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Cinnamon P.
QUOTE(Philoctetes @ Sep 10 2006, 08:48 AM) [snapback]190076[/snapback]

Ys is easily my album of the year at this point. Although i thought some of the songs were a bit much at first, now i can't imagine any of the songs being shorter than they are without sacrificing what makes them so stunning (with the only exception being Monkey & Bear, which i find damn irritating). Granted, the style of music Joanna employs here is not for everyone. Unlike MEM, here the tracks ebb and flow, allowing the storytelling to take center stage. By freeing herself from the contraints of traditional 'song structure', Newsom creates an album that functions in the same way that most post-rock albums do. Each track floats along, without approaching, or rather not seeming to approach, any sort of conclusion. And yet, the songs do go somewhere, assuming the listener is willing to hear the story to the very end. And this, i imagine, is why some people will not embrace Ys. There may be a constant sense of building in some of these songs, but sometimes the climax will come early, sometimes late, and sometimes not at all. If there ever was an album that requires an audience moreso than simply a listener, than this is it.


someones a writter? (please if you are serious, don't use ebb and flow, the biggest cop-out description ever)

but yeah.
ryan
QUOTE(Cinnamon Pooter @ Sep 10 2006, 02:15 PM) [snapback]190269[/snapback]

someones a writter? (please if you are serious, don't use ebb and flow, the biggest cop-out description ever)

...and someone's not a writter.
Cinnamon P.
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QUOTE(Cinnamon Pooter @ Sep 10 2006, 02:15 PM) [snapback]190269[/snapback]

someones a writter? (please if you are serious, don't use ebb and flow, the biggest cop-out description ever)

...and someone's not a writter.


were you insulted at a little nudge at someone else? and did I state that I was a writter? I've actually read his reviews on his myspace page and was just stating that everyone has used "ebb and flow", just look up a review of any artist who has a tempo under 120 beats per minute, I'm sorry you took it poorly.

thanks for jumping in though, glad you came
ryan
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QUOTE(ryan @ Sep 10 2006, 04:19 PM) [snapback]190271[/snapback]

QUOTE(Cinnamon Pooter @ Sep 10 2006, 02:15 PM) [snapback]190269[/snapback]

someones a writter? (please if you are serious, don't use ebb and flow, the biggest cop-out description ever)

...and someone's not a writter.


were you insulted at a little nudge at someone else? and did I state that I was a writter? I've actually read his reviews on his myspace page and was just stating that everyone has used "ebb and flow", just look up a review of any artist who has a tempo under 120 beats per minute, I'm sorry you took it poorly.

thanks for jumping in though, glad you came

Wow -- way to freak the fuck out over nothing.
Cinnamon P.
oh...hmmm. sorry. I didn't even notice the spelling mistake so took it way wrong.

I'm flipping out on everyone today. 3rd day smoke free. sorry again there ryan.
ryan
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It's cool, man.
Threadkiller
Gentlemen please...no need to quarrel at my expense. biggrin.gif

And yes Pooty, english is my calling. Hopefully ill be writing for the local paper for this coming semester.

And i'll take into account your "ebb and flow" comment. You are right, it is a catchphrase that is often thrown around by pretentious indie-types (Pitchfork, im looking at you). That being said, i stand by its accuracy when describing the Newsom record. Some albums, like Drum's Not Dead or the whole post-rock genre in general, are characterized by their pacing. Keep in mind though, this is not to say that an album has to be slow to "ebb and flow". I would say the same thing about a Lightning Bolt or sunn 0))) record, and they are not even close to being 120 bpm. Just some food for thought.



itsme
QUOTE(itsme @ Sep 10 2006, 07:11 AM) [snapback]190061[/snapback]

Now I'm actually hoping she comes through town soon so I get a chance to catch her live.
Responding to my own post because I was surprised to get to see her so soon after writing this. Though she didn't do any of her own music. Smog played here tonight and the show consisted of Bill on electric guitar and Joanna on keyboard and a few harmony vocals. At the time I didn't know who it was (he never introduced her), but I had the same response to her vocals; namely, indecision whether or not I like them. So, not really what I was asking for when I said I wanted to see her live, but still pretty funny (to me).
UselessRocker
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QUOTE(Cinnamon Pooter @ Sep 10 2006, 02:32 PM) [snapback]190283[/snapback]

QUOTE(ryan @ Sep 10 2006, 04:19 PM) [snapback]190271[/snapback]

QUOTE(Cinnamon Pooter @ Sep 10 2006, 02:15 PM) [snapback]190269[/snapback]

someones a writter? (please if you are serious, don't use ebb and flow, the biggest cop-out description ever)

...and someone's not a writter.


were you insulted at a little nudge at someone else? and did I state that I was a writter? I've actually read his reviews on his myspace page and was just stating that everyone has used "ebb and flow", just look up a review of any artist who has a tempo under 120 beats per minute, I'm sorry you took it poorly.

thanks for jumping in though, glad you came

Wow -- way to freak the fuck out over nothing.



Oh, where is your inflammatory writter?
Wolfgang
QUOTE(itsme @ Sep 11 2006, 12:21 AM) [snapback]190476[/snapback]

QUOTE(itsme @ Sep 10 2006, 07:11 AM) [snapback]190061[/snapback]

Now I'm actually hoping she comes through town soon so I get a chance to catch her live.
Responding to my own post because I was surprised to get to see her so soon after writing this. Though she didn't do any of her own music. Smog played here tonight and the show consisted of Bill on electric guitar and Joanna on keyboard and a few harmony vocals. At the time I didn't know who it was (he never introduced her), but I had the same response to her vocals; namely, indecision whether or not I like them. So, not really what I was asking for when I said I wanted to see her live, but still pretty funny (to me).

Are you in Chicago? I think a friend of mine was at that Smog show, where was it at?
itsme
Yes. It was at the Old Town School of Folk Music. They played Blueberry Hill in St. Louis one or two nights ago -- according to Bill, to an audience of 10. Josephine Foster was supposed to open last night but, unfortunately, cancelled. I've only heard a couple of her songs, but I would have liked to see her.
Wolfgang
yeah i saw josephine open for joanna a couple years ago, she was a trip.
Jess
josephine foster is good
Wolfgang
Ys World Tour '06
Chicago, IL
Logan Square Auditorium
November 8th

taken from the 'fork.
st. park
hmm. i'm excited to see her, but let down by the choice of venue. old town school of folk would have been a perfect setting for this tour.

and i still listen to ys almost every single day. love, love this album.
Wolfgang
This just in: Joanna Newsom still adorable.

8 November 2006 - Logan Square Auditorium Chicago, IL (Late Show)
1. Bridges & Baloons
2. Sadie
3. "Old Scottish Traditional" (<anyone know the name of this one?)
4. Emily*
5. Monkey & Bear*
6. Sawdust & Diamonds
7. Only Skin*
8. Cosmia*
-encore-
9. Peach, Plum, Pear
10. The Book of Right-On
11. Clam, Crab, Cockle, Cowrie

*Played with full band, everything else was her and her harp.
Hans Christian Anderson
i'm excited to hear this album. i've only heard a little of her stuff and never really listened to it closely (ie it was playing in the background or something), but it seemed decent enough. i definitely heard a bjork thing in her voice. anyhow, my buddy has been raving about this album for the last two months, and i think i'll entertain him when we make the drive to go see built to spill this weekend.
nista80
this is great, she's unbelievably amazing live, and so damn beautiful, photos so don't do her justice!

has anyone bought this on vinyl? what's the artwork like, does it have lyrics included?
i bought decemberists - the crane wife on vinyl cos i'd already d/l'd but still wanted to own a copy and their artwork is always great (apart from picaresque), anyway, i was most disappointed after spending $20NSD more for the vinyl version to find that it doesn't have any additional artwork, and no lyrics, whereas the cd version's got quite a thick booklet with all the lyrics!
long story short, i don't want to by Ys on vinyl only to find that it's got no additional artwork or lyrics, cos i'll never actually play the vinyl...
Nick
I find "Sawdust & Diamonds" to be stunning.
Wolfgang
I'm still listening to this at least a couple times per week, I have a different favorite part every time I hear it.

Oh, and at the show last night I noticed right away that she was toning her voice down. Good for those who don't like the high-pitched Joanna, bad for those that do.

Village Voice review of the album:
http://www.villagevoice.com/music/0645,kamps,74931,22.html

QUOTE
Sailing the Seas of Ys
Joanna Newsom is nobody's pixie, sprite, bear, fairy, or folk freak

by Garrett Kamps
November 3rd, 2006 4:26 PM

So Bear and Monkey are locked up in a barn by this shysty farmer. But they escape one night and hightail it Bonnie and Clyde–like over the river and through the woods to a faraway town. And Monkey's like, "Bear, I'm into you. And I want you to be free and live like the bear you are, all lumbering around and showing off your teeth and eating people. But first we must cobble together some scratch. So I'll play the organ and you dance around. It's humiliating, I know—you'd rather be eating those people than dancing for them. But just do it for a little bit and we'll stay fed. Oh, and I love you, did I mention that? Seriously. Look, I bought you a new bowling ball."
Well Bear, she plays along, even though Monkey continually reneges on his promise (they're in love so it's confusing). But one night Bear cruises down to these seaside caves she frequents, which Monkey, the weenie, is afraid to explore. And when he finds out where Bear's gone, he haughtily proclaims, "When she gets back, I shall make her feel bad about herself!"

Meanwhile Bear's bathing herself in the cool ocean water, the salty, briny, foamy water in which she gnashes the bristles of her pelt, washes the fleas and the burrs out, etc. And on this night, here amid the whitewash and kelp, a speck beneath the heavens, Bear slips right out of herself—first the fur around her legs, then the business up around her shoulders, then the stuff that covers her belly, until her all-natural coat is just floating, dragging, wallowing. Wraithlike! Bear leaves it behind, and with it her hopes of someday roaming free, of sinking those teeth into something she was born to eat.

And that's "Monkey and Bear," the second song off Joanna Newsom's second record, Ys. That's Ys as in Eees. As in "I have no idea."

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During a cool magic hour in Nevada City, California, seated beneath the vines of an outdoor patio, Joanna Newsom orders a rack of ribs and a beer. She's wearing blue jeans and two layers of frilly, cute shirts.

Newsom's friend is walking down the comically bucolic street, and spies us seated here. She sits down.

"Hi Dil," she says to Newsom.

"Hi Hil," Newsom replies.

Hil is on her way to Town Hall to speak to city officials about putting a sign up in front of her newly opened record store.

"What's a parapet?" she asks.

"You could use the dictionary," Newsom answers.

"Or I could ask Dil."

Words you may need to know to fully enjoy Dil's new record: hydrocephalatic, cur, inchoate, Pleiades, plough (that's the arcane British spelling that does not rhyme with slough), slough (aha!), diluvian (see her 2003 debut, The Milk-Eyed Mender), sorrel and roan (horses, not rhymed), sassafras and Sisyphus (rhymed), shoal, rushes (as a noun), yarrow, hollyhock.

Instruments employed: Lyon & Healy 11-pedal harp, electric bass, electric guitar, percussion, banjo and mandolin, accordion, marimba and cymbalum (??), violins, violas, cellos, basses, clarinets, flutes, oboe, bassoon, trumpet, French horn.

Voices: Joanna's, her sister's, her boyfriend Bill Callahan's (he of Smog).

Total Songs: five.

Total Length: 55.7 minutes.

Suggested title for college paper: "Joanna Newsom Is Planning a Party for Randy Newman: The Intertwined Influence of Virginia Woolf and Van Dyke Parks."

Merry Men: Auxiliary Beach Boy and master musician Van Dyke Parks (arranger, co-producer with Newsom), indie auteur Steve Albini (engineer, recorder of harp and vocals), Sonic Youngster Jim O'Rourke (mixer), no-doubt-sweet-dude Nick Webb (masterer, at Abbey Road no less).

Amount of money Drag City will recoup from this investment: Enough to buy one retail copy of the new Howling Hex record. Maybe.

Effort involved in soup-to-nuts production of record: Aqueducts are dug through the Yukon with this much sweat.

Mistakes made: Probably the oil painting on the cover.

Worth it? Ahem. A story:

The drive up from San Francisco to Nevada City takes only three hours, but the manner in which urban melts into suburban melts into exurban melts into zilch is disarming. First you pass about 75 big-box stores: Best Buy, Home Depot, Best Buy, Office Space, Best Buy (WTF?). But eventually you pull into a town advertising a Craft Faire, where one fella running for city council is named Chauncey Poston. And on the radio, on NPR, is a story about deaf folks who, through some miracle technology, have had their hearing switched on, and the person they're interviewing, this formerly deaf girl, says that what she wanted to hear most as a person hearing the world for the very first time was the sound of a saw cutting through a tree. Shortly after that you interview Joanna Newsom.

Joanna Newsom's first interview? February 2003. With? Yours truly. Where? A park in Oakland called Children's Fairyland. Seriously? Seriously. Whose choice was that? Hers. Statements uttered? "I guess when I write songs, I'm trying to write them from the place in myself that's childlike." Regrets about said utterance? Evidently, since statements like that, made at the outset of her career, produced a chorus of condescending press so loud Newsom felt compelled to recently instruct her PR flack not to (in the words of said flack) "use the words fairy tale or childhood or innocent, etc. in conjunction with her music."

Regardless, post-Fairyland, Newsom went and got famous on account of The Milk-Eyed Mender, which everyone from Dave Eggers to Dave Bowie (probably) spat milk through their nose to, on account of its courage, really. This was before kids got famous playing lutes and zithers, remember. Before Mender, Newsom played harp at weddings ("Brick House," meet Lyon & Healy). At those first SF shows she took the stage like she was auditioning, which she was. And she didn't have Devendra Banhart's fuck-it-I'm-crazy attitude, either. What she wanted to say needed to be said directly, and in as naked a way possible. And so she said it while playing this harp of hers, and for that she got relatively famous, or at least a long way from playing weddings.

But as famous people know, the new life you cultivate as a public figure doesn't care all that much about the life you must simultaneously continue to live in private: your Real Life. In that life, as everyone was calling her a child prodigy, as The New York Times declared her "maybe one of the country's greatest young singer-songwriters," as critics and fans were continuing to call her a pixie and a fairy and a sprite, as they were talking about freak folk and Banhart and the New Weird America and all that other junk—in that Real Life clouds were beginning to form.

So here's the story behind the record: Somewhere around '04 Joanna broke up with her boyfriend of six years, a good man and talented producer named Noah G. who's currently working with Banhart and the rest of the freak squad. She'd lived with Noah for five of those six years, had moved from Nevada City to San Francisco with him, had basically learned much of what she knows about playing music for a living from him. And the relationship eventually buckled under what I assume to be the pressures of her emerging career, although I really don't know, and don't feel like asking, and what I've just told you is pretty much all I feel like knowing or relating on the subject.

Same goes for her other personal travails from '03 to '05, wherein that dark cloud descended over her family and friends. It was not easy. But somewhere in there she met the Smog guy, Callahan, and they're in love now. Also somewhere in there she heard Van Dyke Parks's Song Cycle, and she got tired of the freak-whatever scene and tried to distance herself from it (no hard feelings). And when it all quieted down she decided it was time to start dealing with that intersection of her Real Life and Public Life, which meant sitting down to write songs about those lovers and these friends and that family and this world her head is all but sewn to: Nevada City, a place that truly does operate at about .03 mph, a place where she says most of her friends don't really register what she does for a living. And these songs she was writing, well, she knew they'd have to be long because, simply, "It would be extremely vulgar to make them short."

Like many hotel rooms in Los Angeles, the one in the Roosevelt where she and Van Dyke Parks first met should probably be cast in bronze. Parks was not familiar with Joanna or her music. Joanna really dug Song Cycle. Someone placed a phone call. Parks and his wife graciously landed on a bed in a room as a girl with a harp sat down and played her songs. Parks said, "Y'up." Joanna gave him a long list of particulars: During this moment, the music should feel orange, stuff like that. Parks put together arrangements, they went back and forth, he ordered her harp 'n' voice parts recorded separate from the orchestra. Albini did so. More back and forth. Then O'Rourke comes in, and mixes the whole thing as if the myriad instruments were a bunch of strangers scuttling through a downtown lobby. Then it's off to Abbey Road. Roughly a year later they had an album.

It's stupid to even begin to talk about the album*. You wanna know what it sounds like? It sounds like a saw cutting through a tree.

*Best album since Pet Sounds or Appetite for Destruction.

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Joanna Newsom plays Webster Hall November 13

Mitchell
I think this could be in Pazz and Jop's top 3.
dice
if the people working on this album are any indication, we're looking at album of the decade
st. park
still my album of the year.
umbrellatimes
i honestly don't get it. too much vocals, not enough time for the songs to breathe. Overboard. but it seems she can do a 3 hour rock opera and everyone will swoon regardless

I was sure everyone would call this out as bloated and overly self indulgent but it appears I'm completely wrong.

Joanna can do no wrong to the majority of people.
Some Girl
Let's not discourgage girl freaks of nature and all their pretty harp eccentricities.
solace
i've cooled on this record quite a bit, but i do still enjoy it, whereas the previous record made me want to stick pencils through my eardrums. so i'm glad she learned how to sing better and that her voice doesn't crack much at all on this new record.

i'm going to see her & Bill here in December, should be interesting to say the least.

so not only did Bill get to bang Chan Marshall for a good while, now he's slippin' it in Joanna too? dude must be hung like a horse.
killerparties
QUOTE(st. park @ Nov 10 2006, 10:45 AM) [snapback]240091[/snapback]

still my album of the year.



QUOTE(umbrellatimes @ Nov 10 2006, 12:39 PM) [snapback]240217[/snapback]

Joanna can do no wrong to the majority of people.



This is a very silly thing to say. Up until now, she wasn't really getting these across the board raves. I'm pretty sure that the reaction to this album surpasses general bandwagoning.
solace
QUOTE(umbrellatimes @ Nov 10 2006, 12:39 PM) [snapback]240217[/snapback]

Joanna can do no wrong to the majority of people.


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This is a very silly thing to say. Up until now, she wasn't really getting these across the board raves. I'm pretty sure that the reaction to this album surpasses general bandwagoning.

exactly.

the love in '04 was very divisive
undo
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QUOTE(Dark Flame @ Nov 9 2006, 01:00 AM) [snapback]238945[/snapback]

Killer Parties, that's Joanna Newsom in your signature, right? That settles it then, I'm seeing her in December.


Hell yeah. Lovely gal.

Cover Girl.
killerparties
I am seriously so in love with this woman.

Only a four year difference between us...maybe I have a chance.
Wolfgang
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QUOTE(killerparties @ Nov 9 2006, 02:39 AM) [snapback]238976[/snapback]

QUOTE(Dark Flame @ Nov 9 2006, 01:00 AM) [snapback]238945[/snapback]

Killer Parties, that's Joanna Newsom in your signature, right? That settles it then, I'm seeing her in December.


Hell yeah. Lovely gal.

Cover Girl.

Surprise, surprise, I bought this issue last week. It's a good article that goes indepth about the new album. And a synopsis as to wtf "Ys" means, described by Joanna herself.
Cinnamon P.
still a great cd. I calmed down on listening to it but jesus is it still good. that is a statement
umbrellatimes
if she wasn't hot, most of you wouldn't feel that way. I know that sounds fucked up. but I honestly think so

Some Girl
No, you're totally right, none of these dudes would give a fuck about a harpist. Except, St. Park (classical seeking) and Damo (who has a particular fetish for them).
Nick
I don't know what a harp is but I really like this album, LOL.
DrJimmy
i still dislike this, it sucks.

she's cute, but she's a fraud.
ryan
Doods, I totally saw a harp in the window of the store next to the Sports Authority, where I was picking up the new jerseys for my coed football team, on my way home from the strip club. Fuck, doods, I was WASTED! On a related note, I'd TOTALLY give it to that crazy Joanna bitch. She'd be walking funny for a week.
Cinnamon P.
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if she wasn't hot, most of you wouldn't feel that way. I know that sounds fucked up. but I honestly think so

dumbest post ever. dont find her attractive and the music is perfect.
killerparties
QUOTE(umbrellatimes @ Nov 10 2006, 06:55 PM) [snapback]240715[/snapback]

if she wasn't hot, most of you wouldn't feel that way. I know that sounds fucked up. but I honestly think so


It doesn't sound fucked up, but it's not true in my case.

I loved Milk-Eyed Mender long before I had any idea what she looked like.

She may be divisive, but that generally means that an artist creates a devoted following, and I don't think it's just her looks.
Burz
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QUOTE(umbrellatimes @ Nov 10 2006, 06:55 PM) [snapback]240715[/snapback]

if she wasn't hot, most of you wouldn't feel that way. I know that sounds fucked up. but I honestly think so

dumbest post ever. dont find her attractive and the music is perfect.

Yeah, that's pretty dumb. Who would listen to music they don't like just because the person making it is attractive? There are a ton of cute girls out there making terrible music and no one pays attention to them because they suck.

Anyway, you can read an unedited transcript of the Wire interview with Joanna here. It's a long interview but totally worth the read.
dantempo
I think Joanna is great and Ys is an incredibly rewarding listen, it's just that sometimes i feel she's taken that whole elves and pixies thing a bit too far...

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...oh, and yea, the interview is fascinating.
Pavement Ist Rad
QUOTE(Cinnamon Pooter @ Nov 11 2006, 02:26 AM) [snapback]240797[/snapback]

QUOTE(umbrellatimes @ Nov 10 2006, 06:55 PM) [snapback]240715[/snapback]

if she wasn't hot, most of you wouldn't feel that way. I know that sounds fucked up. but I honestly think so

dumbest post ever. dont find her attractive and the music is perfect.

Yeah, she's not that hot, guys. She looks like a 12 year old in Killer Parties's sig picture. Unless Joanna Newsom fans are the types of fellas who dig 12 year olds.
dice
hot! i didn't think so at first, though. first time i saw or heard of her was on jimmy kimmel and i was mesmerized, but it wasn't due to physical attraction
boobs
My roomate likes this. Terrible.
Raleigh
This album is good, very good.
killerparties
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QUOTE(Cinnamon Pooter @ Nov 11 2006, 02:26 AM) [snapback]240797[/snapback]

QUOTE(umbrellatimes @ Nov 10 2006, 06:55 PM) [snapback]240715[/snapback]

if she wasn't hot, most of you wouldn't feel that way. I know that sounds fucked up. but I honestly think so

dumbest post ever. dont find her attractive and the music is perfect.

Yeah, she's not that hot, guys. She looks like a 12 year old in Killer Parties's sig picture. Unless Joanna Newsom fans are the types of fellas who dig 12 year olds.


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Whatever.
Mitchell
9.4
boobs
::throws up::
Mitchell
Did you actually expect to like this then?
KENAN THOMPSON
QUOTE(cantstopwontstop @ Nov 13 2006, 12:56 PM) [snapback]241848[/snapback]

::throws up::


::punches deej the asshole in teh mouth::
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