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falling and laughing
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this is all inevitable, I guess, as we get more into post-punk era stuff-- everyone is off in their own little corners now, and there is less consensus. I'm not saying much different than corazon did in the lp thread, just lamenting the exclusion of different types of music that he did.


I don't understand this concept, though--if there's less consensus, shouldn't we get more weird stuff and less artists with six or seven singles/albums making the list?


I think the opposite happens because there's not just less consensus about what people like, but far, far less consensus about what people have heard in the first place, which arguably dilutes the whole thing. Basically, the pool of songs that are getting votes is so much wider, but most of the stuff on the final list is still gonna be things that everyone has heard-- except for a few wild cards (disco inferno, for one), you can basically chuck away anything that isn't fairly popular out of this poll because so much of the subgenre music is only gonna be picked by one or two people, right or wrong. What's left are still things everyone has heard, artists with loads of entries-- it might even be more biased to them because there are arguably fewer of them now.

I'd bet that, on average, it takes placing on a fewer % of the overall number of ballots to get into this poll than, say, the 55-64 or 65-74 ones. I'd also bet that a smaller % of the people who have heard, say, runaway train care about it vs. whatever placed in a similar spot on the 55- or 65- lists. This won't matter closer to the top of the poll, and it's just a hunch, but that's my guess in a way.

thresholdofrevelation
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Glad that and "Live to Tell" made it. Most underrated Madonna song, I think.


Remarkable that it's even listenable, considering how 100% awful most songs in the big-grandiose-80's-pop-ballad category are. The melody is good and the lyrics are understandable and the production/arrangement is just interesting and different enough to really set it appart from other songs that are similar conceptually. She'll release a few other ballads as singles later on in her career that are much more conventional and boring.
Citizen
QUOTE(agrimorfee @ Aug 22 2006, 04:12 PM) [snapback]173408[/snapback]

On this poll, I voted for a heck of a lot more singles from albums that I would never buy...


Likewise, and conversely, if I voted for an album, I tended to ignore the singles from it; seems redundant to pimp for both Graceland and "Al" (not that I would ever vote for either). I'd much rather free up space on my singles list for great songs that came from so-so albums.
Rob Gordon
me...I just voted for the worst possible singles imaginable just to get people very upset....
not really....pretty much what he said ^
elcorazon
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QUOTE(agrimorfee @ Aug 22 2006, 04:12 PM) [snapback]173408[/snapback]

On this poll, I voted for a heck of a lot more singles from albums that I would never buy...


Likewise, and conversely, if I voted for an album, I tended to ignore the singles from it; seems redundant to pimp for both Graceland and "Al" (not that I would ever vote for either). I'd much rather free up space on my singles list for great songs that came from so-so albums.

I hate that logic. If an album is really great, it would actually be kinda weird if it didn't also have 1 or 2 great singles. Not voting for them because you voted for the album is kinda dumb actually. nothing personal, but that's how I feel about it.

I also hate the limiting of singles(albums) from individual artists. If Dylan has 5 top 10 albums, so be it. If somebody else has a record better, then vote for that.
Citizen
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Glad that and "Live to Tell" made it. Most underrated Madonna song, I think.


Remarkable that it's even listenable, considering how 100% awful most songs in the big-grandiose-80's-pop-ballad category are.


That's what makes "Live to Tell" so great -- compared to what it shared chart space with, it's very understated. Take away those icy synths (which are crucial to the song's mood, imo) and it doesn't have much of an '80s signature at all.
Raj (Hey Genius)
QUOTE(The Good Dr Bill @ Aug 22 2006, 12:34 PM) [snapback]172953[/snapback]

That said, "Strings of Life" is far more important than good, IMO. #190 seems an entirely reasonable placement to me.

"Strings of Life" remains just as stunning and implausable after hundreds of listens; it seems to operate on some deeper level that calls into question the usefulness of wide stretches of music which aspire to little and achieve less by comparison.
The Good Dr Bill
'86 was a good year for monster hit ballads. "Take My Breath Away," "Tender Love," "Holding Back the Years," "Human"...good stuff.

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"Strings of Life" remains just as stunning and implausable after hundreds of listens; it seems to operate on some deeper level that calls into question the usefulness of wide stretches of music which aspire to little and achieve less by comparison.


wish I could agree with this (though I guess that's "Chime" for me, which luckily is still to come on the list). I like "Beyond the Dance" more, really.
Mitchell
I couldn't have voted for any A & B-side compilations in any period had I voted for more than a couple of the singles from it. Seems a waste when all my lists have been so hard to do.
elcorazon
QUOTE(MitchellStirling @ Aug 23 2006, 09:46 AM) [snapback]174258[/snapback]

I couldn't have voted for any A & B-side compilations in any period had I voted for more than a couple of the singles from it. Seems a waste when all my lists have been so hard to do.

damn. forgot my translator today. can anyone 'splain what he's sayin'?

I think he didn't vote for compilations of singles on the albums thread when he voted for the singles. Took me awhile to figure it out though.
Elemeno P.T.
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QUOTE(Ben @ Aug 22 2006, 04:01 PM) [snapback]173231[/snapback]

Tone Loc over Wu Tang? I thought this was supposed to be a good period in music. 1994 dominated our long ago all-time singles poll.



Glad that and "Live to Tell" made it. Most underrated Madonna song, I think.

I'd hardly call it underrated. The song was inescapable for at least two years after the release of "At Close Range." I just have a hard time seeing a plain song like this make the list and a great song like "Closer to Fine" get dismissed, no doubt because it's by a female artist that doesn't exude sexuality.
The Good Dr Bill
Travellin' the world, you're in search of no good
But I'm sure you're philosophic like I knew you would



#181.

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World Party - "Ship of Fools (Save Me From Tomorrow)"


Year
: 1986

US Chart Position: #27 / #5 Mainstream Rock

UK Chart Position: #42

Acclaimed Music Ranking: n/a

AMG Says: "It took a clean break from Mike Scott for Karl Wallinger to get World Party off the ground, and with some help from Sinéad O'Connor, he finally released Private Revolution in 1987. Wallinger's strong ties to cleaning up the environment are all over the album, and the first single, entitled "Ship of Fools," was destined to become a Top 30 hit before the album even hit the shelves. Eventually adopted by Greenpeace for a benefit album, "Ship of Fools" had all the right ingredients that a lead single should have, and it merged a vocally intense lyrical presence with a well-orchestrated beat, accompanied by some desolate-sounding piano in the background. "You will pay tomorrow" is the threatening message that introduces the chorus, but the song's catchy yet austere bounce nearly outweighs the intended warnings. Wallinger's voice does reveal an honest, emotive quality throughout, and there's no denying the attractive melody and the pop kick that keeps the song from being a totally dispirited and preachy effort. Private Revolution certainly lives up to its title, as the album is an obvious soapbox for Wallinger to address his concerns for the slow dilapidation of Mother Earth. Songs like "Making Love (To the World)," "Hawaiian Island World," "It Can Be Beautiful (Sometimes)" and the title track all pertain to the state of the world from an environmental standpoint, but they're all well-written, pop-smart pieces that show off just as much of Wallinger's talent as they are sermonizing. "Ship of Fools" became the only Top 40 single for World Party, despite some rather strong releases throughout the '90s, but the prominence that it did receive is truly well-deserved."

Ranked Highest By: jdubs3 (#18)

Can Be Most Easily Found On: Private Revolution
Elemeno P.T.
^^^
Great song...I should have voted for "Private Revolution".
Citizen
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QUOTE(Citizen @ Aug 23 2006, 09:19 AM) [snapback]174189[/snapback]

Likewise, and conversely, if I voted for an album, I tended to ignore the singles from it; seems redundant to pimp for both Graceland and "Al" (not that I would ever vote for either). I'd much rather free up space on my singles list for great songs that came from so-so albums.

I hate that logic. If an album is really great, it would actually be kinda weird if it didn't also have 1 or 2 great singles. Not voting for them because you voted for the album is kinda dumb actually.


In a lot of cases -- most, in fact, in my experience -- the singles aren't even what make a great album great. Where a majority of great albums get their depth is from tracks that seem at first to be also-rans, then gain more luster the more you listen. So I have no trouble at all giving short shrift to the singles from my favorite albums. Follow?
BobtheSquid
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Great song. Not sure why I placed it at #52. Should have been higher, imo.
worrywort
QUOTE(Ben @ Aug 20 2006, 09:01 PM) [snapback]171008[/snapback]

Who is voting for all this crap Paul Simon?

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LOL


Call me skeptical, but this exchange seems not as coincidental as it appears.
Sort of like there's a script being passed around or somebody's got the inside scoop.
Show a little respect, and don't ruin it for others.
Slackmo
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[size=5][b]Travellin' the world, you're in search of no good
But I'm sure you're philosophic like I knew you would



is this a parody of sorts?

I'm pretty sure it's "you'll build your Sodom" rather than "you're philosophic". (What with philosophic not being a verb and all.)
Citizen
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QUOTE(The Good Dr Bill @ Aug 22 2006, 03:10 PM) [snapback]173250[/snapback]

Glad that and "Live to Tell" made it. Most underrated Madonna song, I think.

I'd hardly call it underrated. The song was inescapable for at least two years after the release of "At Close Range." I just have a hard time seeing a plain song like this make the list and a great song like "Closer to Fine" get dismissed, no doubt because it's by a female artist that doesn't exude sexuality.


Oh, c'mon. I don't care for that track because it's corny and obvious, not because the people singing it aren't girly enough.
The Good Dr Bill
And if I should falter
Would you open your arms out to me



#180.

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Erasure - "A Little Respect"


Year
: 1988

US Chart Position: #14 / #2 Dance

UK Chart Position: #4

Acclaimed Music Ranking: n/a

Ranked Highest By: Scarymuppet (#19)

Can Be Most Easily Found On: The Innocents

QUOTE(worrywort @ Aug 23 2006, 11:05 AM) [snapback]174311[/snapback]


Call me skeptical, but this exchange seems not as coincidental as it appears.
Sort of like there's a script being passed around or somebody's got the inside scoop.


Show a little respect, and don't ruin it for others.


Nothing of the sort, at least that I know about. Though I'll admit, Ben's post definitely made me do a double take--initially thought maybe I had double posted the third Simon single.

But really, two Graceland entries in the top 250 is already two too many.

HUGE fucking meta-lol at this, though.
Slackmo
A giant can of Milwaukee's Best just crushed scarymuppet.
Mitchell
Wow, these songs are starting to get better. let's pump up the volume in this thread.
Slackmo
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QUOTE(The Good Dr Bill @ Aug 22 2006, 03:10 PM) [snapback]173250[/snapback]

Glad that and "Live to Tell" made it. Most underrated Madonna song, I think.

I'd hardly call it underrated. The song was inescapable for at least two years after the release of "At Close Range." I just have a hard time seeing a plain song like this make the list and a great song like "Closer to Fine" get dismissed, no doubt because it's by a female artist that doesn't exude sexuality.


Oh, c'mon. I don't care for that track because it's corny and obvious, not because the people singing it aren't girly enough.


I would've opted for grating and pandering, but corny and obvious works, too.

"At Close Range" ruined "Live to Tell" for me. Love that movie, but every snippet of the score is built around that damn song.

btw, Walken and Penn put on a clinic in that movie. Not to be missed.
The Good Dr Bill
If this is paradise
I wish I had a lawnmower



#179.

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Talking Heads - "(Nothing But) Flowers"


Year
: 1988

US Chart Position: #5 Mainstream Rock

UK Chart Position: #79

Acclaimed Music Ranking: n/a

Ranked Highest By: BobtheSquid (#4)

Can Be Most Easily Found On: Naked
Elemeno P.T.
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QUOTE(The Good Dr Bill @ Aug 22 2006, 03:10 PM) [snapback]173250[/snapback]

Glad that and "Live to Tell" made it. Most underrated Madonna song, I think.

I'd hardly call it underrated. The song was inescapable for at least two years after the release of "At Close Range." I just have a hard time seeing a plain song like this make the list and a great song like "Closer to Fine" get dismissed, no doubt because it's by a female artist that doesn't exude sexuality.


Oh, c'mon. I don't care for that track because it's corny and obvious, not because the people singing it aren't girly enough.

Corny and obvious? Let's see...

"the less I seek a source for some definitive, the closer I am to fine?
vs.
"Hope I live to tell the secret I have learned, 'til then...it will burn inside of me."
Rob Gordon
I agree with Mitchell.....starting to see some very good songs here. Flowers....

"If this is paradise
I wish I had a lawnmower!"
BobtheSquid
QUOTE(The Good Dr Bill @ Aug 23 2006, 09:31 AM) [snapback]174383[/snapback]

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Outside of "Heaven," the Heads' finest moment. I was pleasantly surprised to hear this as the opening music to "Clerks II."
The Good Dr Bill
no offense to the people that voted for it, since I'm sure you're all wonderful people with mothers that love you and miss you, but the fact that "(Nothing But) Flowers" made our list this high almost makes me physically nauseated. It's bad enough that "Road to Nowhere" and "And She Was," two average-at-best Heads hits, made the list, but at least those are pretty good songs in an absolute sense. "(Nothing But) Flowers" is easily the worst Heads song I've ever heard (though admittedly I haven't heard and never will hear the entirety of Naked) and quite possibly one of my least favorite songs from this era, the fact that it is now the third (and highest) Heads song on our list in an era that was far from their best or most important, when so many great songs placed lower or not at all makes me a little queasy.
worrywort
blame Kevin Smith
Slackmo
QUOTE(Rob Gordon @ Aug 23 2006, 10:37 AM) [snapback]174405[/snapback]

I agree with Mitchell.....starting to see some very good songs here. Flowers....

"If this is paradise
I wish I had a lawnmower!"


this should have been the teaser.
Rob Gordon
QUOTE(The Good Dr Bill @ Aug 23 2006, 11:44 AM) [snapback]174435[/snapback]

no offense to the people that voted for it, since I'm sure you're all wonderful people with mothers that love you and miss you, but the fact that "(Nothing But) Flowers" made our list this high almost makes me physically nauseated. It's bad enough that "Road to Nowhere" and "And She Was," two average-at-best Heads hits, made the list, but at least those are pretty good songs in an absolute sense. "(Nothing But) Flowers" is easily the worst Heads song I've ever heard (though admittedly I haven't heard and never will hear the entirety of Naked) and quite possibly one of my least favorite songs from this era, the fact that it is now the third (and highest) Heads song on our list in an era that was far from their best or most important, when so many great songs placed lower or not at all makes me a little queasy.


wronnnngggggg! Flowers brought back some of their polyrhythms that were missing from Road and And She Was....something a TH fan like myself missed. Just when it got back to interesting...they broke up. Much to the doctor's delight I suspect.
BobtheSquid
QUOTE(The Good Dr Bill @ Aug 23 2006, 09:44 AM) [snapback]174435[/snapback]

no offense to the people that voted for it, since I'm sure you're all wonderful people with mothers that love you and miss you, but the fact that "(Nothing But) Flowers" made our list this high almost makes me physically nauseated. It's bad enough that "Road to Nowhere" and "And She Was," two average-at-best Heads hits, made the list, but at least those are pretty good songs in an absolute sense. "(Nothing But) Flowers" is easily the worst Heads song I've ever heard (though admittedly I haven't heard and never will hear the entirety of Naked) and quite possibly one of my least favorite songs from this era, the fact that it is now the third (and highest) Heads song on our list in an era that was far from their best or most important, when so many great songs placed lower or not at all makes me a little queasy.


Yeah, you're just wrong here. Sorry.
theremin
QUOTE(MitchellStirling @ Aug 23 2006, 10:21 AM) [snapback]174354[/snapback]

Wow, these songs are starting to get better. let's pump up the volume in this thread.


DANCE! DANCE! DANCE! DANCE!
The Good Dr Bill
Heads the Punk / New Wave band >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Heads the "Polyrhythmic" band

worrywort
no duh
The Good Dr Bill
I didn't think it would need to be said either, but
Jimmy TKB
I have always felt underwhelmed by Talking Heads 80's stuff. That movie put me to sleep too
The Good Dr Bill
probably best not to get me started on the movie. Suffice to say, post-'85 Byrne/Heads = dead to me.
BobtheSquid
Who's arguing later Heads are better than earlier Heads? On a whole, sure, the early stuff wins. I just think "(Nothing But) Flowers" is a great song. And I'll never convince anyone, but Naked is very underrated. Great record.
Slackmo
I hate "Burning Down The House."
elcorazon
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QUOTE(elcorazon @ Aug 23 2006, 09:30 AM) [snapback]174208[/snapback]

QUOTE(Citizen @ Aug 23 2006, 09:19 AM) [snapback]174189[/snapback]

Likewise, and conversely, if I voted for an album, I tended to ignore the singles from it; seems redundant to pimp for both Graceland and "Al" (not that I would ever vote for either). I'd much rather free up space on my singles list for great songs that came from so-so albums.

I hate that logic. If an album is really great, it would actually be kinda weird if it didn't also have 1 or 2 great singles. Not voting for them because you voted for the album is kinda dumb actually.


In a lot of cases -- most, in fact, in my experience -- the singles aren't even what make a great album great. Where a majority of great albums get their depth is from tracks that seem at first to be also-rans, then gain more luster the more you listen. So I have no trouble at all giving short shrift to the singles from my favorite albums. Follow?

I follow. And that's fine IF that's the case, but say you really like, for example "Thriller" or "Purple Rain" or "Armed Forces" - hard to imagine loving those records and not thinking the singles on them are worth the vote.

I guess I do what you're saying sometimes, but only when it makes sense, not in some effort to diversify my vote or something.
The Good Dr Bill
Oh wait, that shit is on?


#178.

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The Geto Boys - "Mind Playin' Tricks on Me"


Year
: 1991

US Chart Position: #23 / #10 R&B / #1 Rap

UK Chart Position: n/a

Acclaimed Music Ranking: #11 (year), #48 (decade), #429 (all-time)

Rank on Our All-Time Singles List: #225

Ranked Highest By: Hector Gilbert (#7)

Can Be Most Easily Found On: We Can't Be Stopped
Agrimorfee
Not like we're going to see anymore Napalm Death singles listed here or anything. smile.gif
Bobzilla
QUOTE(The Good Dr Bill @ Aug 23 2006, 10:44 AM) [snapback]174435[/snapback]

no offense to the people that voted for it, since I'm sure you're all wonderful people with mothers that love you and miss you, but the fact that "(Nothing But) Flowers" made our list this high almost makes me physically nauseated. It's bad enough that "Road to Nowhere" and "And She Was," two average-at-best Heads hits, made the list, but at least those are pretty good songs in an absolute sense. "(Nothing But) Flowers" is easily the worst Heads song I've ever heard (though admittedly I haven't heard and never will hear the entirety of Naked) and quite possibly one of my least favorite songs from this era, the fact that it is now the third (and highest) Heads song on our list in an era that was far from their best or most important, when so many great songs placed lower or not at all makes me a little queasy.
After reading the 70s soft rock thread and seeing some of the songs you think are great that my poor teeenage ears had to endure, well, seeing this makes me physically nauseated and a little queasy. But I've come to expect nothing less from our Good Dr. Bill!

Yes I am wonderful and my mother loves me and misses me.
The Good Dr Bill
haha, if there's one thing I've learned from this webboard, it's that when it comes to pop music, there's really no accounting for place and time.
The Good Dr Bill
Ladies and gentlemen
The dream we all dream of
Boy vs. Girl
In the World Series of Love



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Prince - "U Got the Look" / "Housequake"


Year
: 1987

US Chart Position: #2

UK Chart Position: #11

Acclaimed Music Ranking: #32 (year), #232 (decade), #1280 (all-time)

Ranked Highest By: Birdistheword (#17)

Can Be Most Easily Found On: Sign O the Times
Agrimorfee
QUOTE(The Good Dr Bill @ Aug 23 2006, 01:34 PM) [snapback]174676[/snapback]

haha, if there's one thing I've learned from this webboard, it's that when it comes to pop music, there's really no accounting for place and time.



...or taste. rolleyes.gif
mouthbreather
QUOTE(Rob Gordon @ Aug 23 2006, 10:50 AM) [snapback]174453[/snapback]

QUOTE(The Good Dr Bill @ Aug 23 2006, 11:44 AM) [snapback]174435[/snapback]

no offense to the people that voted for it, since I'm sure you're all wonderful people with mothers that love you and miss you, but the fact that "(Nothing But) Flowers" made our list this high almost makes me physically nauseated. It's bad enough that "Road to Nowhere" and "And She Was," two average-at-best Heads hits, made the list, but at least those are pretty good songs in an absolute sense. "(Nothing But) Flowers" is easily the worst Heads song I've ever heard (though admittedly I haven't heard and never will hear the entirety of Naked) and quite possibly one of my least favorite songs from this era, the fact that it is now the third (and highest) Heads song on our list in an era that was far from their best or most important, when so many great songs placed lower or not at all makes me a little queasy.


wronnnngggggg! Flowers brought back some of their polyrhythms that were missing from Road and And She Was....something a TH fan like myself missed. Just when it got back to interesting...they broke up. Much to the doctor's delight I suspect.

I have to side with R. Gordon on this. The TH albums with the African-inspired polyrhythms are just incredible. It was nice to see a return to form on Naked.
The Good Dr Bill
Everyone has been burned before
Everybody knows the pain



#176.

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The Charlatans - "The Only One I Know"


Year
: 1990

US Chart Position: n/a

UK Chart Position: #9

Acclaimed Music Ranking: #19 (year), #129 (decade), #997 (all-time)

Ranked Highest By: Tracy Jacks (#30)

Can Be Most Easily Found On: Some Friendly
Saskadelphia
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Everyone has been burned before
Everybody knows the pain

16 years, and I never knew the lyrics in the chorus until now. laugh.gif

One of those great songs where the words don't matter.
More Drama
that world party song is good

it's uh kinda like inxs
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