ Apr 17 2006, 01:32 PM) [snapback]66567[/snapback]

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What? This guy?

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le chaton
QUOTE(Ben @ Apr 17 2006, 01:01 PM) [snapback]66608[/snapback]

QUOTE(le chaton @ Apr 17 2006, 01:32 PM) [snapback]66567[/snapback]

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What? This guy?

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birdistheword
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le chaton
from CNN:
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Ex-governor guilty of racketeering
Verdict ends Illinois' biggest corruption case in decades

CHICAGO, Illinois (AP) -- Former Gov. George Ryan, who drew international praise when he commuted the sentences of everyone on Illinois' death row, was convicted of racketeering and fraud Monday in a corruption scandal that ended his political career.

Ryan, 72, sat stone-faced as the verdict was read and afterward promised he would appeal.

"I believe this decision today is not in accordance with the kind of public service that I provided to the people of Illinois over 40 years, and needless to say I am disappointed in the outcome," he said. laugh.gif

U.S. Attorney Patrick Fitzgerald said Ryan's actions represented "a low water mark of public service."

"For a brief moment, I'd just like to remind all of you out there that the charges involved were very serious and the corrupt conduct was very disturbing," Fitzgerald said.

Robert Grant, the special agent in charge of the FBI's Chicago office, said the verdict emphasizes that no one is above the law.

"I hope this case begins the end of political prostitution that seems to have been evident in the state of Illinois and begins a resurrection of honest government and services in this state that so many people have demanded," Grant said.
Ryan faces long sentence

The former Republican governor faces up to 20 years in prison for the racketeering conspiracy conviction alone, the most serious charge against him in the 22-count indictment. The jury found him guilty of all counts, including fraud, obstructing the Internal Revenue Service and lying to the FBI. Sentencing was set for August 4.

Co-defendant Larry Warner, a Chicago businessman and Ryan friend, was found guilty of racketeering conspiracy, mail fraud, attempted extortion, illegally structuring bank withdrawals and money laundering.

Neither man took the stand during their six-month trial.

Jurors said no single factor tipped the balance in favor of conviction.

"It wasn't a smoking gun," said Kevin Rein, a self-employed carpenter. He said "the government had a pretty good pile of evidence."

Prosecutors accused Ryan of steering big-money state contracts and leases, including a $25 million IBM computer deal, to his friends and political insiders while he was secretary of state in the 1990s and then as governor starting in 1999.

In return for that help, Ryan was rewarded with annual winter vacations in Jamaica, stays in Cancun, Mexico, and Palm Springs, California, and gifts ranging from a golf bag to $145,000 in loans to his brother's business, prosecutors said.

Warner, 67, raked in $3 million from Ryan-era deals, according to the office of U.S. Attorney Patrick Fitzgerald -- who during the trial was also leading the federal investigation into the leak of CIA officer Valerie Plame's identity.
Biggest corruption trial in decades

It was the state's biggest political corruption trial in decades, and had its share of troubles.

In late March, months of testimony nearly went down the drain when the judge discovered two jurors had failed to mention arrests on their court questionnaires. Rather than declare a mistrial, U.S. District Judge Rebecca R. Pallmeyer decided to replace the two jurors with alternates and, over the objection of Ryan's attorneys, ordered the jury to start deliberations over.

The new jury had deliberated for 10 days when it announced its verdict Monday.

Afterward, Ryan attorney Dan K. Webb, a former federal prosecutor, zeroed in on the judge's decision to replace the jurors.

"We're going to begin working immediately on post-trial motions to try to get this verdict overturned," Webb said.

During the trial, Webb had pounded on a theme that no one ever testified to seeing Ryan take a payoff. His powerful law firm represented Ryan for free -- at an estimated cost of $10 million.

The corruption scandal that led to Ryan's downfall began over a decade ago with a much smaller focus: a federal investigation into a fiery van crash in Wisconsin that killed six children.

The deadly 1994 crash exposed a scheme inside the Illinois secretary of state's office in which unqualified truck drivers obtained licenses through bribes. Ryan was secretary of state at the time, and prosecutors would later argue that thousands of dollars in payoff money from the licenses went into a Ryan campaign fund.
Eight year probe

The probe expanded over the next eight years into a wide-ranging corruption investigation that eventually reached Ryan in the governor's office.

Seventy-nine former state officials, lobbyists, truck drivers and others have since been charged. Before Ryan's trial, 74 had been convicted, including Ryan's longtime top aide, Scott Fawell.

Fawell was a star witness against Ryan and the author of a 1994 memo that prosecutor Patrick Collins called "the Magna Carta" of the racketeering scheme.

The memo urged Ryan, then secretary of state, to replace Inspector General Dean Bauer with someone who "won't ask about FR tickets" -- political fundraising tickets. Bauer himself pleaded guilty to obstruction of justice and acknowledged the government could prove he had spent seven years covering up scandals to spare Ryan personal and political embarrassment.

Even as he faced federal charges back home, Ryan accepted speaking invitations across the country and was nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize for his criticism of the death penalty.

In 2000, Ryan declared a moratorium on executions in Illinois after 13 death row inmates were found to have been wrongly convicted. Then, days before he left office in 2003, he cleared death row, commuting the sentences of all 167 inmates to life in prison. He declared that the state's criminal justice system was "haunted by the demon of error."

The auto accident that set the case in motion killed six children of the Rev. Scott and Janet Willis. A trucking company official later said he believed the truck driver's license was one of several bought from a state official.

The Willises, who received a $100 million settlement, attended parts of Ryan's trial.

Copyright 2006 The Associated Press. All rights reserved.This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed.
without_opinion
right -- he claims he did a good job for IL for 40 years so he's allowed to break the law and steal millions of dollars from the state and deserving contractors. go fuck yourself, George Ryan.
avec


Chicago Tonight did a good job covering the case last night from it's inception. They had a large panel, and unanimously all present did not expect that G. Ryan would be guilty on all counts, and did not think he should have been.
le chaton
QUOTE(without_opinion @ Apr 18 2006, 11:08 AM) [snapback]67411[/snapback]
go fuck yourself, George Ryan.

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