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ryan
QUOTE(cnn.com "breaking news")

Israel launched airstrikes and sent troops into southern Lebanon today after Hezbollah said its guerrillas had abducted two Israeli soldiers. Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert described the Hezbollah attacks as an "act of war" and promised a "very painful and far-reaching" response, The Associated Press reported.
Mitchell
Always good for a laugh
crease
From Suskind's 2004 piece in the NY Times magazine...

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Still, some couldn't resist. As I reported in "The Price of Loyalty," at the Bush administration's first National Security Council meeting, Bush asked if anyone had ever met Ariel Sharon. Some were uncertain if it was a joke. It wasn't: Bush launched into a riff about briefly meeting Sharon two years before, how he wouldn't ''go by past reputations when it comes to Sharon. . . . I'm going to take him at face value,'' and how the United States should pull out of the Arab-Israeli conflict because ''I don't see much we can do over there at this point.'' Colin Powell, for one, seemed startled. This would reverse 30 years of policy -- since the Nixon administration -- of American engagement. Such a move would unleash Sharon, Powell countered, and tear the delicate fabric of the Mideast in ways that might be irreparable. Bush brushed aside Powell's concerns impatiently. ''Sometimes a show of force by one side can really clarify things.''
Uncle Remus
Israel should wipe Palestine off the face of the earth. It's only fair that they just give up diplomacy. Palestine will never stop.
crease
at moments like these, i feel the same way about wheeling, illinois.
sin city
QUOTE(crease @ Jul 12 2006, 08:36 AM) [snapback]130599[/snapback]
at moments like these, i feel the same way about wheeling, illinois.




really, who hasn't at one point?

Uncle Remus
QUOTE(crease @ Jul 12 2006, 08:36 AM) [snapback]130599[/snapback]

at moments like these, i feel the same way about wheeling, illinois.



I feel the same way.

I felt the same way when I lived there, too.













idiot
crease
QUOTE(Bhickman @ Jul 12 2006, 08:38 AM) [snapback]130604[/snapback]

QUOTE(crease @ Jul 12 2006, 08:36 AM) [snapback]130599[/snapback]

at moments like these, i feel the same way about wheeling, illinois.



I feel the same way.

I felt the same way when I lived there, too.













idiot

maybe you should just quit the board....again...hmm?
Uncle Remus
maybe you should come over here and suck my dick.
Mitchell
Or at least help him find it.
Uncle Remus
you can come over here, too, you limey cocksucker.
crease
QUOTE(Bhickman @ Jul 12 2006, 08:42 AM) [snapback]130615[/snapback]

maybe you should come over here and suck my dick.

take your meds, child.
Uncle Remus
shut up asshole.
Mitchell
QUOTE(Bhickman @ Jul 12 2006, 02:46 PM) [snapback]130622[/snapback]

you can come over here, too, you limey cocksucker.


Questions,

Is there enough room?

Have you washed?

Can I get some BBQ sauce?
Uncle Remus
why are you jumping in on this Mitchell?
Mitchell
No reason, It's nearly three pm here and i'm bored.
undo
I thought that the "roadmap to peace" was well on its way to success.
without_opinion
i can't tell if we need the UN to step in for Israel or Bhickman
Mancow
Let's get rid of everybody who doesn't listen to me.
MCF
QUOTE(ryan @ Jul 12 2006, 07:54 AM) [snapback]130557[/snapback]

QUOTE(cnn.com "breaking news")

Israel launched airstrikes and sent troops into southern Lebanon today after Hezbollah said its guerrillas had abducted two Israeli soldiers. Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert described the Hezbollah attacks as an "act of war" and promised a "very painful and far-reaching" response, The Associated Press reported.



Been reading out this at debka.com. Check it out. Good site.

Scary situation.

With Sharon gone, Israel is not acting wisely.

Russia wants the war, and is in full support of Damascus. The USA is non existent in the situation, we are too pre-occupied in Iraq and Afghanistan/N. Korea.

Israel seems to be on it's own, the battle lines are being drawn. This is serious shit.
Uncle Remus
Hi Ace, you faggot.
without_opinion
what does ace have to do with israel war-mongering?
held
QUOTE(MCF @ Jul 12 2006, 10:49 AM) [snapback]130793[/snapback]

The USA is non existent in the situation, we are too pre-occupied in Iraq and Afghanistan/N. Korea.

Israel seems to be on it's own, the battle lines are being drawn. This is serious shit.


Where do you get this idea? We send more military funding to Israel than any other country on the globe! Well, did pre-Iraq/Afghan stuff. On avg. it's over 2 mil a year on that alone but I think the overall financing is around 40-50 mil. Oddly enough the other big payout for military assistance is Egypt. I don't know where things are offset with the other conflicts but we certainly aren't turning anyone away at this point and we're not siding with Hamas so we seem to be bidding our time to see how this thing rolls out as far as I can tell. Israel sure doesn't want the headache either cause I don't sense they're looking to annex the Palestinian territories again.

ref: http://www.fas.org/asmp/profiles/aid/aidindex.htm

QUOTE(Bhickman @ Jul 12 2006, 10:49 AM) [snapback]130794[/snapback]

Hi Ace, you faggot.

hate to break yer heart but he's not Ace.
Uncle Remus
thanks for not wanting to break my heart. Ace has become the regular term for "Troll" to me.
NumberTenOx
Oh no, Brett's speaking in tounges. Those Pro-Lifers and their mind-control ray really got to you.
held
QUOTE(Bhickman @ Jul 12 2006, 01:17 PM) [snapback]131032[/snapback]

thanks for not wanting to break my heart. Ace has become the regular term for "Troll" to me.


ah. gotcha. He's one of the Creepy D characters... and not necessarily the brightest of the bunch.
They're good peoples though.


MCF
QUOTE(held @ Jul 12 2006, 01:13 PM) [snapback]131026[/snapback]

QUOTE(MCF @ Jul 12 2006, 10:49 AM) [snapback]130793[/snapback]

The USA is non existent in the situation, we are too pre-occupied in Iraq and Afghanistan/N. Korea.

Israel seems to be on it's own, the battle lines are being drawn. This is serious shit.


Where do you get this idea? We send more military funding to Israel than any other country on the globe! Well, did pre-Iraq/Afghan stuff. On avg. it's over 2 mil a year on that alone but I think the overall financing is around 40-50 mil. Oddly enough the other big payout for military assistance is Egypt. I don't know where things are offset with the other conflicts but we certainly aren't turning anyone away at this point and we're not siding with Hamas so we seem to be bidding our time to see how this thing rolls out as far as I can tell. Israel sure doesn't want the headache either cause I don't sense they're looking to annex the Palestinian territories again.

ref: http://www.fas.org/asmp/profiles/aid/aidindex.htm

QUOTE(Bhickman @ Jul 12 2006, 10:49 AM) [snapback]130794[/snapback]

Hi Ace, you faggot.

hate to break yer heart but he's not Ace.


I get the idea straight from Isreal. I know all about the funding. But, my point is that Washington has been silent about the current situation. And Israel is feeling it. The USA is pre-occupied and our enemies are taking advantage. It's true.


QUOTE(held @ Jul 12 2006, 01:22 PM) [snapback]131038[/snapback]

QUOTE(Bhickman @ Jul 12 2006, 01:17 PM) [snapback]131032[/snapback]

thanks for not wanting to break my heart. Ace has become the regular term for "Troll" to me.


ah. gotcha. He's one of the Creepy D characters... and not necessarily the brightest of the bunch.
They're good peoples though.


Sorry Bhickman. I like you.

QUOTE(Bhickman @ Jul 12 2006, 08:32 AM) [snapback]130594[/snapback]

Israel should wipe Palestine off the face of the earth. It's only fair that they just give up diplomacy. Palestine will never stop.


Sorry again Bhickman. Only dicks like me over react on message boards.
Uncle Remus
MCF - I didn't even know you posted after Mancow until just now. Mancow is who I was referring to. You must have posted seconds before I did. But thanks for your bullshit.
biggie mcsmalls
LOL. Seriously. Hahahahahahaha.

The interweb.
Uncle Remus
PS: What the fuck is a "Creepy D"?
Tony
In all seriousness Wheeling is sort of a dump isn't it? I drive through there all the time and see nothing but run down strip malls. Is it generally regarded this way?
Uncle Remus
WTF?

Wheeling's a poor town. Mostly hispanics. It's also home to restaurant row, with one of the most world renowned restaurants in the world.
ryan
QUOTE(Bhickman @ Jul 12 2006, 04:10 PM) [snapback]131461[/snapback]

one of the most world renowned restaurants in the world.

Awesome.
Uncle Remus
what's awesome? Did I misspell a word?
MCF
QUOTE(Bhickman @ Jul 12 2006, 04:49 PM) [snapback]131426[/snapback]

MCF - I didn't even know you posted after Mancow until just now. Mancow is who I was referring to. You must have posted seconds before I did. But thanks for your bullshit.


See my new replies above (I erased the old ones). And, further, I shouldn't have been such a fuckface.

I am a Chinese Negro.

I love you.

Napolean

QUOTE(Bhickman @ Jul 12 2006, 04:49 PM) [snapback]131428[/snapback]

PS: What the fuck is a "Creepy D"?


A band.
ryan
QUOTE(Bhickman @ Jul 12 2006, 04:12 PM) [snapback]131465[/snapback]

what's awesome? Did I misspell a word?

Nah, just "the most world renowned restaurants in the world" part.

Ya know, as opposed to one of the most world renowned restaurants in the sun.

I'm just bored Brett...I giggled...I posted.

Meh.
Dag Nasty
QUOTE(ryan @ Jul 12 2006, 05:12 PM) [snapback]131464[/snapback]

QUOTE(Bhickman @ Jul 12 2006, 04:10 PM) [snapback]131461[/snapback]

one of the most world renowned restaurants in the world.

Awesome.


"I'm gonna get the papers, get the papers!" - Jimmy 'Two Times' (Goodfellas)
ryan
QUOTE(msnbc.com)
Israel strikes within 10 miles of Beirut
Prime minister says assaults over captured prisoners will be ‘very painful’
MSNBC News Services


Updated: 4:33 p.m. MT July 12, 2006
BEIRUT, Lebanon - Israeli warplanes and gunboats struck a Palestinian guerrilla base south of Beirut late Wednesday, Lebanese security officials said.

The attack is the closest raid to the Lebanese capital since fighting erupted in southern Lebanon after guerrillas captured two Israeli soldiers Wednesday.

Warplanes flew over the Naameh base in the hills overlooking the Mediterranean, about 10 miles south of Beirut. Gunboats sailed facing the position, and explosions rang out across the area.

The base is run by the Syrian-backed Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine-General Command and was a frequent target of Israeli attacks in the past.

There was no immediate word on casualties at Naameh. Hezbollah said its guerrillas destroyed two Israeli tanks that attempted to cross the border into Lebanon on two different occasions Wednesday.

Kidnapping soldiers ‘act of war’
Israeli ground troops entered southern Lebanon on Wednesday to search for two soldiers captured earlier in the day by Hezbollah guerrillas, Israeli government officials said.

Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert called the soldiers’ capture “an act of war,” and his Cabinet prepared to approve more military action in Lebanon — a second front in the fight against Islamic militants by Israel, which already is waging an operation to free a captured soldier in the Gaza Strip. The Israel military said eight of its soldiers had been killed in the violence.

Meanwhile, Israel began calling up reserve troops on Wednesday, signaling a large-scale campaign to retrieve the two soldiers, Israel’s Channel 10 television said. The report added that a reserve infantry division had been mobilized and was expected to be sent to Israel's northern border with Lebanon.

The Israeli army said three soldiers were killed in the initial Lebanon raid, and four others were killed when their tank went over a land mine in southern Lebanon.

Olmert said he held the Lebanese government responsible for the two soldiers’ safety, vowing that the Israeli response “will be restrained, but very, very, very painful.”

Hezbollah leader Sheik Hassan Nasrallah said he will not release the captives except as part of a prisoner swap. He said the two soldiers were “in a safe and very far place.”

“No military operation will return them,” he told a news conference in Beirut. “The prisoners will not be returned except through one way: indirect negotiations and a trade.”

Striking deep
Israeli jets struck deep into southern Lebanon, blasting bridges and Hezbollah positions and killing two civilians, the Lebanese officials said.

Residents of Israeli towns on the border with Lebanon were ordered to seek cover in underground bomb shelters.

The Israeli stock market plunged on word that two more soldiers were captured and that Israel was getting entangled in a second front against Lebanese guerrillas. The exchange’s TA-25 blue chip index sank as much as 4.9 percent in exceptionally heavy trading. It rose slightly in afternoon trading to close down 4.2 percent.

The United States, U.N., European Union, France and Germany expressed deep concern about the fighting. U.N. Secretary-General Kofi Annan called for the immediate release of kidnapped Israeli soldiers and condemned Israel’s retaliation in southern Lebanon.

U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice said the Hezbollah action went against the interest of the Lebanese people, and that Syria has a “special responsibility” to resolve the crisis.

“All sides must act with restraint to resolve this incident peacefully and to protect innocent life and civilian infrastructure,” she said ahead of meetings in Paris.

The White House, which also condemned the attacks, blamed Syria and Iran for the attacks.

“We call for immediate and unconditional release of the two soldiers,” said Frederick Jones, spokesman with the White House National Security Council. “We also hold Syria and Iran, which directly support Hezbollah, responsible for this attack and for the ensuing violence.”


Hamas: Hezbollah’s actions ‘heroic’
The Palestinian group Hamas welcomed on Wednesday the operation in which the Lebanese guerrilla movement Hezbollah captured two Israeli soldiers, saying it would help a campaign to free 1,000 Palestinians.

"This is a heroic operation carried out against military targets and so it is a legitimate operation, especially as it took place in occupied Lebanese territory," Hamas political bureau member Mohammad Nazzal told Reuters.


"Any military operation that targets the occupation serves the Palestinian people and Arab causes," he said in an interview in Cairo, where he came to reassure the Egyptian government that Hamas wants Egyptian mediation with Israel to resume on a deal including freedom for an Israeli soldier held in Gaza. "We think this operation will serve ... the issue of the prisoners," he added.

A Hamas leader said they had no prior knowledge of the Hezbollah operation and it was “natural” for the groups to work together against Israel.

He added it was too early to decide whether the two separate organisations would coordinate their demands that Israel release Palestinian and Arab prisoners, he said.

Israel, however, appeared determined to win freedom for its troops with a show of force.


Turning back the clock
Army Chief of Staff Lt. Gen. Dan Halutz warned the Lebanese government that the Israeli military will target infrastructure and “turn back the clock in Lebanon by 20 years,” if the soldiers were not returned, Israeli TV reported.

Israeli troops crossed into a southwestern sector of Lebanon, across the border from where the soldiers were seized, trying to keep their captors from moving them deeper into Lebanon, Israeli security officials said.

Israeli warplanes and gunboats blasted bridges and Hezbollah positions in south Lebanon, killing two civilians, the Lebanese security officials said.

The Israeli jets made their deepest foray in an afternoon strike on a road in the Zahrani region along the Mediterranean coast — about halfway between the border and the capital of Beirut. Anti-aircraft guns opened fire on jets flying over the coastal city of Sidon.

The Arab League planned an urgent meeting on the crisis Thursday amid “fears of widening of tension and possible Israeli strike against Syria,” which backs Hezbollah, a senior league official in Cairo said, speaking on condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the issue.

Syrian Vice President Farouk al-Sharaa blamed Israel for the escalating violence in Lebanon and the Palestinian territories and denied his country had a role in either abduction.

“It’s up to the resistance — both the Lebanese and the Palestinian — to decide what they are doing and why are they fighting,” he told reporters in Damascus.

U.S. Assistant Secretary of State David Welch, visiting Cairo, said the capture of the two Israeli soldiers was “a very dangerous escalation” that “puts at risk all the effort that’s being put forth by many to find a solution to the current situation.”

Jubilation in south Beirut
Jubilant residents of south Beirut, a stronghold of Hezbollah, and Palestinians in the Ein el-Hilwa refugee camp fired guns in the air and set off firecrackers in celebration after the capture of the Israeli soldiers was announced.

Hezbollah also called for major "celebration rallies" to be held in Lebanon on Thursday and had started to organize them, NBC News' Richard Engel reported. In the past, similar celebrations have attracted tens of thousands, or even several hundred thousand people.

Hezbollah sources also said the “Palestinians are very happy,” clearly showing Hezbollah’s solidarity with Hamas.

Hezbollah supporters were seen setting off fire crackers and distributing sweets in the streets of Beirut. Similar scenes were reported across Lebanon.

The top U.N. official in Lebanon, Geir Pedersen, met with Lebanon’s prime minister and denounced Hezbollah’s incursion across the border into northern Israel, known as the Blue Line.

“Hezbollah’s action escalates the already tense situation along the Blue Line and is an act of very dangerous proportions,” he said in a statement.


Prisoner swap sought?
Elsewhere, Israeli troops killed a Hezbollah guerrilla as he tried to infiltrate a military base in northern Israel. The army said Hezbollah also fired rockets toward the Israeli border. There were no reports of injuries.

Hezbollah’s military arm said its fighters captured two Israeli soldiers “on the border with occupied Palestine, fulfilling the promise to liberate its prisoners” held by Israel.

Hamas-linked militants have demanded the release of at least some of the estimated 9,000 prisoners held by Israel in exchange for Shalit’s freedom. Israel has carried out several prisoner swaps with Hezbollah in the past to free captured Israelis.

Israel occupied a small strip of southern Lebanon for 18 years before withdrawing in 2000 amid public complaints in Israel. Hezbollah fighters have controlled the Lebanese side of the border with Israel since then. Israel and Hezbollah have been clashing for two decades and still fight over a small sliver of border territory — Chebaa Farms.

Lebanon is under U.N. and U.S. pressure to disarm the Shiite guerrilla group and move its own military into the south, but the government has refused to do so, calling Hezbollah a legitimate resistance group.

The Associated Press and Reuters contributed to this report.
URL: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/13823680/

tjenz
QUOTE
Israeli Troops Enter Lebanon

but they said they were just going to put the tip in
Uncle Remus
QUOTE(Tom @ Jul 12 2006, 06:27 PM) [snapback]131528[/snapback]

QUOTE
Israeli Troops Enter Lebanon

but they said they were just going to put the tip in


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I'd laugh my ass off if Israel just gonzo'd up and took over Palestine or blew it up. 21st Century Jews ain't taking no more shit.
Mr. Sinistro
Know what's strange? This is like 10x the amount of military activity, ACTUAL military activity than we've seen in the past years, and we barely hear or see anything by Bush about it, OR the mainstream media for that matter.

In contrast to when Arafat died, or when they simply surrounded his compound, or when they pulled out of Gaza, or other things similiar to that, does anyone else notice that it's getting little coverage or commentary by the President?

Bush is basically saying Hezbolla is wrong for what they did, and from what I've heard, he has said NOTHING suggesting that Israel should calm down, or that they should back up to solve things diplomatically.

It's not that I expect him to say anything otherwise - just quite surprised that this seems so pushed under the rug.
kingsleadhat
QUOTE(Bhickman @ Jul 12 2006, 08:38 PM) [snapback]131612[/snapback]
I'd laugh my ass off if Israel just gonzo'd up and took over Palestine or blew it up. 21st Century Jews ain't taking no more shit.
I wouldn't. As an Israeli, I'm ashamed of the shit they're doing now. Olmert is out of control
nosmokeinthelungs
QUOTE(Bhickman @ Jul 12 2006, 06:38 PM) [snapback]131612[/snapback]

QUOTE(Tom @ Jul 12 2006, 06:27 PM) [snapback]131528[/snapback]

QUOTE
Israeli Troops Enter Lebanon

but they said they were just going to put the tip in


laugh.gif



I'd laugh my ass off if Israel just gonzo'd up and took over Palestine or blew it up. 21st Century Jews ain't taking no more shit.



As a jew, you should be ashamed of this statment as well, Bhickmanstein.
Uncle Remus
I'm not jewish.
biggie mcsmalls
I really hate all the mother fuckers in this region.
without_opinion
seriously hickman, whats with your desire to blow up palestine? you know people live there who aren't Hamas militia, right?
DrJimmy
Montana told me that Israel did this to keep Syd Barrett off the front page.
Mancow
http://www.soundopinions.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=4637. He needs help.
Beetlebum
sunni and shite groups coming together, heart warming. really though israel has every right to go in and defend themselves.
crease
If this is true and they succeed in transferring the captured troops to Iran, this is TERRIBLE. It'll transform this into a full-blown regional conflict, dramatically widening the confrontation.

From CNN...

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BREAKING: Israel’s foreign ministry says it has information that Lebanese guerrillas are trying to transfer the captured Israeli soldiers to Iran, The Associated Press reports. CNN is working to confirm.
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