For all of us that are not interested in the circle jerk on etc board. Let's put out our random therories and rants in list format.


1) Bandwagonesque is better than BOTH Loveless and Nevermind

2) If you trimmed the outros from a few of the tracks on it Be Here Now would be a really good album.

3) "Beetlebum" is the best single of 1997.

4) The review of Arctic Monkeys in Q this month is spot on, I may have to find a link to it.

5) The opening lines of "Hope There's Someone" and "Disorder" perfectly set up the themes for the rest of both those albums.

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1. I can't stand The Doors.
2. Why is it when I introduce someone to a band they always say, "Wow! How come these guys are never on the radio???"
3. The Blue Aeroplanes played the entire Swagger record at The Borderline on Tuesday night. Sorry I couldn't be there for it, but I'm not that strong a swimmer.
4. Learning to play guitar really ruined me for a lot of pop music.
5. Where's my waitress?

1. I think even people who like the Doors only like them for a couple years then "grow out of it." I'm in this category.
2. I think downloading music is ruining my appreciation. I have like 6 new albums I've downloaded and haven't even listened to yet.
3. In the old days I'd buy a CD and listen to it for at least a few days straight.
4. I realize I have no sense for pop music when, even being a musician/singer myself, I sometimes have no idea if the the AmericanIdol judges are gonna break good or bad on a given contestant.
5. I'm seeing Tweedy solo in a couple weeks. Kind of excited for it, but will probably be the most "casual" Wilco fan in the joint.

I'll rephrase that for the snobbish, "If you trimmed the outros from a few of the tracks on it Be Here Now would be equal of the earlier albums"

"D'Ya Know What I Mean" was a great lead off single. "Stand By Me" and "All Around The World" would work so much better with a good quarter of the running time chopped off (Many could argue the same of Dylan's mid 60's epics)

"My Big Mouth," "It's Getting Better (Man!!)," and "Be Here Now" rock much harder than anything on the previous album and "Don't Go Away" is better than at least 4 of the tracks on MG. It's only the cocaine ego (It's no Station To Station) and extended guitar wankery that ruins it.

That could be said about any artist.

Besides, the Doors have some killer tunes. "the end", "riders on the storm", "la woman", are all original masterpieces.

1. I think other people in this thread are OTM re: The Doors (except Montana ).

2. Not enough people are listening to that Wolfmother CD.

3. I miss Justin Timberlake.

4. I'm not sure if the Kings of Leon have a bunch of good songs, or just have one good song they play over and over.

5. This thread is going to get crapped on big-time.

1. Disagree
2. There are
3. lots of artists
4. I like for many years
5. And don't grow out of.

I wish "d'ya know what I mean" was 15 minutes.

True. But just wait until May, when the album comes out here. It could go over huge.

Put me in the about 50 mins of good Doors music (which includes about 5 minutes of the End and 3 of Light My Fire) catergory. The rest can go un the bin.

'20th Century Fox' anyone?

1. Most somewhat recent/modern brit pop can be equated to the hair metal of the late 80's, although the brit poppers have better fashion sense.


2. Nickleback might be the worst rock band of all time


3. Alot of new music considered "good" really isn't.


4. Creedence Clearwater Revival had more talent on their ass hairs than Oasis, Blur, Coldplay and the Arctic Monkeys combined.

5. Almost all house music is bad.

1/5

out of morbid curiousity, I ask where he earned even one point

1. But your aim could improve with practice.
2. "Smite the Sausage" is a cool name for a song.
3. I like singers who sing with accents, even fake ones.
4. How come no one's come up with a song lampooning how much Dubya looks like Curious George?
5. How come Suicide is most often called Post Punk when they formed in '71, and many New York Punks based their stage presence on Alan Vega's confrontational style?

Haha, dear god.

Rounding up slighlty

Half point for 2 as they are pretty bad, 1/3 of a point for 3 but use of the word 'good' instead of 'awesome' undermined the point.

Nothing for 5 is which reads as "I don't like house music" No points for 4 which is an obvious attempt to goad me along with 1 as I dared to kick the sacred cow that is the cult of J. Morrison.

1. Curious George is sacred ground. Be careful.
2. CCR is as repetitive in its chord usage, vocals, and production as many Britpop bands. Neither are bad.
3. Pat Fish is one of the greatest songwriters ever.
4. The Blue Aeroplanes arrangements in "Swagger" will knock your dick in the dirt. If you have one. Otherwise, you'll be OTT surprised.
5. Can't get enough of that Super Sugar Crisp.

Amotin was expressing his fondness for the artist, not a desire to physically strike him.
They didn't release their first album until 1977 and the history writers prefer to go by recorded output.


Good explanation.
I wonder how much house music Montana listened to before making his claim. Presumably almost all of it, which must have taken years and years of work.

Hey! I thought I'm the only one thinking that.. Care to explain why?

Fixed

I used to work with several spinners in the 90's at clubs ,raves, you name it. I *am* from Chicago after all..... and when you are the "friend with the truck" you get into many interesting scenarios, lol.

I was about to say.

Ah, ok. And knowing several DJs in one city in the mid-'90s would surely be a good vantage point from which to condemn an entire genre.

Where do you *think* the House genre came from, and from what time period? Come on man, snap out of it.

One of my buddies turned fifty about a month ago, and he's been playing guitar since he was eight. When I took up guitar, he warned me that after awhile, the music I heard on the radio would begin to annoy me. Not all of it, just some of it.

The day I heard use of the B minor scale over a D chord (relative minor to major), I realized, "Fuck. This is Oasis. These guys are rolling in it, and I coulda done this."

Also, because pop music is so accessable, it's pretty straightforward. If there isn't something to grab you (hooks, lyrics, etc), it bounces off and leaves no lasting impression (like Robert B. Parker novels). And you don't even notice.

The mid-'80s, Montana. Not the mid-'90s.
Anyway by that logic people familiar with Memphis and Sun Studios and Chuck Berry would be authorized to pass judgement on UK '70s rock they know nothing about.

If anything, this thread should be entertaining for Raj Vs Montana debates.

Look dude, I know you are probably one of the many House/Anime freaks out there, and that's ok. I know alot of people like that. But the fact is almost all House music sucks, just like almost all Nu-country sucks. It's just a fact of life.

I lived and breathed House for a long time. I was active in the scene for a long time. Then at some point, one realizes most of it is shit. There's no heart in most of it, no soul, no warmth.

save for about 5-10 songs total, the Doors did really suck, most of the people in this thread are spot on.

Montana should write a tell-all book. "Chaffeur to the Chicago DJ stars." Bestseller brah.


no idea what this means


I can't even imagine how someone could think you can state quality in art as a "fact." It goes against the entire idea of art.


So first you were giving DJs rides in your truck and now you "lived and breathed House for a long time," huh. I'm sure you can name DJs, clubs, record labels, tracks and mixes to back up your deep familiarity with the scene.
Lots of great music has no heart, soul or warmth, obviously. Not house though.

I went to that house music festival in Chicago over the summer. It was loads of fun. Everyone was happy and we all kept yelling MAH SHILL JEFFERSON at the top of our lungs.

Mmm, House/anime.

They had more good songs than that.

Or also the other way round.





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The Doors huh.


Ugh. Don't get me started.

good songs, maybe, truly great/classic songs, nope. there's no way the Doors had more than 10 great songs, sorry.

Peace Frog is easily their best song for me, and i'll admit that song is great. Light My Fire? i realize tons of people dig it but i've always hated that song, that keyboard makes me want to slit my wrists.

funny that you (of all people) defend The Doors and The Eagles

I made thousands off of those raves/parties. Paid my way through a year of school comfortably with one summers work








It means one probably has a bad sex life.






I even made House music for a period of time. I have a pretty elaborate setup sitting right next to me to this day. I worked with (DJ) Sam, Skuzzles, Hollow, among others. I sold off almost all my House vinyl around 2000, along with a couple turntables. Most of the stuff I helped with was at the Smart Bar and various "last minute" rave parties. After several trips I realized House music was not even very good tripping music - something it was designed for in the first place.

Living in the city has always had it's benefits. Being involved in the House scene was really fun while it lasted, but the muisc has dated *terribly*.

Dude, have you ever seen an Otaku? They get mad pussy. Makin it to House and shit only enhances it.

Hell yes. I got everything, man. As long as it took talent to make it, I have it. By the way, you would think much differently of "Light My Fire" if you were on some magic mushrooms. Great shit....*big time* great.

I can't believe you actually said "magic mushrooms."

FAR OUT, DUDE.

It beats being an angry rapper ....


I'm....I'm.....gangsta! - O.G. Loc

the fact that you even bring drugs into question when arguing music just goes how far gone your mush for brains has gone.

if you need to use drugs for a certain band/music to sound good, then it chances are it sucks.

See the world through the eyes of Montana.

Nah. I haven't done mushrooms in a long time. But when I did, we would have huge listening parties that were incredible. One of the great music related things I have experienced. We would attend a ton of concerts in that fashion as well. These days I don't even drink or smoke up. Funny how time works right?

By the way, I wouldn't even consider mushrooms a drug, more of a mind opening experience. Weed, pills and coke I would consider a drug (I have never done coke, and proud of it).

I'm a fan of house but probably not a "freak" for it, and I know little about anime, so I'm not sure how I fit in this category. I'm vaguely unsettled at the thought of Montana gauging my sex life.


Assuming you are knowledgeable on Chicago house from the mid-'90s, I still don't see how that becomes "almost all house music," including millions and millions of records from around the world over the last 20 years.

I mean obviously I don't expect you to like house - your tastes are pretty conservative and you don't really strike me as the dance music type at all. I'm just making a point that generalizations are ridiculous by nature and stating that something like that is "fact" is even moreso.

1. Destroyer has the best album I've heard this year.

2. Man Man are The Drunkcemerists. And pretty damn good.

3. The new Belle & Sebastian is a grower.

4. The Arctic Monkeys are nothing special.

5. If the Flaming Lips one doesn't leak on here in the next 24 hours I will burn this motherfucker to the ground.

Hahahahha... that is pretty funny.


by the way, all the great bands did mushrooms. Perhaps their expeirence helped them to write better musiic...




Actually my tastes are all over the place. I do own dance music, and most of my recording gear is of the synthesizer variety. But like Nu-country, I find most House to be bad, that's all.

1. Jeremiah was a bullfrog
2. He was a good friend of mine
3. I never understood a single thing he said
4. But I could always help him drink his wine
5. We always had a mighty fine time.