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Etiam
Edguy are fun, yes. I like them more as a power metal band than I do a hard rock band (which they have essentially become) but they can still write amazing songs effortlessly, e.g. Judas at the Opera.


About them females. Yes it can be beautiful melody, but it's often so overstated that there's really nothing else to the music. It's so monophonic that my incentive to listen is based solely on what that one lady is doing, and it's generally nothing that 7 others haven't done before.
If I want that sort of ethereal beauty, I'll squeeze it out of a Devin Townsend album, or the peak of an Arcturus epic. And if I want female vocals, then I'd like the back up band to be a bit more...present? Seriously, how many of those guys who play for those ladies do anything all that great? None that come to my mind.
Saskadelphia
QUOTE(Etiam @ Feb 16 2006, 01:46 PM) [snapback]21503[/snapback]

About them females. Yes it can be beautiful melody, but it's often so overstated that there's really nothing else to the music. It's so monophonic that my incentive to listen is based solely on what that one lady is doing, and it's generally nothing that 7 others haven't done before.

See, that's why I like The Gathering so much. Anneke's vocals are more subtle, and especially on the band's last four albums, there's more of an equal balance between all band members. I'll try to get Mandylion uploaded later this afternoon/early evening.
Saskadelphia
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The Gathering - Mandylion
hxxps://s22.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=1MFSU3368V80E061ZG707FGAHS

My recent review of the deluxe edition is here.
beansimpson
QUOTE(Saskadelphia @ Feb 16 2006, 07:01 PM) [snapback]21957[/snapback]

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The Gathering - Mandylion
hxxps://s22.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=1MFSU3368V80E061ZG707FGAHS

My recent review of the deluxe edition is here.

Bless you and your Country.
Burz
Some cool Melvins news (because they're the best band ever)
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Melvins Expand Lineup, Ready Live Album

Like Spinal Tap's bad luck with drummers, the Melvins have similar problems holding on to bassists. Their latest four-string casualty was Kevin Rutmanis, but the group -- led by longtime members Buzz Osborne (vocals, guitar) and Dale Crover (drums) -- has beefed up its line-up considerably. Now expanded to a quartet, the Melvins have been joined by Hydra Head recording artists Big Business.

“Now we're going to be four piece,” Crover tells Billboard.com. “Two drums -- just like the Allman Brothers and the Grateful Dead!” "We've known [the Big Business] guys for a long time. It's not like they're going to quit Big Business or anything like that. When we tour, we're hoping that they'll open."

Crover sees no problem sharing the time-keeping with drummer Coady Willis. "It's great,” he says. “He's left handed, so we want to do this 'mirror image' type of thing. We've kind of fused our two drum sets together, and we're going to try and do some crazy thing with it. We're sharing these big toms in between us."

The new lineup plans to tour at some point later this year and eventually hit the studio. But the next Melvins release will be a live CD comprised of a a recent performance of the 1993 album “Houdini.”

"A bunch of those songs we'd never played live before,” Crover reports. “It's going to be on Ipecac -- it will be out in the spring. The warm-up show we did was actually better than the official show, so we did another [in Los Angeles], and that's the one that we recorded for the record."

Big Business are great. I can't wait to see this lineup live, the fused drum kit thing sounds pretty cool.

This is the cover for the live Houdini album
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emgee
QUOTE(Burzum @ Feb 16 2006, 09:57 PM) [snapback]22052[/snapback]

Some cool Melvins news (because they're the best band ever)

Big Business are great. I can't wait to see this lineup live, the fused drum kit thing sounds pretty cool.

This is the cover for the live Houdini album
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this is going to be massive sounding live.
Saskadelphia
This year's Sounds of the Underground is shaping up to be a good one again. Confirmed so far:

As I Lay Dying
In Flames
Trivium
Cannibal Corpse
GWAR
Terror
Black Dahlia Murder
Behemoth
The Chariot
Through the Eyes of the Dead

I'm just not completely sold on As I Lay Dying as headliners...
velocity
QUOTE(Demon_Cleaner @ Feb 11 2006, 07:38 PM) [snapback]17364[/snapback]

Not sure if this really belongs in the metal thread, but doesn't really deserve a thread of it's own. Seen a few reviews for Cave In's Perfect Pitch Black appear online. Until Your Heart Stops is still one of my all time favourite metal records, and Jupiter was an amazing record as well. Antenna however, while still strong thoughout, felt a bit compromised and half-hearted. They snuck out Pitch Perfect Black at the end of last year with no fan fair at all.

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I've had this for months and thought it was just a B-Side/Rarities collection, but now they're promoting it as an actual album... It sounds like a B-Side/Rarities collection though. It basically just treads around the same alt-metal ground that the band has been covering since Jupiter, with the exception of adding bassist Caleb Scofield's shredded hardcore vocals in liberal doses. While delivering a really varied album stylistically there is a lack of cohesion and a lot of the songs seem like uncompleted musical ideas that tend to meander rather than take off. Paranormal and Ataraxia being the worst examples of this habit - completely missing the exhilarating direction changes of Cave-In's earlier work. At least they're back on Hydrahead now and back touring with bands like Pelican and Converge rather than the Foo Fighters. So hopefully this album is just a stop-gap before a proper return to form.

Here's some of the album highlights (IMO)


Yikes! Finally gave these a listen and I'm loving them, thanks!! Will have to track down the rest of their catalog--I'll use your comments above as a guide. smile.gif
emgee
Don't think it's been discussed here, but Boris "Pink" has been kicking my ass.
It might still be available in the Japanese music thread.
velocity
QUOTE(beansimpson @ Feb 15 2006, 06:46 PM) [snapback]20795[/snapback]

Edguy is always a blast.

Except for that vocalist biggrin.gif . He just sounds so "LA."

QUOTE(emgee @ Feb 18 2006, 10:38 AM) [snapback]23087[/snapback]

Don't think it's been discussed here, but Boris "Pink" has been kicking my ass.
It might still be available in the Japanese music thread.

I'm digging that too.
beansimpson
QUOTE(emgee @ Feb 18 2006, 12:38 PM) [snapback]23087[/snapback]

Don't think it's been discussed here, but Boris "Pink" has been kicking my ass.
It might still be available in the Japanese music thread.

YES, freakin awesome. I put it in, and with the first track I was wondering what the fuss is about, and then the whole album just kicks into gear and you have one kick ass album.
Saskadelphia
QUOTE(velocity @ Feb 18 2006, 12:39 PM) [snapback]23091[/snapback]

Except for that vocalist biggrin.gif . He just sounds so "LA."

That's why they're so much fun!
Etiam
QUOTE(Saskadelphia @ Feb 17 2006, 01:06 AM) [snapback]22107[/snapback]

This year's Sounds of the Underground is shaping up to be a good one again. Confirmed so far:

As I Lay Dying
In Flames
Trivium
Cannibal Corpse
GWAR
Terror
Black Dahlia Murder
Behemoth
The Chariot
Through the Eyes of the Dead

I'm just not completely sold on As I Lay Dying as headliners...


They'll clean up.

And I now am absolutely certain that I will never ever go to a SOTU tour, as if last year didn't prove it enough for me.

Aren't some of these bands repeats?
Saskadelphia
QUOTE(Etiam @ Feb 18 2006, 07:08 PM) [snapback]23309[/snapback]

And I now am absolutely certain that I will never ever go to a SOTU tour, as if last year didn't prove it enough for me.

Why so jaded?

I came away from SOTU last year with nothing but positive things to say. The Canadian dates were all indoors (instead of hot, dry parking lots), the show was very efficiently run, the meet & greets were cool, the merch was cheap, and while there were probably three too many metalcore bands, there was plenty of variety to keep both the metal and hardcore crowds happy. The sets were longer than what most of the bands at Ozzfest get, the tickets were a fraction of the price, and bands like Opeth, Clutch, SYL, GWAR, Unearth, and Lamb of God made the entire twelve hour day with it.

This year's lineup looks good...Trivium, Cannibal Corpse, and Behemoth are tremendous additions. I'm hearing things about how In Flames might be the headliner, not As I Lay Dying, but I don't know how reliable that source is. This year's tour is going to feature fewer bands and longer set times...and the only returnees from last year are Terror and GWAR.
velocity
unsure.gif Did anyone (I'm looking at you, Sask) upload a mix last year entitled "2005 midyear," containing 17 tracks with "Untitled - 16-06-05" in the album name field? It's sort of like Christmas in February, but I have no clue who the bands are or track names. Any help identifying these tunes would be appreciated...I'd be happy to upload them if it'd help w/ identification. Thanks.
Saskadelphia
QUOTE(velocity @ Feb 18 2006, 08:29 PM) [snapback]23336[/snapback]

unsure.gif Did anyone (I'm looking at you, Sask) upload a mix last year entitled "2005 midyear," containing 17 tracks with "Untitled - 16-06-05" in the album name field? It's sort of like Christmas in February, but I have no clue who the bands are or track names. Any help identifying these tunes would be appreciated...I'd be happy to upload them if it'd help w/ identification. Thanks.

Yeah, I think that was me.

1. High on Fire – Cometh Down Hessian
2. Candlemass – Black Dwarf
3. Brand New Sin – Black & Blue
4. Kreator – Impossible Brutality
5. Samael – Telepath
6. Behemoth – Conquer All
7. Nile – Burning Pits of the Duat
8. Strapping Young Lad – Shitstorm
9. Darkest Hour – Sound the Surrender
10. Dark Tranquillity – Lost to Apathy
11. Mercenary – 11 Dreams
12. Soilwork – Blind Eye Halo
13. Clutch – Burning Beard
14. Torche - Mentor
15. Judas Priest – Hellrider
16. Corrosion of Conformity – In the Arms of God
17. Primordial – The Song of the Tomb
velocity
QUOTE(Saskadelphia @ Feb 18 2006, 06:35 PM) [snapback]23337[/snapback]

Yeah, I think that was me.

1. High on Fire – Cometh Down Hessian
2. Candlemass – Black Dwarf
3. Brand New Sin – Black & Blue
4. Kreator – Impossible Brutality
5. Samael – Telepath
6. Behemoth – Conquer All
7. Nile – Burning Pits of the Duat
8. Strapping Young Lad – Shitstorm
9. Darkest Hour – Sound the Surrender
10. Dark Tranquillity – Lost to Apathy
11. Mercenary – 11 Dreams
12. Soilwork – Blind Eye Halo
13. Clutch – Burning Beard
14. Torche - Mentor
15. Judas Priest – Hellrider
16. Corrosion of Conformity – In the Arms of God
17. Primordial – The Song of the Tomb


Yep, 13 & 15 are a match for sure. Thanks!
throughsilver
QUOTE(velocity @ Feb 18 2006, 06:33 PM) [snapback]23080[/snapback]

Yikes! Finally gave these a listen and I'm loving them, thanks!! Will have to track down the rest of their catalog--I'll use your comments above as a guide. smile.gif

Make sure you check out the Creative Eclipses EP, which was between the titans that were Until Your Heart Stops and the classic Jupiter. It's an odd EP, but houses possibly their greatest ever song, in 'Luminance'.
Etiam
I am jaded, it's true.

Even though I love Iron Maiden, I didn't go to Ozzfest on principle. I really don't want to support the majority of those bands, on the basis of them either propagating a genre that I find to be static and overly-money-driven, or having sold out to better sell their records while alienating their original sound and core fans.

Once the Sharon fiasco started at Ozzfest, I felt totally validated.

SOTU is something of the same thing. I am very picky about what shows I go to, probably because I'm also sensitive to the audience, meaning that a mediocre group of people can really put a damper on a show for me.
Saskadelphia
QUOTE(Etiam @ Feb 19 2006, 04:58 PM) [snapback]23632[/snapback]

SOTU is something of the same thing. I am very picky about what shows I go to, probably because I'm also sensitive to the audience, meaning that a mediocre group of people can really put a damper on a show for me.

The whole SOTU thing seems more genuine, more focused on giving kids more value for their hard-earned dollar. High on Fire refused to play Ozzfest last year and joined SOTU, which was great to see. I'll bet In Flames will have a lot more good things to say about SOTU than Ozzfest this summer. They'll be playing a hell of a lot longer than 20 minutes, that's for sure!

Granted, if I had access to a lot more concerts, I'd probably be very picky as well. But where I am, I take what I can get.
Diesel
QUOTE(Etiam @ Feb 19 2006, 04:58 PM) [snapback]23632[/snapback]

I am jaded, it's true.

Even though I love Iron Maiden, I didn't go to Ozzfest on principle. I really don't want to support the majority of those bands, on the basis of them either propagating a genre that I find to be static and overly-money-driven, or having sold out to better sell their records while alienating their original sound and core fans.

Once the Sharon fiasco started at Ozzfest, I felt totally validated.

SOTU is something of the same thing. I am very picky about what shows I go to, probably because I'm also sensitive to the audience, meaning that a mediocre group of people can really put a damper on a show for me.


I only went to Ozzfest to see Maiden. There were a few other artists there of note worth sticking around for, but, yeah, it would take a lot for me to go again. I don't necessarily have the same political objections (though, really, nu-metal is totally dead...Ozzfest should be presenting a better all-around picture of the metal scene than just focusing on one narrow and increasingly irrelevant commercial subset) as much as I realized that I'm an anomaly as a metal fan. That is to say I'm not a drunken, overly macho rude idiot looking to pick fights. The social aspects of the metal audience are really a turnoff to me...I'm into the MUSIC, not the social/posturing aspects of it, and Ozzfest brings out the posturing in DROVES.

That said, I'll skip SOTU this year for much the same reason as last if its in the same place: the PARKING LOT of the Tweeter Center. I can't think of a more oppressive venue. Maybe if they had it in the Eagles Ballroom complex in Milwaukee like Gigantour was last year, I'd consider making the drive.
Saskadelphia
Revisiting an 80s classic...

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From 87-89, this band could do no wrong, and this is the best of their first three albums, in my opinion. Extremely taut (39 minutes), with that crisp Perialas production that was so easy to identify, Skolnick shredding away like a madman. Lots of people prefer their faster early stuff, but damn, if "Trial By Fire" isn't one of the very best songs to ever come out of the American thrash era. And the cover of Aerosmith's "Nobody's Fault" is inspired.

What a year 1988 was, by metal standards. Not so much groundbreaking, than a bunch of bands hitting their strides all at once. Not unlike 2004/05...
Burz
QUOTE(Saskadelphia @ Feb 19 2006, 10:51 PM) [snapback]23703[/snapback]

Revisiting an 80s classic...

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From 87-89, this band could do no wrong, and this is the best of their first three albums, in my opinion. Extremely taut (39 minutes), with that crisp Perialas production that was so easy to identify, Skolnick shredding away like a madman. Lots of people prefer their faster early stuff, but damn, if "Trial By Fire" isn't one of the very best songs to ever come out of the American thrash era. And the cover of Aerosmith's "Nobody's Fault" is inspired.

What a year 1988 was, by metal standards. Not so much groundbreaking, than a bunch of bands hitting their strides all at once. Not unlike 2004/05...

Woah, I just downloaded the first 3 Testament albums the other day (to replace my long lost cassette copies). I actually was kind of dissapointed that they weren't as good as I remembered them being in high school. Not to say they're no good, just not as quite as great as Anthrax, Metallica, Slayer, Megadeth, etc. The New Order was definitely the best of the bunch though. My first metal show was actually Testament with Nuclear Assault and Savatage opening in '89. I barely remember it though as it was also the first night I ever smoked weed.
ParticleHustler
I always felt like Testament was kinda like those can't-miss baseball players who have a decent career, but never blow up - maybe a bit like Andruw Jones. I actually thought Low and their late 90s stuff was better than any of their 80s stuff, even with the death/growly vocal I don't really like. I still listen to Low quite a bit.
Saskadelphia
QUOTE(Burzum @ Feb 19 2006, 10:07 PM) [snapback]23708[/snapback]

Woah, I just downloaded the first 3 Testament albums the other day (to replace my long lost cassette copies). I actually was kind of dissapointed that they weren't as good as I remembered them being in high school. Not to say they're no good, just not as quite as great as Anthrax, Metallica, Slayer, Megadeth, etc.

Yeah, I just have the cassettes, too.

I agree that Testament were just a rung below the Big Four, and they never fully realised their potential...Souls of Black was a disaster. Much too rushed, and they pretty much lost me after that. I'd like to hear The Gathering, though...that's supposed to be a fine comeback.

On a completely different note, the new Godsmack single isn't bad, in a guilty pleasure kind of way. It's like Sevendust, just more of the same nu stuff, but for the most part, completely harmless. I've heard worse.
ParticleHustler
QUOTE(Saskadelphia @ Feb 19 2006, 11:32 PM) [snapback]23719[/snapback]

Yeah, I just have the cassettes, too.

I agree that Testament were just a rung below the Big Four, and they never fully realised their potential...Souls of Black was a disaster. Much too rushed, and they pretty much lost me after that. I'd like to hear The Gathering, though...that's supposed to be a fine comeback.


What haven't you heard from Testament? Low, Demonic, Live at Fillmore? I'll YSI The Gathering and try to get it posted tonight.
Saskadelphia
QUOTE(ParticleHustler @ Feb 19 2006, 10:40 PM) [snapback]23725[/snapback]

What haven't you heard from Testament? Low, Demonic, Live at Fillmore? I'll YSI The Gathering and try to get it posted tonight.

I didn't like their mid-90s stuff at all, but it's been a while since I've heard it, and my tastes have changed since. Thanks for upping The Gathering! Look forward to it.

The new Scar Symmetry album just leaked a few minutes ago. smile.gif
ParticleHustler
Fucking YSI crapped out on me. I'll try to post it in the morning.
ParticleHustler
Damn YSI. I swear, the past month or so, my upload-to-error ratio has been about 1:4. Anyway, here's Testament's The Gathering:

hxxp://s48.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=3JTWZTXSUTQVR1SFQQ9R35BU48
Saskadelphia
Thanks, PH.

I listened to Queensryche's highly anticipated Operation: Mindcrime II late last night. Highly anticipated, because, most people (including myself) have been expecting a trainwreck of epic proportions, but much to my surprise, the album is very good. Their heaviest in a good decade, Tate's best singing in a very long time...the album's more aggressive and punchy than I thought it would be.

Beware, though...it might be a better idea to wait until the album's officially in stores on April 4, because Tate's vocals are buried in the mix at times, and there are a handful of moments where it's hard to figure out what he's singing. From what I can gather, the plot is decidedly introspective, as Nikki returns to society after 18 years in prison, and sets out to find Dr. X, played by Ronnie James Dio in a brilliant cameo on "The Chase", one of the best songs. There's a plot twist...at least I think there is, but that's the most that I'll say. And the ending is decidedly enigmatic.

One thing the album lacks that the first Mindcrime had are the really catchy hooks. The songs are good, but there are no songs that can stand alone as singles (as "I Don't Believe in Love" and "Eyes of a Stranger" did), and nothing comes close to either "Suite: Sister Mary" or "The Mission", which I regard as the band's best song of all time (the absence of key songwriter Chris DeGarmo is very noticeable). That said, it's a fine comeback that is able to stand alongside the original. Disaster averted.
throughsilver
The first O:MC is something of a great unifier in metal. When I first heard 'Eyes Of A Stranger' it was my all-time favourite song. Like, 'listen on a loop' sorta thing.

It's still likely a top 5 of the 80s for me.
Saskadelphia
QUOTE(throughsilver @ Feb 20 2006, 02:22 PM) [snapback]24142[/snapback]
It's still likely a top 5 of the 80s for me.

Yeah, it's without question one of the best metal albums of all time. I'm not a fan of the band's 1990-2003 music whatsoever, but OMII has me respecting the band more now. I really thought this would be a gigantic mess...
Seamus
Damn, I had all this band's discs up through Empire, but have gotten rid of all of them over the years (first turned onto them in, like '87). I really need to get Operation: Mindcrime back, and this talk of their sequel is intriguing. Somewhere in the house, I still have a cassette dub I made from my O:M disc (sadly, since taped over) with the the words "best album ever" (or something to that effect) written on the spine. I fell hard for that record...this will be a fun rediscovery.
beansimpson
QUOTE(Saskadelphia @ Feb 19 2006, 10:32 PM) [snapback]23719[/snapback]

Yeah, I just have the cassettes, too.

I agree that Testament were just a rung below the Big Four, and they never fully realised their potential...Souls of Black was a disaster. Much too rushed, and they pretty much lost me after that. I'd like to hear The Gathering, though...that's supposed to be a fine comeback.

On a completely different note, the new Godsmack single isn't bad, in a guilty pleasure kind of way. It's like Sevendust, just more of the same nu stuff, but for the most part, completely harmless. I've heard worse.

Goodsmack does have some catchy tunes that fall into the guilty pleasure catagory. Unfortunatly their lack of creativity keeps from allowing them to put out high quality albums. They are also the only band I can think off that has blatently ripped off their own songs (Outside of Ides of March, but they only did it with 1 song.)

QUOTE(Saskadelphia @ Feb 20 2006, 12:30 PM) [snapback]24013[/snapback]

Thanks, PH.

I listened to Queensryche's highly anticipated Operation: Mindcrime II late last night. Highly anticipated, because, most people (including myself) have been expecting a trainwreck of epic proportions, but much to my surprise, the album is very good. Their heaviest in a good decade, Tate's best singing in a very long time...the album's more aggressive and punchy than I thought it would be.

Beware, though...it might be a better idea to wait until the album's officially in stores on April 4, because Tate's vocals are buried in the mix at times, and there are a handful of moments where it's hard to figure out what he's singing. From what I can gather, the plot is decidedly introspective, as Nikki returns to society after 18 years in prison, and sets out to find Dr. X, played by Ronnie James Dio in a brilliant cameo on "The Chase", one of the best songs. There's a plot twist...at least I think there is, but that's the most that I'll say. And the ending is decidedly enigmatic.

One thing the album lacks that the first Mindcrime had are the really catchy hooks. The songs are good, but there are no songs that can stand alone as singles (as "I Don't Believe in Love" and "Eyes of a Stranger" did), and nothing comes close to either "Suite: Sister Mary" or "The Mission", which I regard as the band's best song of all time (the absence of key songwriter Chris DeGarmo is very noticeable). That said, it's a fine comeback that is able to stand alongside the original. Disaster averted.

Ohhhh man. I was also predicting disaster, but after reading this, I now have an album that I'm itching to get at.
ParticleHustler
Great to hear about Queensryche. I was cautiously optimistic.
Raiderbri
I saw them in April of 2004 at the HOB and they were great. I am looking forward to hearing Mindcrime II...
ParticleHustler
O:MC II is in the newsgroups.
solace
y'know

i haven't listened to Queensryche in a dozen years or so, and fuck if i'm not digging this way WAY more than i ever would have expected...

wow
Saskadelphia
Okay, I just spent the geekiest hour ever, annotating each song on Mindcrime II, trying to get a grasp of the plot. I think I have it.

I think.
throughsilver
Just want a flavour of it - is there a standout track at this point?

FWIW, my faves on the first one were 'Eyes Of A Stranger', 'Suite Sister Mary' and 'I Don't Believe In Love' (seeing as how, you know, it was essentially a warmup for 'EOAS').
Etiam
Diesel: I absolutely agree. I have what may be a very precarious perception of my music, since it's entirely possible that most of the artists I listen to are just out to booze and fuck, while I am listening to their music in a much more intellectual way. The live experience, if one is not careful to avoid such situations, could be disastrous, on both the performance and audience side of the equation.

About Testament, I heard so much about them, and picked up The Gathering, supposedly their comeback in style album, and was somewhat underwhelmed. There are definately good tracks, but it's hardly the best thrash album of all time. Old material that I surveyed also did not strike me as exceptional. I think they were at all points less than the sum of their parts.

About Queensryche. First of all, this is one of my favorite 80's bands. I drove up to Milwaukee to see them perform Operation: Mindcrime in its entirety (props, sets, costumes and all) as one set of a two set show. Was amazing. Absolutely brilliant.

I admit that I have not heard O:M II in its entirety. Hardly. But the 'I am American' sample that I did hear was terribly lackluster. They've always been on the edge of pop, but it was smart pop. This just sounded like poppy pop, with less smooth sounds and more jumpy 'fun'.
I am skeptical.
Saskadelphia
QUOTE(throughsilver @ Feb 21 2006, 07:04 AM) [snapback]24721[/snapback]

Just want a flavour of it - is there a standout track at this point?

I'll post a track or two before the afternoon's over. The rip of the album is too big for me to YSI, it'll take too long to upload.

It's weird, I have to be careful which songs to post, to avoid spoilers!
solace
Sask, do you think Tate's vocals are still pretty decent on MCII?

like i said, it's been years since i've lsitened to their old records, but other than sounding a bit higher than before, i think his voice holds up just fine, but a lot of people are complaining about it on here :-/
Saskadelphia
QUOTE(solace @ Feb 21 2006, 03:11 PM) [snapback]25236[/snapback]

Sask, do you think Tate's vocals are still pretty decent on MCII?

His voice has lost some of the power from the 80s, but yeah, this is his strongest singing in well over a decade. There's more feeling...I think being in character forced him to emote more, which has helped his overall performance.

Another thing to remember is the band didn't have the big label bucks that were behind the first Mindcrime, which had orchestras, slick production, etc. Here, it's string synths and a cozy, raw mix. There's a real warmth to the sound that I like.
Saskadelphia
Two from Operation: Mindcrime II:

"Hostage"
hxxp://s4.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=36DNGWAUPBSCT054O5JQDDTQ6M

"The Hands"
hxxps://s4.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=2FNK1ZZAH006A3PGEESGWLENDX
(cool reference to "I Don't Believe in Love" in this one)
throughsilver
QUOTE(Saskadelphia @ Feb 21 2006, 10:28 PM) [snapback]25322[/snapback]

Two from Operation: Mindcrime II:

"Hostage"
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"The Hands"
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(cool reference to "I Don't Believe in Love" in this one)

Same link there, bro. wink.gif
Saskadelphia
Fixed. Thanks for the heads-up!
throughsilver
Hey, thanks for the uppage! 'Hostage' was a good song indeed.
ParticleHustler
I've made it through track 12, and I'm very impressed. And yeah, the intro to Hands is a nice nod to the original MC. I am really, really digging this so far. The best Queensryche has sounded in a long time.

I'm actually happy they don't have any I Don't Believe In Love type formula songs on his album, because that's what originally turned me off of them at the time of Empire. All of the Empire singles aside from Silent Lucidity were that same cookie cutter formula of the 3 or 4 big singles from MC, and I quickly got tired of it.
Saskadelphia
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I've made it through track 12, and I'm very impressed. And yeah, the intro to Hands is a nice nod to the original MC. I am really, really digging this so far. The best Queensryche has sounded in a long time.

There's a sly homage to "Breaking the Silence" a little later on. I like how they used it. And how about that brilliant cameo by Dio as Dr. X?

I agree with what you said about Empire...after being such a huge fan from 1985-1990, Empire just felt too overtly commercial. The album had some great moments ("Best I Can", "Empire", "Lucidity"), but stuff like "Jet City Woman" just wrecked the mood.
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