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Uncle Remus
QUOTE(cantstopwontstop @ Aug 30 2006, 09:54 AM) [snapback]180642[/snapback]

The death of you know who hit me much harder than i expected



I went on The Wire's page on HBO.com and months before they were re-running Season 3 they had the recap for the episode after that character died and I was just floored. That character was one of the best in an insanely great cast. I'd have preferred to have seen the other man get it, but he appears to be gone, too.

QUOTE(Slackmo @ Aug 30 2006, 09:49 AM) [snapback]180630[/snapback]

QUOTE(Bhickman @ Aug 30 2006, 09:35 AM) [snapback]180598[/snapback]

I just got sent a month long jump on Season 4 of The Wire.


When's the viewing party?



hahaha...I just checked to see if they played and they do, but the sound is atrocious and there's this series of numbers in the right-hand corner of the screen the whole time. Oh well. At least I got the jump on it.

if you want to come out, let me know.
Slackmo
QUOTE(Bhickman @ Aug 30 2006, 09:56 AM) [snapback]180647[/snapback]

QUOTE(cantstopwontstop @ Aug 30 2006, 09:54 AM) [snapback]180642[/snapback]

The death of you know who hit me much harder than i expected



I went on The Wire's page on HBO.com and months before they were re-running Season 3 they had the recap for the episode after that character died and I was just floored. That character was one of the best in an insanely great cast. I'd have preferred to have seen the other man get it, but he appears to be gone, too.


How the f does this not fall under Season 4 Spoiler? C'mon, dude.
biggie mcsmalls
I thought the creators explanation of his death was awesome.

DrJimmy
is this a thread for closeted guys?


i was just curious...i mean, i'm not curious...i mean, never mind.
boobs
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Read this if you haven't yet.
Uncle Remus
QUOTE(Slackmo @ Aug 30 2006, 09:58 AM) [snapback]180649[/snapback]

QUOTE(Bhickman @ Aug 30 2006, 09:56 AM) [snapback]180647[/snapback]

QUOTE(cantstopwontstop @ Aug 30 2006, 09:54 AM) [snapback]180642[/snapback]

The death of you know who hit me much harder than i expected



I went on The Wire's page on HBO.com and months before they were re-running Season 3 they had the recap for the episode after that character died and I was just floored. That character was one of the best in an insanely great cast. I'd have preferred to have seen the other man get it, but he appears to be gone, too.


How the f does this not fall under Season 4 Spoiler? C'mon, dude.



it's not a spoiler...it's in the final episode of season 3 and he's gone doesn't mean that he's dead.

QUOTE(cantstopwontstop @ Aug 30 2006, 10:00 AM) [snapback]180658[/snapback]

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Read this if you haven't yet.


great book. it's what started it all.

and then, from "Homicide" to "Oz" to "The Wire" David Simon has made TV better.
biggie mcsmalls
QUOTE(Bhickman @ Aug 30 2006, 10:02 AM) [snapback]180659[/snapback]





it's not a spoiler...it's in the final episode of season 3 and he's gone doesn't mean that he's dead.




You talking about Omar? The preview show they ran last weekend had a significant amount of Omar footage and interviews in it. Doesn't look like he is gone from the show, despite being sent away.
Slackmo
QUOTE(Bhickman @ Aug 30 2006, 10:02 AM) [snapback]180659[/snapback]


it's not a spoiler...it's in the final episode of season 3 and he's gone doesn't mean that he's dead.



Coolness. Thanks for the clarification.

QUOTE(Biggie McSmalls @ Aug 30 2006, 10:03 AM) [snapback]180664[/snapback]

QUOTE(Bhickman @ Aug 30 2006, 10:02 AM) [snapback]180659[/snapback]





it's not a spoiler...it's in the final episode of season 3 and he's gone doesn't mean that he's dead.




You talking about Omar? The preview show they ran last weekend had a significant amount of Omar footage and interviews in it. Doesn't look like he is gone.


I don't think Brett was hoping Omar was gone.
Uncle Remus
I'm talking about Avon.

and I'm also confusing Tom Fontana and David Simon...their paths intertwine, but it seems like Simon had nothing to do with "Oz"

and yeah, the show without Omar would be a sad thing. I'd almost rather lose McNulty.
biggie mcsmalls
Oh yeah, Avon.
Uncle Remus
For fans of Idris Elba, who plays Stringer Bell, will be in an upcoming Hilary Swank action/horror film called "The Reaping."
Slackmo
The Sports Guy finally caught on and wrote about it in today's column. Pretty good stuff:

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Readers kept telling me to watch this show. They implored me. They kept e-mailing me. They badgered me. I didn't listen. As I've described multiple times in this space, I hate being told that I should watch a show; I like discovering them at my own speed. And if it made me three or four years late for the party with classics like "The Sopranos" and "24," so be it. It's just that I can't willingly jump onto a show; it needs to happen organically.

For instance, here's what happened with "The Wire:" On a Tuesday night in mid-August, the Sports Gal and I were home with nothing to watch and ending up stumbling onto "The Wire Re-Up" button on HBO On Demand. I'd been avoiding this show for four years because the Baltimore drug scene didn't appeal to me unless Raffie Palmeiro and Miggy Tejada were involved. But the Sports Gal was the one who said, "Let's watch the first show of 'The Wire' and see if we like it."

Within 10 minutes, we were hooked. We ended up banging out three episodes the first night and another three the second night. Then our cable system switched to a new provider ... and all the Season 1 episodes disappeared into thin air. Now we were scrambling. None of the video stores around us had Season 1 in stock. I ended up ordering Season 1 online (two-day delivery courtesy of Amazon Prime), but we were so hooked on the show that when someone returned Season 1 to our video store, we rented the last three discs that same night. We banged out the last seven episodes in two nights before the DVD was even delivered. That's how hooked we were.

I'll go this far: I'd put Season 1 of "The Wire" against anything. The first three seasons of "The Sopranos." Seasons 1 or 2 of "24." The first seasons of "NYPD Blue," "ER" or "Miami Vice." You name it. I have never seen a show like it. Season 2 wasn't as good (if Season 1 was an A-plus-plus-plus, then Season 2 was a B-plus), and we're just about to dive into Season 3, so I don't have an opinion on that yet. Everyone seems to agree that they outdid themselves with Season 4 and that it's a legitimate masterpiece. Just know that you can absolutely start watching Season 4 without having seen the other three seasons. It's not an ideal way to break into the show, but you can do it.

Without giving too much away, four more things you need to know:

A. Before I started watching "The Wire," my four favorite TV/movie detectives of all-time were Sonny Crockett ("Miami Vice"); Jack Cates ("48 Hrs."); Johnny Kelly ("NYPD Blue"); and Nick Curran (Michael Douglas' character in "Basic Instinct"), who couldn't break away from Sharon Stone even though he knew that every time she climbed on top during sex, there was a 50 percent chance she might ram an ice pick into his chest. But Jimmy McNulty in "The Wire" (played by Dominic West) ... he might end up beating them all before everything's said and done. He might have even moved to No. 1 during the scene in Season 2 when they raid a brothel and he ends up in a threesome before the rest of the cops arrive. Not even Sonny Crockett would have done that.

B. I love any show with a slew of mostly no-name actors that bang their roles out of the park, although it was weird to see one of the leads from "Remember the Titans" playing drug lord Avon Barksdale. With that said, Alonzo Mourning gives an inspired performance as Stringer Bell (Avon's manipulative consigliere). Maybe the best athlete/Hollywood crossover since Kareem in "Airplane."

(Wait, that's not Alonzo Mourning? Are we positive?)

C. In an attempt to be gritty, they didn't cast any of those Angie Harmon/Jill Hennessey types who always seem unrealistically cute for a drug/crime show set in a place like Baltimore. And since the actresses on the show are average-looking down the line, guess what happens? It's like the Lambeau parking lot, any press box or any NESCAC keg party ... the females who do appear on this show end up seeming disproportionately hot by about the fifth episode. Absolutely bizarre. I love when this happens.

D. Omar might be my favorite HBO villain since Adebici. And that's saying something.

Anyway, I can't believe I didn't watch this show sooner. It enrages me. I'm not doing the "YOU NEED TO WATCH THIS SHOW OR YOUR WHOLE LIFE WILL BE INCOMPLETE!" routine, because that might scare you away. Just know that it's one of the five greatest shows I've ever seen. And I hope you stumble across it some day.

Organically, of course.
boobs
To me, Season 2 is barely a notch below Season 1

1 - A+++
2 - A+
3 - A-
Damo Suzuki
i would agree with that article's assessment of the wire's second season. season one was so great i don't see how one could rank s2 "just below" the first. season two was half over before daniels even got the detail put together and the 14 dead girls quickly became an after thought. season two felt too unfocused and sloppy.

season three is excellent though. i would say that season was a notch below the first.

who ever said omar was the best written character on tv, otm.


edite: just saw the season four trailer. "ball of confusion", class.
boobs
Season 2 is definitely above Season 1 for me, if anything season 3 was definitely the least focused, and the whole hamsterdam thing was a little beyond believability and the buildup to the gang battle that never happens was the ultimate build w/ artificial release. The intense scenes between the Sobatkas in the last episodes of season 2 are absolutely crushing in a way season 3 never quite makes it.
Uncle Remus
Season 2 was discouraging for me at first (and I HATED that Sobatka son with a passion), but halfway through it really developed some ridiculous steam.

Season 3 is awesome though. and Season 4? Fucking hell is it awesome already. I mean, jesus. I've got five weeks now to wait for the fifth show. I watched the first four episodes in 2 episode blocks. You guys are gonna love the 1st episode of season 4. Especially the first scene.

And the show is proving more and more that McNulty is not in any way important to have around. In fact, the show's better the less he's in it, surprisingly. I like not having the white guy be the big hero so far (that's not a spoiler in any way, folks).
Slackmo
QUOTE(Bhickman @ Sep 1 2006, 11:01 PM) [snapback]184677[/snapback]

Season 2 was discouraging for me at first (and I HATED that Sobatka son with a passion), but halfway through it really developed some ridiculous steam.

Season 3 is awesome though. and Season 4? Fucking hell is it awesome already. I mean, jesus. I've got five weeks now to wait for the fifth show. I watched the first four episodes in 2 episode blocks. You guys are gonna love the 1st episode of season 4. Especially the first scene.

And the show is proving more and more that McNulty is not in any way important to have around. In fact, the show's better the less he's in it, surprisingly. I like not having the white guy be the big hero so far (that's not a spoiler in any way, folks).


Yeah, but McNulty's enjoyable in the wry anti-hero kinda way. He's never been a paragon of virtue.

(and we were supposed to hate Sobotka junior, weren't we? Although, when i saw him in Inside Man I still wanted to strangle him.)
Uncle Remus
QUOTE(Slackmo @ Sep 2 2006, 07:18 AM) [snapback]184760[/snapback]

Yeah, but McNulty's enjoyable in the wry anti-hero kinda way. He's never been a paragon of virtue.


Well sure, but...well you just have to watch the new season. It's like he's not even there anyways.

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(and we were supposed to hate Sobotka junior, weren't we? Although, when i saw him in Inside Man I still wanted to strangle him.)


I agree with you about Sobotka junior, but like Philip Seymour Hoffman in "Scent of a Woman" it makes me the portrayal is so perfect of a vile, unlikeable and annoying character that it makes me hate the actor. It took me forever to not hate Hoffman after that Al Pacino flick.
voodoodaddy
QUOTE(cantstopwontstop @ Sep 1 2006, 06:19 PM) [snapback]184603[/snapback]

Season 2 is definitely above Season 1 for me, if anything season 3 was definitely the least focused, and the whole hamsterdam thing was a little beyond believability and the buildup to the gang battle that never happens was the ultimate build w/ artificial release. The intense scenes between the Sobatkas in the last episodes of season 2 are absolutely crushing in a way season 3 never quite makes it.


That about sums it up for me, although I'd probably have S.1 slightly ahead of S.2. There was though a real emotional intensity with the whole Sobotka story that they haven't quite matched in other seasons. That scene with Ziggy in the car after he'd shot that guy was just amazing. You could see his whole life grinding to a halt right there.
Damo Suzuki
toward the end s2 was great. but you had to sit through ~6 weeks worth of bullshit before anything really started to boil. compare that to the intensity and desperation of s1 & s2. pfft, s2 had a duck drinking red stripe for three weeks. c'mon! the whole prop joe/cheese connection to the sobotka case felt a little tacked on (kudos for segueing that back to the superior barksdale investigation) as well. the second season's closing never sat right with me either.

i was becoming increasingly frustrated over the course of season two's original airing on television. i should go back and watch s2 on dvd. perhaps watching a few eps. back-to-back will give the plot a bit more focus.

as it stands i would rank them so: S1 A+, S2 B, S3 A

edite: "++" is feel good nonsense. whatever happened to just an b+ or c+? what is one more plus sign going to do for your life?
velocity
Help! I've been watching S2 on demand for the past week. Just finished watching the penultimate episode, got into bed and looked for the last episode--and S2 is completely gone. Somebody please tell me what happened in the last episode. Thanks!
velocity
Nothing?! C'mon...what happened to Zig? Did the Greek off Sobotka? Did Nick turn state's evidence? What happened to the guy that slapped his father-in-law? I don't recall any discussion of these events at the start of S3. HELLLPPPPP!
boobs
No one is giving away a spoiler for the last episode of a season!

I didn't intend to say that Season 2 was above season 1, rather on par with it. I like Season 1 slightly more as I said earlier.
Ted Falconi
QUOTE(velocity @ Sep 5 2006, 02:25 AM) [snapback]186109[/snapback]

Help! I've been watching S2 on demand for the past week. Just finished watching the penultimate episode, got into bed and looked for the last episode--and S2 is completely gone. Somebody please tell me what happened in the last episode. Thanks!

http://www.hbo.com/thewire/episode/season2/episode25.shtml
KENAN THOMPSON
I watched the season four premiere on OnDemand yesterday, twice, once alone and once with my friends right before I went to bed.

GREAT episode, got the ball rolling on so many new plots. I can't wait to see what the new crops of 'heads get into this season, and I already hate Carcetti, so watching him fail is going to be fun.
velocity
QUOTE(Ted Falconi @ Sep 5 2006, 12:00 PM) [snapback]186468[/snapback]

QUOTE(velocity @ Sep 5 2006, 02:25 AM) [snapback]186109[/snapback]

Help! I've been watching S2 on demand for the past week. Just finished watching the penultimate episode, got into bed and looked for the last episode--and S2 is completely gone. Somebody please tell me what happened in the last episode. Thanks!

http://www.hbo.com/thewire/episode/season2/episode25.shtml

Duh, thanks! (Thanks too, Slackmo!)
Damo Suzuki
yeah, i wasn't trying to put words in your mouth, drake. s2 was rather good and certainly better than most things i've seen on the television.

i just re-watched the last few eps. of s3. goddamn, if watching omar and brother mouzone meet in that alley didn't make me smile with delight. i'm so excited about season four. i hate you, on demand.
biggie mcsmalls
Ok, so that was a pretty good kick off last night. Love the kids, etc, but I do have one problem...


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and I already hate Carcetti


I despise this character. This guy's screen time makes me cringe, and I honestly don't know if I can take him being such a prominent part of the storyline without it affecting my enjoyment of the show.
KENAN THOMPSON
i'm watching the second episode of the season right now

ondemand is so wonderful
biggie mcsmalls
We thought about watching it last night, too, but only episode one was available to us last night.
boobs
I liked carcetti in season 3. I mean, don't like the character on a personal level but as a role, i think he's well developed.
Hips
watched episode 1 last night. is that kid with the nail gun a chick?

carcetti is almost likeable in a weird way so far this season..although it's only the first show...im sure he will sprout back into douchebagginess soon enough.

biggie mcsmalls
QUOTE(SkinnyHips @ Sep 11 2006, 11:49 AM) [snapback]190714[/snapback]

watched episode 1 last night. is that kid with the nail gun a chick?



Yeah. Felicia/Snoop.


QUOTE(cantstopwontstop @ Sep 11 2006, 11:44 AM) [snapback]190710[/snapback]

I liked carcetti in season 3. I mean, don't like the character on a personal level but as a role, i think he's well developed.



Ok, yeah, it's a well written character that I fucking hate.

.
velocity
QUOTE(Big Pink @ Sep 11 2006, 09:38 AM) [snapback]190700[/snapback]

i'm watching the second episode of the season right now

ondemand is so wonderful

So far, my on demand has had nothing but those background specials ("the game is real" and "connections.") Fuck you, on demand!
Uncle Remus
I'm baffled by why everyone seems to hate Carcetti.
Hips
QUOTE(Bhickman @ Sep 13 2006, 07:15 AM) [snapback]192451[/snapback]

I'm baffled by why everyone seems to hate Carcetti.

i can see how people could have hated him last season. he seemed pretty rotten and conniving. so far this year they've shown him in a much different light..imo.
Uncle Remus
He's conniving, but c'mon. They're portraying him as being far more upfront than people generally consider most politicians. His interest in helping the city is more evident than by the character of Mayor Royce.
biggie mcsmalls
Cool to see Cutty and Bubbs making appearances.

Seems to be picking up steam a little more slowly than previous seasons, but it makes sense, as there are more storylines/characters to introduce.

Slackmo
I just read that HBO has succumbed to critical pressure and is going to produce a 5th season.

(I didn't check the thread to see if someone hit this off already since I don't want to read season 4 spoilers, so I apologize if this is a redundant post.)
NumberTenOx
QUOTE(Slackmo @ Sep 20 2006, 12:37 PM) [snapback]199034[/snapback]

I just read that HBO has succumbed to critical pressure and is going to produce a 5th season.

(I didn't check the thread to see if someone hit this off already since I don't want to read season 4 spoilers, so I apologize if this is a redundant post.)

"Succumbed"? What? I seem to recall they were gonna axe this show after its first year. What's going on? It's not making enough money? How? There are no commercial revenues driving the broadcast, and the DVDs seem to be doing OK.
derry_dukes
QUOTE(Slackmo @ Sep 20 2006, 12:37 PM) [snapback]199034[/snapback]

I just read that HBO has succumbed to critical pressure and is going to produce a 5th season.

(I didn't check the thread to see if someone hit this off already since I don't want to read season 4 spoilers, so I apologize if this is a redundant post.)


From the news story I read, it seems the 5th season will concentrate itself on the media.
biggie mcsmalls
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09.13.2006 | HBO Renews The Wire, Acclaimed Drama Series From David Simon, For Its Fifth Season
LOS ANGELES, Sept. 13, 2006 - The critically acclaimed, Peabody Award-winning HBO drama series THE WIRE has been renewed for a fifth season, it was announced today by Carolyn Strauss, president, HBO Entertainment. Created and executive produced by David Simon, the show just kicked off its 13-episode fourth season last Sunday, Sept. 10, and debuts new episodes Sunday nights (10:00-11:00 p.m. ET/PT).

"We are delighted - though not surprised - at the initial critical response to the new season of THE WIRE," said Strauss. "David Simon and his remarkable team have created a riveting and thought-provoking series that's unlike anything else on TV."

Having depicted an American city over the course of 50 episodes, THE WIRE will use its fifth and concluding season to examine the role of the mass media within that city.

The new fourth season has already prompted resounding critical praise. The New York Times said the show "is the closest that moving pictures have come so far to the depth and nuance of the novel." Daily Variety observed, "When television history is written, little else will rival THE WIRE," hailing the show for its "extraordinary depth and ambition." Entertainment Weekly called the series "a staggering achievement," while the Washington Post described it as "electrifying and disturbing...a gripping saga," and the New York Post termed it "the single finest piece of work ever produced for American TV."

Season four of THE WIRE centers on the lives of four young boys as they traverse adolescence in the drug-saturated streets of West Baltimore. The new episodes of the series examine their world through the theme of education, asking viewers to consider the world that awaits these boys, and to consider further the American commitment to equal opportunity.

The third season of THE WIRE ended its run in December 2004. The first season looked at the dysfunction inherent in the national drug war through the microcosm of a West Baltimore housing project, while the second season addressed the decline of the working class by focusing on a longshoremen's union and its struggle to survive. In its third season, the drama further developed its portrait of a fictional Baltimore by exploring the role of the political leadership in addressing a city's problems or reforming its institutions.

Says Simon, a former newspaperman and the author of two books of narrative nonfiction, "The last question we want to ask is this: For four seasons, we have depicted that part of urban America that has been left behind by the economy and by the greater society, and chronicled entrenched problems that have gone without solution for generations now. Why? What is it that we see and sense about these problems? To what are we giving attention, and what is it that we consistently ignore? How do we actually see ourselves?"

THE WIRE was created by David Simon. Fourth season credits: executive producers, David Simon and Nina Kostroff Noble; co-executive producer, Joe Chappelle; producers
velocity
Still haven't seen season 1. Will prolly rent it between the end of s4 and the beginning of the Sopranos...or something.
velocity
What was in those bags that Reynaldo threw out the window at Omar? Looked like Cheesy Poofs.
biggie mcsmalls
I should probably watch this episode again. I was wasted the first time, and am having trouble figuring out what you are talking about.
boobs
REYNOLDA DROPS A BAG!??!

shhh stop giving away spoilerz
Damo Suzuki
am i the only one who thinks carcetti is the most "noble" of all the wire's characters this year? he may be a bit self-serving (who isn't- watkins, tony?) and narcissistic but carcetti seems to be the only dude who actually gives a shit. frank sobotka tried to do the right thing despite getting in the business with the greek. of course, he's no longer on the show. i love how the writers turned his character around from the last season (carcetti ignoring his kids in S3 vis-a-vis playing battleship with his daughter). carcetti has gotten all the best lines this season as well. so far i am really enjoying the politico angle this year. the school stuff, not so much.

oh and the kid who plays bodie is a pretty good actor. oh man, that scene in S1 when poot and bodie go back to wallace's house...fantastic show.

p.s. watching omar walk down the block in his silk bathrobe was the greatest thing i ever watched on the television.
The Good Dr Bill
can I start watching this season without having seen the first three
boobs
no
The Good Dr Bill
fuck

oh well, I guess I could use a new TV project.
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