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Mitchell
Not so sure about that. I think Sven has actually pilled a blinder with this one. I'd much rather see Walcott come on then Bent off the bench with 25 mins to go and England chasing the game.
Jigga
put money on it, this kid aint done shit at top level, he scored that goal against whoever by lobbing the keeper from the left wing shit i can do that. darren bent is a bit one dimensional dont really hold up the ball and link play up, more likes to run onto it a la prime andy cole but jermaine defoe can do all that shit this kid walcott is supposed to be able do. ok he is out of form but wtf this kid been doing. if he so good why aint wenger picked him to play in te 1st team.
Mitchell
I'm just happy that Erikkson was happy to take a gamble for once in his life. I'm sure leaving the postion after the tournament has made it that much easier to do though.

The difference between Defoe and Walcott is that Defoe only functions properly when the opposition defenders play high up the pitch. He's like Owen, he spends his time on the shoulder of the last defender and then he makes runs behind them.

As was proved when he last played for England, if the defence play deep (which is a distinct possibility if we play with Gerrard, Beckham AND Carrick in the side, all of whom can deliver pin-point accurate long balls) he's effectively neutralised. Owen's place is safe because even if he isn't able to do his runs he's still got fantastic movement and positioning and is the consumate poacher. Defoe has yet to prove himself capable of that level of adaptability.
Jigga
did you see defoes goal on sunday? who was high up the pitch?and walcott all of a sudden is gonna be mr link up a la henry, i'll believe it when i ssee it and dont act like an expert on this dude know one knows shit about him cause they never seen him unless you a anorak watching reserve games or something. a couple of highlights on tv and this dude is the saviour. How many games has defoe played for england, its a long ass time i cant even remember, and the dude aint like owen at all, owen is a poacher, cartainly at this stage of his career anywy, back in the day he could run at defences and dribble, but i aint seen him do that in a long ass time. defoe to me is like the finest striking british talent, its a miracle he aint scored more goals.

Mitchell
I have seen Walcott play, I support a lower league club and have also seen him play live on TV. No one is calling him a saviour, there's a chance he may not even get on the pitch but if he plays against Trindad and Tobago and allows Owen (or even Rooney) to rest then Im sure their defenders (some of who play in League One) won't be able to cope with him.

When Defoe plays for Spurs that's a different story as they have in Robbie Keane a foil for him that works well together (even though Jol seems to prefer Mido with Keane and doesn't like pairing Mido with Defoe.) For England Defoe has only looked natural on a couple of occasions for England, including the Poland game in which he scored. He has 18 caps.

Given a choice though I would rely on Defoe but I applaud Sven's bravey in taking him, even if doesn't play. Aaron Lennon is no slouch either and with Rooney out it seems Eriksson wants the option of playing one up with a fast aggressive midfield. England always have a habit of finding a player of new formation at tornaments due to injury, they do well in them too. So hopefully this will follow past form.
Jigga
whatever i reckon lampard, gerrard and cole are gonna win this shit for england if anyone is, these strikers aint reliable anyway. defoe to me is the man, he has everything, i will never understand this decision on walcott. you dont even have to take defoe to score goals, he can be the foil for englands attacking midfielders. all i will ever say is this, everything people are gambling on walcott to doo, jdefoe has proved he can do it. why cant defoe run at trinidad and tobagos defenders, what does walcott have that defoe dont? this kid has not proved anything. at least rooney and owen had showed me some shit when they made their debuts. why do you keep hating on defoe at least give him a chance you are saying he is not as good as an untested player wow thats a new one you know a lot about football.

defoe and bent should be in there does not matter what way you spin it.
Mitchell
QUOTE(Gareth Keenan Invetigates @ May 8 2006, 06:49 PM) [snapback]83761[/snapback]

Given a choice though I would rely on Defoe but I applaud Sven's bravey in taking him, even if doesn't play


I have no problem with Defoe at all. But I don't think he'll be giving Italian defenders sleepless nights like a fully fit Rooney and Owen together would have done. Bent did well for himself this season and it's disappointing for him not to be going but as Owen and the Crouch are the first choice strikers while Rooney is out Bent/Defoe/Walcott will all be on the bench (If Rooney and Owen are both injured then they'll play Crouch alone up front) and I'd be much more excited by the prospect of seeing Walcott come on as an unknown quantity then Bent. If He wanted experience then he could have picked Heskey and Vassell but they don't have that spark that Walcott has, With Rooney out the England team lacks electriying pace and i'm sure that was the main reason for including both Lennon and Walcott. If Rooney's not fit Defoe goes as his replacement and will start ahead of Walcott anyway. If Defoe is playing as a main striker the option is there for him to be rested for Walcott against T&T. Walcott could easily out run Defoe as could Lennon.

I agree that the midfield double act of Lampard and Gerrard staying fit is as important as Rooney is to the team. The pair have 41 goals between them this season.
Jigga
no one is quicker than defoe in short burts s unless walcott gonna be hanging around the kick off line trying to do 100 m there is no use for him. he cant dribble at close quaters like defoe, face it, sven blundered. now, like you said, its exciting in that there is an unknown quantity coming off the bench, but if he dont perform yet another blunder from the king of blunders. big gamble and judging from svens choices in the past i dont think he has pulled a blinder. harry rednapp who brought this lad along at southampton on radio right now he aint convinced at all with this division if anyone know rednapp knows.
Saskadelphia
I don't watch the Bundesliga at all...is Canada's Owen Hargreaves still deserving of being named to the England team? Every time I see him play for England, he never does much.
Mitchell
QUOTE(Jigga @ May 8 2006, 07:24 PM) [snapback]83805[/snapback]

no one is quicker than defoe in short burts s unless walcott gonna be hanging around the kick off line trying to do 100 m there is no use for him. he cant dribble at close quaters like defoe, face it, sven blundered. now, like you said, its exciting in that there is an unknown quantity coming off the bench, but if he dont perform yet another blunder from the king of blunders. big gamble and judging from svens choices in the past i dont think he has pulled a blinder. harry rednapp who brought this lad along at southampton on radio right now he aint convinced at all with this division if anyone know rednapp knows.


Walcott is quicker than Defoe. I've seen them both play in front of me. Walcott is an excellent dribbler, has great balance and ablilty to change direction quickly. Sven hasn't blundered though, he's given himself an option to take a gamble in Germany. I don't think he has played a blinder but I've seen England in promising postions in Quarter Finals in 2002 and 2004 and once Portugal and Brazil got back into those games he made no gamble in preparation to win th game. Both of those tournaments were typified by the big names going out early and England could have easily gone on to win either of them. So in my book Sven taking a risk is a great thing to see. Shame it has taken him knowing his reign is coming to an end to make it happen.

QUOTE(Saskadelphia @ May 8 2006, 07:26 PM) [snapback]83807[/snapback]

I don't watch the Bundesliga at all...is Canada's Owen Hargreaves still deserving of being named to the England team? Every time I see him play for England, he never does much.


Sven seems to like him. No-one in England does. He's useless. What he and Jenas are doing in the squad over a fifth striker when two aren't fully fit, one is unproven and the other tends to be a bit shit is beyond me. That's where a oversight has been made.
Nick
This reeks of a panic move on Sven's part. Jigga's right about Bent, one dimensional player that would rely on the perfect pass from Gerrard or Lampard to break away and score. Defoe can be such a creative player and has speed and power.

I think Lennon could be the break out player, not Walcott.
Jigga
walcott is already a greater pllayer than defoe who has scored 50 gaols over the last 3 seasons according to mitchell. all based on 1 game he has seen this guy play, well, from the highlights i have seen dude looks like pele or something, except every player looks like pele when only their highlights are shown. er, sven has blundered in the past, by tyaking unfit players to the world cup, by not dropping his favorite players, by not being decisive in big games, he is mr blunder, and he has done it again. wenger picked his team for him lol.

looking at the people sven has picked, i dont even think he has confidence in any of is strikers outside of owen and rooney, basically its wingers and attacking midfielders he is basing his faith in, so where the heck little walcott gonna fit into all this i dont know, he gonna somehow link this system together all in the last 5 minutes to turna game i feel sorry for this little lad he gonna have mental problems after this worlcup everyone is already hating on him being picked, except mitcheell, who sees it as a genius move from someone who has never done a genius move before.
Mitchell
Do you actually read what I write? or to you skim it and add bits in your self? I didn't say Walcott was better than Defoe, twice now I've said that Defoe will play ahead of Walcott if Rooney isn't fit. I have not declared Sven a genius, I've merely applauded him for taking a gamble, something he hasn't done much of before.

Walcott will only be used if Erikkson chooses to play two up front and Owen and Rooney are injured. He is a back-up player and if he comes off the bench and does anything worthwhile it will be seen as gamble that paid off. He might not even play though, like Ronaldo in 1994, but the experience will surely be a good one for him.
Jigga
ronaldo played in 98, what are you talking about. If rooney is fit defoe aint going to the world cup what you on about.
Nick
He's going to start one of the upcoming friendlies. Mark my word. To throw the dude out there for the first time in a WC match previously uncapped would be ridiculous.
Jigga
lol, i agree nick. lol at mitchell editing his posts after i school him.

Who are we saying good bye to this yr, Shearer, Roy Keane, Zidane, Bergkamp ( probably my favorite ever premiership player), and probably some other players from lower leagues i dont follow. Some great great names there.
Nick
QUOTE(Jigga @ May 10 2006, 01:37 AM) [snapback]85192[/snapback]

Who are we saying good bye to this yr, Shearer, Roy Keane, Zidane, Bergkamp ( probably my favorite ever premiership player), and probably some other players from lower leagues i dont follow. Some great great names there.


I'm glad I got to see Zidane play - even if it was late in his career and a friendly against Chivas. He was still fucking masterful on the ball in that match. And yea, Bergkamp was amazing. I loved that goal against ManU at Highbury last year.
Mitchell
QUOTE(Jigga @ May 10 2006, 07:37 AM) [snapback]85192[/snapback]

lol, i agree nick. lol at mitchell editing his posts after i school him.

Who are we saying good bye to this yr, Shearer, Roy Keane, Zidane, Bergkamp ( probably my favorite ever premiership player), and probably some other players from lower leagues i dont follow. Some great great names there.


What did you school me on spelling/typing for the typing is instead of isn't or typing a 98 instead of 94. Cos if you think you could school me on the history of the FIFA World Cup 1930-2002 I'd be qute surprised.

Yeah anyway, I've not seen Zidane play but I have seen Shearer and Bergkamp play a handful of times and both have been responsible for some of the most memorable strikes in my life. Be it Shearer's second against Man Utd. at Ewood Park in 1994 that looked like Blackburn were going to wrestle the title from them or Bergkamp's sublime performance against Leicster in 97/8 when he scored the best hat-trick I have ever seen.

Shame about Boro last night but they were quite simply outclassed.
Mitchell
England squad as expected.

1 Paul Robinson
2 Gary Neville
3 Ashley Cole
4 Steven Gerrard
5 Rio Ferdinand
6 John Terry
7 David Beckham (captain)
8 Frank Lampard
9 Wayne Rooney
10 Michael Owen
11 Joe Cole
12 Sol Campbell
13 David James
14 Wayne Bridge
15 Jamie Carragher
16 Owen Hargreaves
17 Jermaine Jenas
18 Michael Carrick
19 Aaron Lennon
20 Stewart Downing
21 Peter Crouch
22 Robert Green
23 Theo Walcott


As have clear favourites Brazil

Goalkeepers: Dida (AC Milan), Julio Cesar (Inter Milan), Rogerio Ceni (Sao Paulo)

Defenders: Cafu (AC Milan), Cicinho (Real Madrid), Lucio (Bayern Munich), Juan (Bayer Leverkusen), Roberto Carlos (Real Madrid), Gilberto (Hertha Berlin), Cris (Olympique Lyon), Luisao (Benfica)

Midfielders: Edmilson (Barcelona), Juninho Pernambucano (Olympique Lyon), Emerson (Juventus), Ze Roberto (Bayern Munich), Gilberto Silva (Arsenal), Kaka (AC Milan), Ricardinho (Corinthians)

Forwards: Ronaldo (Real Madrid), Robinho (Real Madrid), Ronaldinho (Barcelona), Adriano (Inter Milan), Fred (Olympique Lyon).
Nick
QUOTE(Gareth Keenan Invetigates @ May 15 2006, 04:20 PM) [snapback]89389[/snapback]


As have clear favourites Brazil

Goalkeepers: Dida (AC Milan), Julio Cesar (Inter Milan), Rogerio Ceni (Sao Paulo)

Defenders: Cafu (AC Milan), Cicinho (Real Madrid), Lucio (Bayern Munich), Juan (Bayer Leverkusen), Roberto Carlos (Real Madrid), Gilberto (Hertha Berlin), Cris (Olympique Lyon), Luisao (Benfica)

Midfielders: Edmilson (Barcelona), Juninho Pernambucano (Olympique Lyon), Emerson (Juventus), Ze Roberto (Bayern Munich), Gilberto Silva (Arsenal), Kaka (AC Milan), Ricardinho (Corinthians)

Forwards: Ronaldo (Real Madrid), Robinho (Real Madrid), Ronaldinho (Barcelona), Adriano (Inter Milan), Fred (Olympique Lyon).


It might be insane to think, but I'm not at all sold on Brazil strolling to the championship. Looking at the lineup, yea, it is incredible that so many players are on a single side. However, Dida is by no means the most consistent goalie. Roberto Carlos is a shell of his former self. Kaka and Adriano did not finish the season in peak form. Ronaldo - possibly one of the greatest WC players of all time - is going to be fighting his urge to eat bratwurst and drink beer while in Germany.

I could see Ronaldinho having to carry them through the knockout stage. Without a doubt, they could come together and win every match by 2 goals or more. But I'm not sold on that idea.
Mitchell
I'm not sold on them as a team etc. but on paper and if they all played as well as they can that's a very strong team. I still think a European team will win. Could be any won of five though.

After tomorrow's victory for Barcelona I will be in World Cup mode (pausing slightly for the Play-off's, c'mon Watford.) I think I migh do a little guide to the Word Cup for the SOMB.

Shame you aren't in the UK, Nick as the BBC website is streaming highlights packages (running at 45 minutes each) as well as extended highlights of choice games from every tournament 1966-98 (not sure where 2002 is.) As well as highlights of every final from 1958 onwards.

Spent an hour watching 1966 today, will probably do the same with 1970 tomorrow.
Nick
QUOTE(Gareth Keenan Invetigates @ May 15 2006, 07:40 PM) [snapback]89599[/snapback]


After tomorrow's victory for Barcelona I will be in World Cup mode (pausing slightly for the Play-off's, c'mon Watford.) I think I migh do a little guide to the Word Cup for the SOMB.

Shame you aren't in the UK, Nick as the BBC website is streaming highlights packages (running at 45 minutes each) as well as extended highlights of choice games from every tournament 1966-98 (not sure where 2002 is.) As well as highlights of every final from 1958 onwards.

Spent an hour watching 1966 today, will probably do the same with 1970 tomorrow.


Well, I won't be in WC mode because Major League Soccer is going on biggrin.gif biggrin.gif ! Kidding.

There are about a dozen soccer sites or UK newspapers I read to give me my daily WC fix.
Mitchell
Paris is alive with anticipation ahead of the clash between Barcelona and Arsenal - the most eagerly awaited Champions League final for years.

Fans of both sides are partying in the shadow of the city's famous landmarks, with kick-off now just hours away.

It has been confirmed that Robert Pires will start in Arsenal's midfield, with Jose Antonio Reyes on the bench.

And England coach Sven-Goran Eriksson has backed a five-man Gunners midfield to cause Barca "a lot of problems".


Elsewhere Tottenham have agreed a fee of £10.9m for Bayer Leverkusen's Bulgarian striker Dimitar Berbatov. Berbatov joins a roster of strikers that includes Robbie Keane, Jermain Defoe and Mido.

However, Egyptian international Mido is coming to the end of his 18-month loan spell and a succession of injuries means Jol may not take up the option to sign him permanently.

The £10.9m will be the second highest fee paid by Spurs, whose record transfer is the £11m paid for Sergei Rebrov from Dynamo Kiev in 2000.

I think though that this means Defoe ----> Liverpool is a done deal.
Mitchell
First ever CL final red card goes to Jens Lehman (desereved) but the refferee should have let the goal stand. Oh dear.

Looks like the end of Pires' Arsenal career as well.
Mitchell
What was Campbell doing up there? fine header.

Arsenal already camped out in thier own half. Great save from Almunia to tip that onto the post.
Saskadelphia
Quite a game so far. Arsenal is playing with fire sitting back like this, but I guess they don't have much of a choice, having ten men trying to defend the best player on the planet.
Mitchell
Barcelona are looking fed up, they should really be pressing harder than this. Valdez is practically the best Barcelona player so far. Henry may regret that miss though.
Mitchell
QUOTE(Gareth Keenan Invetigates @ May 17 2006, 09:18 PM) [snapback]91284[/snapback]

Henry may regret that miss though.


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Saskadelphia
Good game. That last 20 minutes was inevitable.
Mitchell
Yeah, Larsson changed the game I felt, managed to cut the Arsenal rearguard up in a way they weren't able to cope with in the last few stages. Play-offs at the weekend then 3 weeks to the World Cup.
Nick
Barcalona were just too much with an extra man in the end. Great fight from Arsenal though. Is Henry even going to go back to England or just stay with his "new club" in Spain?
Mitchell
Henry to stay a Gunner until 2010

Thierry Henry has ended months of speculation about his future by signing a new four-year contract with Arsenal.

The 28-year-old had a year left on his previous deal and had been linked with a move to Barcelona but says he now expects to end his career at Arsenal.

"At one point it crossed my mind to leave," he told a news conference on Friday, two days after Arsenal lost the Champions League final to Barcelona.

"But I think with my heart and my heart told me to stay."

He added: "I've never played in Spain and never will. This is my last contract.

"This is the best country to play football. It's the passion I like. Here you can do your job in the right way - people here respect the players."

Henry said Arsenal's performance in the 2-1 defeat to Barcelona had been key to his decision to commit his future to the club.

"We can be so proud of what we did," he said.

"The game reassured me of one thing I wanted to know - how far I can go with that team. They showed me they are a team with heart and lots of quality.

"In the past year the fans have been more than amazing and after the way we lost on Wednesday, I couldn't let them down.

"It was another thing to add and a positive thing to make me stay."

Henry joined Arsenal for £10.5m from Juventus in August 1999 and has gone on to become the club's record goalscorer.

He was recently voted Football Writers' Association player of the year for a record third time.

Manager Arsene Wenger expressed his delight that an eventful week for Arsenal had ended on a positive note.

"I had two aims at the start of the week: to win the European Cup and then to make Thierry stay," said Wenger.

"I only managed one of those but, for the future of the club, that's certainly the best one.

"I believe this season has created a special bond inside the team and there is much more to come.

"Wednesday night reinforced that feeling among the players and if you want to continue that progression it would rely on Thierry's decision. It is basically an insurance for the future."

And Wenger said Henry's decision only increased his confidence about Arsenal's future.

"We are the only club in the world with three teenagers at the World Cup - Theo Walcott, Cesc Fabregas and Johan Djorou.

"When they come back, they will be stronger and that will be like three new signings and then over the summer, we will try to sign at least one or two more quality players."

Story from BBC SPORT:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/sport1/hi...nal/4996270.stm
Mitchell
Domestic transfer stuff.

Johnson to Everton for 8.5m after Wigan and Bolton have made bids. Waste of money, only scored so many goals in the premiershipas Palace had no-one else to share the burdern and they won an abnormal amount of penalties.

Shevchenko looks like he's on the way to Stamford Bridge. Bookies will probably stop taking bets on them retaining the league by October.

Mido to leave Spurs, Berbatov looks much the better player and more likely to fit with Defoe (if he stays) or Keane. They may well get another forward though.

Robert Huth looks like he is going to Wigan for £5.5m, good to see them spending money to try and do as well as they have done season past.
Mitchell
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/t...sea/5035604.stm

All bets are off.


Chelsea have completed the signing of striker Andriy Shevchenko from AC Milan for a fee of around £30m.

The 29-year-old signed a four-year contract on Wednesday after agreeing personal terms and passing a medical.

"I am here for the challenge and the excitement of the Premier League," said the Ukraine captain.

Because the exact fee has not been disclosed, it is not known whether it beats the £30m Manchester United gave Leeds in 2002 for Rio Ferdinand.

Shevchenko, former European Footballer of the Year, added: "I am going from one big club to another and joining a team of champions.

"There is a right moment to join a football club and I think I have arrived here at the perfect time.

"The Champions League has to be a realistic target for next season but it is not just about the Champions League. Chelsea is going for their third Premiership as well and I like the club's mentality of wanting to win every game they play.

"I have followed Mr (Jose) Mourinho's career carefully for the last few years and have been hugely impressed with the way he manages.

He puts team ethic before individual expression which is the way I believe great teams are created.

"Had money been my motivation for coming, I would probably have stayed in Milan.

"I am pleased that Chelsea managed to conclude everything before the World Cup - I can go to Germany with a clear mind and proud to be a Chelsea player."

A statement on AC Milan's website said: "AC Milan communicates it has ceded definitely the sporting rights of Andriy Shevchenko to Chelsea."

Shevchenko's arrival follows that of midfielder Michael Ballack from Bayern Munich and Feyenoord striker Salomon Kalou.
Nick
They're building an empire.
Mitchell
Re-reading this thread I noticed I never checked back on my predictions. (real points in brackets)

QUOTE(Gareth Keenan Invetigates @ Apr 11 2006, 12:30 AM) [snapback]61570[/snapback]

Chelsea 93 (91)
Man Utd 88 (83)
Liverpool 82 (82)
Arsenal 65 (67)
Tottenham 64 (65)
Blackburn 58 (63)
Bolton 55 (56)
Everton 55 (50)
Newcastle 53 (58)
West Ham 52 (55)
Wigan 52 (51)
Charlton 48 (47)
Man City 45 (43)
Fulham 44 (48)
Middlesborough 42 (45)
Aston Villa 40 (42)
Portsmouth 37 (38)
-------------------
Birmingham 33 (34)
West Brom 30 (30)
Sunderland 13 (15)



Not too shabby
Ben
Tell me about Salomon Kalou.

What's the Chelsea starting 11 next season?

Is there a payroll database or resource anywhere ala USA Today's major league baseball tracker?
Mitchell
Premiership wages actually dropped for the first time this season past BBC story. Aside from checking what clubs allocate from their budget on wages most weekly figures (like Shevchenko's £135k pw) are mainly speculation. Deloitte's report was published on 1/6.

Kalou, well it's a good job that he hasn't undergone Dutch naturalization yet as he could be playing against his brother in the World Cup. I've not seen that much of him at Feyenoord but 35 goals in two seasons tells it's own story.

Chelsea's first team. I think they are basically assembling enough players to be able to field two teams, one domestically and one in Europe. Bascially it's Cech, Carvalho, Terry, Lampard, Makelele and Shevchenko alongside who ever Jose feels like for the opponents.
Ben
And what of all this stink about Blair backing tougher regulations for British representation on the teams? Could you weight the domestic matches with British players? Is the roster big enough to allow that strategy?
Nick
They also landed the 19 year old from Nigeria, Obi, that it seemed every big club in the world wanted.

Those MLS All Star game tickets that I purchased are looking better and better with each Chelsea signing. It will be like watching the MLS All Stars take on the Worlds' All Stars.
Ben
Jaime v. World.
Mitchell
QUOTE(Ben @ Jun 4 2006, 03:29 PM) [snapback]102264[/snapback]

And what of all this stink about Blair backing tougher regulations for British representation on the teams? Could you weight the domestic matches with British players? Is the roster big enough to allow that strategy?


Anything that restricts the power of G14 is fine by me. More clubs should be following the example that Spurs have been showing in the past couple of years and has resulted in their best finish in over 15 years. Along with having 7 players (all in their early 20's) with full England caps. Arsenal and Chelsea could barely field an adequate British (let alone English) side between them.

Of course if it stops things like this happening it's for the good.

QUOTE

On June 2nd 2006, Chelsea, Manchester United, Lyn Oslo and John Obi Mikel reached a settlement to resolve the future of the player. Mikel's registration will be transferred from Lyn to Chelsea; Manchester United have also agreed to terminate their option agreement with Mikel. Under the terms of this agreement Chelsea will pay Manchester United £12million, half paid upon the finalisation of the contract and the other half in June 2007, and Lyn £4million, half payable now, and half payable in June 2007. As a result of this settlement all claims in this matter, which Chelsea were never an official party to, were withdrawn.
Ben
Throwing bananas at people?! New York Times puts you cultured Europeans on A1
QUOTE
June 4, 2006
Surge in Racist Mood Raises Concerns on Eve of World Cup
By JERE LONGMAN

HAMBURG, Germany, June 3 — As he left the soccer field after a club match in the eastern German city of Halle on March 25, the Nigerian forward Adebowale Ogungbure was spit upon, jeered with racial remarks and mocked with monkey noises. In rebuke, he placed two fingers under his nose to simulate a Hitler mustache and thrust his arm in a Nazi salute.

In April, the American defender Oguchi Onyewu, playing for his professional club team in Belgium, dismissively gestured toward fans who were making simian chants at him. Then, as he went to throw the ball inbounds, Onyewu said a fan of the opposing team reached over a barrier and punched him in the face.

International soccer has been plagued for years by violence among fans, including racial incidents. But FIFA, soccer's Zurich-based world governing body, said there has been a recent surge in discriminatory behavior toward blacks by fans and other players, an escalation that has dovetailed with the signing of more players from Africa and Latin America by elite European clubs.

This "deplorable trend," as FIFA has called it, now threatens to embarrass the sport on its grandest stage, the World Cup, which opens June 9 for a monthlong run in 12 cities around Germany. More than 30 billion cumulative television viewers are expected to watch part of the competition and Joseph S. Blatter, FIFA's president, has vowed to crack down on racist behavior during the tournament.

Underlining FIFA's concerns, the issue has been included on the agenda at its biannual Congress, scheduled to be held this week in Munich. A campaign against bigotry includes "Say No to Racism" stadium banners, television commercials, and team captains making pregame speeches during the quarterfinals of the 32-team tournament.

Players, coaches and officials have been threatened with sanctions. But FIFA has said it would not be practical to use the harshest penalties available to punish misbehaving fans — halting matches, holding games in empty stadiums and deducting points that teams receive for victories and ties.

Players and antiracism experts said they expected offensive behavior during the tournament, including monkey-like chanting; derisive singing; the hanging of banners that reflect neofascist and racist beliefs; and perhaps the tossing of bananas or banana peels, all familiar occurrences during matches in Spain, Italy, eastern Germany and eastern Europe.

"For us it's quite clear this is a reflection of underlying tensions that exist in European societies," said Piara Powar, director of the London-based antiracist soccer organization Kick It Out. He said of Eastern Europe: "Poverty, unemployment, is a problem. Indigenous people are looking for easy answers to blame. Often newcomers bear the brunt of the blame."

Yet experts and players also said they believed the racist behavior would be more constrained at the World Cup than it was during play in various domestic leagues around Europe, because of increased security, the international makeup of the crowds, higher ticket prices and a sense that spectators would be generally well behaved on soccer's grandest stage.

"We have to differentiate inside and outside the stadium," said Kurt Wachter, project coordinator for the Vienna-based Football Against Racism in Europe, a network of organizations that seeks to fight bigotry and xenophobia in 35 countries.

"Racism is a feature of many football leagues inside and outside Europe," said Wachter, who expects most problems to occur outside stadiums where crowds are less controlled. "We're sure we will see some things we're used to seeing. It won't stop because of the World Cup."

Particularly worrisome are the possibilities of attacks by extremist groups on spectators and visitors in train stations, bars, restaurants and open areas near the stadiums, Wachter and other experts said. To promote tolerance, he said his organization would organize street soccer matches outside World Cup stadiums.

Recent attacks in the eastern Germany city of Potsdam on an Ethiopian-born engineer and in eastern Berlin on a state lawmaker of Turkish descent, along with a government report showing an increase in right-wing violence, have ignited fears that even sporadic hate crimes and other intolerant behavior could mar the World Cup, whose embracing motto is A Time to Make Friends.

Far-right extremism is isolated on the fringe of German society, and the German government has intended to confront its Nazi past while preaching openness and tolerance. Germany has one of the world's lowest rates of violent crime. Still, an immigrant group called the Africa Council said it would publish a "No Go" guide for nonwhites during the World Cup, particularly for some areas of eastern Berlin and for surrounding towns of the state of Brandenburg.

In mid-May, a former government spokesman, Uwe-Karsten Heye, caused a furor when he tried to assist visitors by advising that anyone "with a different skin color" avoid visiting small and midsize towns in Brandenburg and elsewhere in eastern Germany, or they "may not leave with their lives."

These remarks received blunt criticism from high-ranking German officials. Wolfgang Schäuble, the minister of the interior, said there were no areas in which World Cup visitors should feel threatened, calling Germany "one of the safest places in the world."

Angela Merkel, Germany's chancellor, has warned that "anybody who threatens, attacks or, worse, kills anybody because of the color of his skin or because he comes from another country will face the full force of the law."

The Bundesliga in Germany is one of the world's top professional soccer leagues, and has not experienced widespread racism. Incidents involving racial abuse of black players are more prevalent in semiprofessional and amateur leagues in eastern Germany. One of the cities playing host to the World Cup, Leipzig, is in the former East Germany. Another, Berlin, was partly in East Germany.

After making a Nazi salute, which is illegal in Germany, Ogungbure of Nigeria was investigated by the authorities. But a charge of unconstitutional behavior against him was soon dropped because his gesture had been meant to renounce extremist activity.

"I regret what I did," Ogungbure said in a telephone interview from Leipzig. "I should have walked away. I'm a professional, but I'm a human, too. They don't spit on dogs. Why should they spit on me? I felt like a nobody."

Gerald Asamoah, a forward on Germany's World Cup team and a native of Ghana, has been recounting an incident in the 1990's when he was pelted with bananas before a club match in Cottbus. "I'll never forget that," he said in a television interview. "It's like we're not people." He has expressed anger and sadness over a banner distributed by a right-wing group that admonished, "No Gerald, You Are Not Germany."

Cory Gibbs, an American defender who formerly played professionally in Germany, said there were restaurants and nightclubs in eastern Germany — and even around Hamburg in the west — where he was told "You're not welcome" because he was black.

"I think racism is everywhere," said Gibbs, who will miss the World Cup because of a knee injury. "But I feel in Germany racism is a lot more direct."

Racist behavior at soccer matches is primarily displayed by men and is fueled by several factors, according to experts: alcohol; the perceived "us versus them" threat of multiculturalism in societies that were once more ethnically homogenous; the difficult economic transition of eastern European nations since the fall of the Berlin Wall; and crude attempts to unnerve opposing players during bitter, consuming rivalries.

Other observers say that the soccer stadium in Europe has become a communal soapbox, one of the few remaining public spaces where spectators can be outrageous and where political correctness does not exist and is even discouraged.

"Nowhere else other than football do people meet someplace and have a stage for shouting things as an anonymous mass," said Gerd Dembowski, director of a Berlin-based antiracist organization called Floodlight. "You can shout things you would never say in your normal life, let out your frustrations."

Not all the misbehavior can be traced to fans or to Europe. Players and coaches have also been transgressors.

Luis Aragonés, Spain's World Cup coach, was fined in 2004 after making racial remarks about the French star Thierry Henry. In March, in the Brazilian league, the defender Antonio Carlos was suspended for 120 days, and 4 additional matches, after an incident in which he shouted "monkey" at an opposing player who was black. But it was an incident in Spain on Feb. 25 that galvanized antiracist sentiment and prodded FIFA into taking a tougher stand against bigoted behavior. That match, in Zaragoza, was temporarily halted in the 77th minute by the referee, who threatened to cancel the remaining 13 minutes after Samuel Eto'o, the star forward for Barcelona, was subjected to a chorus of racial taunts. Eto'o threatened to leave the field. His coach and teammates eventually persuaded him to continue, and last month Barcelona won the European Champions Cup.

Eto'o has become one of the sport's most outspoken players on the subject of racism. "I'll continue to play," Eto'o, whose national team, Cameroon, did not qualify for the World Cup, said this week through his agent. "I'm not going to give up and hide and put my head down. I'll score goals against the teams whose fans are making rude noises."

Under pressure to curb what it acknowledged was an increase in racist incidents, FIFA in late March announced a stricter set of penalties that would apply for club and national team matches. The sanctions would include suspensions of five matches for players and officials who make discriminatory gestures, fines of $16,600 to $25,000 for each offense and two-year stadium bans for offending spectators. It also said teams, which receive 3 points in the standings for a victory, would have 3 points deducted on a first offense by misbehaving players, officials or fans.

Blatter, the FIFA president, told reporters that the 3-point deduction for abhorrent fan behavior would apply during the World Cup, then backed away from his comments in April. Blatter declined to comment for this article. And it remains unclear exactly what penalties will be levied against World Cup teams for offensive behavior by fans, coaches and players.

Nicolas Maingot, a FIFA spokesman, said World Cup sanctions would be made public later. But in an e-mail response to questions, he said: "Only racist abuses in the field of play will be punished. For fans, it will be impossible, due to the multinationality of the audience. In other words, it would be impossible to identify from which side would potential racist abusers come."

Critics counter that spectators are supposed to have their names on their tickets, so identifying offending fans should be relatively easy.

Onyewu, the American defender who was punched by an opposing fan in Belgium, said the man was identified through an anonymous tip and was barred from attending matches for two years. He said he did not retaliate because he believed that racist behavior reflected acts of a minority of fans.

"I'm anticipating a more professional environment in Germany because it's the World Cup," Onyewu said. Even so, he said, although antiracist efforts could restrict public behavior, "that's only helping the exterior."

He added, "The interior mind thinking, you can't really change that."
Ben
What do you make of this douche bag?

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Mitchell
I can't get over the way that this is spreading in European countries. There was always an element of that kind of behaviour at clubs with facist elemtns in their supporters in Italy etc. UEFA and FIFA should have set an example when Spanish fans made monkey noises aganist England. As moronic as some of the English fhooligans that attach themselves to the national team are at least this kind of chanting is something that has been aquashed since the early 90's and not tolerated by the average fan. I am slightly worried about Eastern European sides coming over to stir things up in cities where England are playing. The Government does a bang up job trying to ensure that the 3,000 or so scum that tarnish the name of English football don't travel abroad during tournaments.

Is that guy always that funny? My sides.
Mitchell
A few non World Cup stories; Barcelona agree Gudjohnsen deal, £8Million. Good player but with Shevchenko at the club he'd not have seen much the pitch. Good replacement for Larsson and not a bad price.

Carrick is not going anywhere says Jol after Man United's £10,000,000 bid. Seen as the perfect replacement for the hole left by Roy Keane who has made me feel old by retiring.
Mitchell
As I've mentioned before Zakora looks like he is now a Yid and that will mean Carrick goes to Old Trafford.

How do I know this?

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Zokora is on his way... it was confirmed in possibly the most unbelievable way ever...

Basically a Tottenham supporting Dad and son were staying in the Ivory Coast hotel. After the match last night, the lad waits in the lobby for the players to come through... shock horror, in walks Comolli, our sporting director who spots the kids England/Tottenham flag... Comolli is shocked to see this random Yid kid in the Ivory coast hotel so takes a snap of him on his phone. And says 'I'll send that to levy'. Comolli also poses for a photo with the kid...

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Great... so the kid interrogates Comolli on why he's there, and he says he's just there to wrap up the Zokora deal... so then in walks the players and Comolli gets the Zokora to pose for a picture with the kid...

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How fucking hilarious is that...

Mitchell
Serie A quartet will stand trial

Italian football heavyweights Juventus, AC Milan, Lazio and Fiorentina will all face a sports court over allegations of corruption in the game.

An Italian Football Federation (FIGC) statement said prosecutor Stefano Palazzi had charged a total of 30 "subjects" for a range of illegalities.

Twenty-six unnamed people - but no players - are also set to stand trial.

Hearings will begin next Wednesday, with those found guilty facing the prospect of fines, bans and relegation.

BBC News' Rome correspondent Christian Fraser said: "It was a bittersweet day here. Within hours of Italy making it into the last 16, the country's football federation announced which teams would be involved in the hearings next week.

"The announcement did not come out until the Stock Exchange in Milan closed, where two of the four clubs involved, Juventus and Lazio, are listed.

"If any of these teams are found guilty then they could be relegated and will not take part in the European club competitions next season."

An investigation was started following the publication in May of telephone conversations in which the then Juventus general manager Luciano Moggi was heard telling referees chief Pierluigi Pairetto which match officials he wanted assigned to certain games.

Thirteen of Italy's 23-man World Cup squad play for the four clubs that are under scrutiny.

Separate criminal prosecutions may follow the FIGC trial, which is expected to deliver its verdicts between 7 and 9 July - the weekend of the World Cup final.

The decision was announced after the close of trading at the Milan Stock Exchange because some of the teams involved in the scandal are listed.

In an eight-line press release, it was confirmed that defendants from the four clubs would receive the 108-page dossier into the investigations on Friday.

A total of 30 people are under investigation, but due to Italian privacy laws, none of the names could be released.

It has been anticipated that severe sanctions, including possible relegation from Serie A, will be imposed on clubs found guilty of attempting to fix matches.

Juventus finished top of the table ahead of second-placed AC Milan in Serie A last season, but were only awarded the title on a "provisional" basis, according to former FIGC president Franco Carraro.

Carraro resigned in May, along with Moggi and the entire Juventus board.
Nick
Bellamy signed with Liverpool today. biggrin.gif
Mitchell
Saturday, 05 August 2006

Coca-Cola Football League One
Gillingham v Huddersfield, 15:00


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