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NumberTenOx
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-it lumbers. It's got too many details of who, what, where, when-- there are a lot of foodie world names listed, but I have no idea who they are or were. There is a lot of detail about where and when she and her husband travelled, and a lot of it doesn't really add to the overall narrative.


It's odd that you have this impression given the details that you're describing about it.
My wife is quite the foodie (MFK Fisher being a fav too) and she loved this book.
Can't say I would be as intrigued to read it myself.


I have almost no knowledge of the food world, and the stars within. I am not much of a foodie, I guess. My knowledge runs to the TV chefs-- Julia Child, Alton Brown (another one of my favorites), Jaques Peppin, etc. I had never heard of MFK Fisher until reading this book and, after finishing this book, I still wouldn't know who she is.

I thought I'd give it a try. I was looking for something different to read; guess I found it.

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Speaking of Pepin, the last show Childs did with Pepin was sort of intriguing because they had very different ways of preparing things when it came to recipes and they really did get along in this strange sort of fashion even though they were clearly at odds on almost every single episode.


Those shows were so much fun. They did take a lot of pleasure in ribbing each other, and sneaking in extra ingredients when the other's back was turned.
Ben
SOMB, displaying sudden Julia Childs fanatacism! Where do you get your French food in Chicago? I hear people say French cooking in America has declined in the last quarter century. Does the book address that?
NumberTenOx
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SOMB, displaying sudden Julia Childs fanatacism! Where do you get your French food in Chicago? I hear people say French cooking in America has declined in the last quarter century. Does the book address that?

Nothing "sudden" about it. I used to watch The French Chef when I was a kid. As it turned out, a lot of kids did. She was very comical and funny. It wasn't until years later that I realized she'd made an impact on the way people eat.

Classic French cooking overall ("classic" referring to Escoffier who wrote probably the first standard French cookbook, Le Guide Culinaire) hasn't dulled; it's changed. Even in France, the cooking has changed-- different ingredients, health and lifestyle choices, availability of preprepared foods, seasonal varieties available year 'round; it's not possible to duplicate the world of the 1930's in the 2000's.

Julia Child (who disliked "home economics" and "scientific food", and never skimped on the butter, cream, or lard) changed her tune as she got older-- both Julia and Paul Child had serious health issues in their later lives. As a consequence, she and her husband altered their cooking and eating styles-- however, they never stopped cooking in the French style for health reasons, they just modified the recipies and reduced their intake.

Also, most of the people in France who were trained in the classic style are dead, most of their students from all over the world are likewise dead. Even though there are schools the world over that teach the French style, I'd bet money that none of them teach Escoffier as it was taught in Paris in the 1930's-- for one thing, Escoffier is incredibly oblique. You have to have basic formal cooking skills to really use the 5,000+ recipes in Culinaire effectively-- they're very cryptic, and what we would consider basic information such as as measurements, temperature, and time are a bit of a mystery.

I haven't been to a French joint in years, but I used to go to Cafe Bernard on Halstead. They did nice French country cooking. I used to love their bean cassoulet.
biggie mcsmalls
Bistro Campagne in Lincoln Square.
Ben
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The unending chain of monumental superlatives and majestic adjectives Suskind used to describe his insatiable CIA warriors proved inestimably aggravating to the characteristically judgemental reader.

Meanwhile, Dick Cheney sat on in deceptive, oh so deceptive, silence.

No, but for real, this book is good. But it would be a lot better without all the cheeseball spy novel crap. I don't know if it's a device Suskind adopted in an attempt to popularize his subject matter or if it's just the way he always writes. But it's really lame. He actually opened a scene between Dick Cheney and Brent Scowcroft like this:

"How are you, Dick?"
"Come on in, Brent."
EXPOSITION....
RabbiSchmoiley
Hey, I've never posted in here. In fact, I've never really checked anything besides the music discussions, but it's time that changed!

Right now I'm reading two different things: "Ender's Game" by Orson Scott Card, and "The Dark is Rising" by Susan Cooper. (Note: I'm a children's services librarian. Most of the stuff I read is written for folks under 17.) Anyway, this is my second time through "Ender's Game." I loved this book! It's great sci-fi; we humans are engaged in a war with the buggers, a mysterious race of aliens that tried to beat the shit out of us twice before. The powers that be recruit children to go to a kind of space boot camp, in the hopes of finding that one military genius that can help the human race wipe out the buggers (not boogers, even though wiping those out would make sense, too).

"The Dark is Rising" is the second book in the sequence of the same name (with a grand total of five books). I had never read through this, so I had to check it out. So far I don't like this one as much as the first in the series ("Over Sea, Under Stone"), but it's kept me guessing so far, and I'm definitely interested in seeing where it goes. Not just the end of this book, but the next three books, also.

Anyway, I'd love to here more about the "grown-up" books you guys are reading. Especially more about Julia Child. Anyone here ever watch the Food Network?
Jordan
I finally got around to reading the Communist Antifesto
it's fairly mediocre, and laughable
and i'm also skipping along through the Tibetan Book of the Dead


it's nice working in a book store
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Ben
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I finally got around to reading the Communist Antifesto
it's fairly mediocre, and laughable
You find it quaint?
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Oh, yeah!
Ben
Oh, no!
CoolerbytheLake
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An Animal Farm for our times, with fascism and right-wing imperialism standing in for communism as the boogeyman in this fable. It should be required reading for the tween set in schools, but it never will be.

It's also short and easy to hold one-handed, so it's good for bathroom breaks.
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Oh, no!



No love for Long Way Down? It got mixed reviews, so I assume you're on the negative end of the spectrum.
NumberTenOx
I don't get the Hornby love at all.
biggie mcsmalls
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Started on the train this morning. Pretty gross, but fascinating.
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Oh, no!



No love for Long Way Down? It got mixed reviews, so I assume you're on the negative end of the spectrum.

First book of his I've ever read. I know I'm late to the party but I liked much of it, at least as soon as I got used to the rhythm of 4 different POV's and 3-page chapters. I'll likely seek out High Fidelity sometime, even though I've seen the movie.

I don't think he's a genius or anything but I hardly see what's wrong with reading and enjoying his works. Or are we supposed to read nothing but Tolstoy and Joyce, and nothing less than Murakami for our occasional lapses into "light reading"?
Ben
I don't think he's a total idiot or anything but I hardly see what's wrong with making a little jab at the enthusiasm that greets his works. Or are we supposed to like every freaking thing that comes down the line or be labeled a snob?

Plus, dude has the worst ideas about music. They're potentially cancerous.
NumberTenOx
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Never read any of his stuff before. Good so far.
RadioHitchcock
this

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and this

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It seems like a majority of the artists that I enjoy have killed themselves.
Is there any correlation in suicides by the audience who enjoy the suicide authors?

Are there any good SOMBIE-approved books that tackle the suicide problem?













Freddie Freelance
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this

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and this

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It seems like a majority of the artists that I enjoy have killed themselves.
Is there any correlation in suicides by the audience who enjoy the suicide authors?

Are there any good SOMBIE-approved books that tackle the suicide problem?

No, but you might want to read some James Tiptree, Jr. She wrote some great psychological SciFi before eating a gun.
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Started on the train this morning. Pretty gross, but fascinating.



This was too disgusting for me.

Started this, which I have been meaning to get to for years, instead:

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WesterMats
Currently reading the new McSweeney's:

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Just finished re-reading the brilliant:

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Alky 2009
Just finished:

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It was okay. Some of the stories were great, but some of them were kinda lame - especially the bowling ball one. And the narrative tying them together had promise but didn't really click with me.

Just started:

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Yeah, I know. But I felt like something light and breezy after Haunted.

On deck:

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Looking forward to this one.
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Currently reading the new McSweeney's:

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When did you get yours?
WesterMats
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Currently reading the new McSweeney's:

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When did you get yours?


I want to say about a week and a half ago?
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Just started:

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Yeah, I know. But I felt like something light and breezy after Haunted.


A little ironic, because this is the most angst-ridden chapter of the HP series.
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Currently reading the new McSweeney's:

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When did you get yours?


I want to say about a week and a half ago?



Fuck. We didn't get ours yet.
theremin
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I'll be reading this soon as I finish THE PRESTIGE. Which is fucking amazing.
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I don't think he's a total idiot or anything but I hardly see what's wrong with making a little jab at the enthusiasm that greets his works. Or are we supposed to like every freaking thing that comes down the line or be labeled a snob?

Plus, dude has the worst ideas about music. They're potentially cancerous.


He digs Songs From Northern Britain. That's good enough for me.
Alky 2009
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Just started:

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Yeah, I know. But I felt like something light and breezy after Haunted.


A little ironic, because this is the most angst-ridden chapter of the HP series.


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I've been able to tell that just from the first two chapters. But trust me, almost ANYTHING would be light and breezy after Haunted.
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Started on the train this morning. Pretty gross, but fascinating.


That is a great read. I picked it up because I work with cadavers every month or so. I wish it would have went into more of the medicinal use of the "stiffs".
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Started on the train this morning. Pretty gross, but fascinating.


That is a great read. I picked it up because I work with cadavers every month or so. I wish it would have went into more of the medicinal use of the "stiffs".



I only made it through the second chapter. My wife read the entire thing and really enjoyed it, but she warned me that I would get groosed out, and she was right.
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Started on the train this morning. Pretty gross, but fascinating.


That is a great read. I picked it up because I work with cadavers every month or so. I wish it would have went into more of the medicinal use of the "stiffs".



I only made it through the second chapter. My wife read the entire thing and really enjoyed it, but she warned me that I would get groosed out, and she was right.


Cadavers aren't for everyone. There is no "I'll get used to it" phase. One can either handle it, or puke.
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Plus, dude has the worst ideas about music. They're potentially cancerous.

I suspect this so I'm really not planning on ever reading Songbook. But when they're ideas coming from neurotic, self-deprecating characters of his, that's different. At least to me.
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Cadavers aren't for everyone. There is no "I'll get used to it" phase. One can either handle it, or puke.

I'll probably be taking anatomy & physiology next fall, so I guess I'll find out which kind of person I am in a year or so.
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Cadavers aren't for everyone. There is no "I'll get used to it" phase. One can either handle it, or puke.



Yeah, my wife grew up around a funeral home, so she had no problem with it.
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I just finished the book about the Whaleship Essex by Nathaniel Philbreck. Well-written and told account of ill-fated voyage by Nantucket vessel to S. Pacific in search of sperm whales. Sperm whale rams boat, it sinks, and thus begins the crew's journey in three whaleboats, covering thousands of miles and claiming many lives. Liked it a lot.
WesterMats
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I don't think he's a total idiot or anything but I hardly see what's wrong with making a little jab at the enthusiasm that greets his works. Or are we supposed to like every freaking thing that comes down the line or be labeled a snob?

Plus, dude has the worst ideas about music. They're potentially cancerous.


He digs Songs From Northern Britain. That's good enough for me.

I give Hi Fidelity an A, and Long Way Down a B+. It's a semi-interesting read about a group of people otherwise unlikely to hang together and what they are able to gain personally from their shared experiences.

Other Nick Hornby ratings (of the books I've read):

How to Be Good: B-
About a Boy: B
Songbook: C- (I wanted to love this book the way I love The Rock Snob's Dictionary, but couldn't finish it. Come to think of it, I never finished The Rock Snob's Dictionary either.)
biggie mcsmalls
Freddie Freelance, held, and Ox, I think you guys would enjoy this:

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Got this as a birthday gift last night, and dove in this morning on my commute.

So far it is a real joy.

As much as I've loved The Man in the High Castle, I'm guessing that finishing it will have to wait until I'm done with Heat.
NumberTenOx
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Freddie Freelance, held, and Ox, I think you guys would enjoy this:

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Got this as a birthday gift last night, and dove in this morning on my commute.

So far it is a real joy.

As much as I've loved The Man in the High Castle, I'm guessing that finishing it will have to wait until I'm done with Heat.

I almost bought this the other day; I've got this on hold at the library so I will wait. I was hoping it's good.

In a more technical vein, I strongly recommend the following:

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It's a bit of a tome, but facinating. Nancy Nestle is a nutritionist, who's done a very careful survey of most of the products you find in the supermarket-- she then breaks down the products, and illustrates how they're put together, usually at the expense of real nutrtion to satisfy a market need.

biggie mcsmalls
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I almost bought this the other day; I've got this on hold at the library so I will wait. I was hoping it's good.


Anthony Bourdain on Heat:

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Heat is a remarkable work on a number of fronts--and for a number of reasons. First, watching the author, an untrained, inexperienced and middle-aged desk jockey slowly transform into not just a useful line cook--but an extraordinarily knowledgable one is pure pleasure. That he chooses to do so primarily in the notoriously difficult, cramped kitchens of New York's three star Babbo provides further sado-masochistic fun. Buford not only accurately and hilariously describes the painfully acquired techniques of the professional cook (and his own humiliations), but chronicles as well the mental changes--the "kitchen awareness" and peculiar world view necessary to the kitchen dweller. By end of book, he's even talking like a line cook.

Secondly, the book is a long overdue portrait of the real Mario Batali and of the real Marco Pierre White--two complicated and brilliant chefs whose coverage in the press--while appropriately fawning--has never described them in their fully debauched, delightful glory. Buford has--for the first time--managed to explain White's peculiar--almost freakish brilliance--while humanizing a man known for terrorizing cooks, customers (and Batali). As for Mario--he is finally revealed for the Falstaffian, larger than life, mercurial, frighteningly intelligent chef/enterpreneur he really is. No small accomplishment. Other cooks, chefs, butchers, artisans and restaurant lifers are described with similar insight.

Thirdly, Heat reveals a dead-on understanding--rare among non-chef writers--of the pleasures of "making" food; the real human cost, the real requirements and the real adrenelin-rush-inducing pleasures of cranking out hundreds of high quality meals. One is left with a truly unique appreciation of not only what is truly good about food--but as importantly, who cooks--and why. I can't think of another book which takes such an unsparing, uncompromising and ultimately thrilling look at the quest for culinary excellence. Heat brims with fascinating observations on cooking, incredible characters, useful discourse and argument-ending arcania. I read my copy and immediately started reading it again. It's going right in between Orwell's Down and Out in Paris and London and Zola's The Belly of Paris on my bookshelf.


As gushing as that review is, I'd say it's pretty accurate.


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In a more technical vein, I strongly recommend the following:


It's a bit of a tome, but facinating. Nancy Nestle is a nutritionist, who's done a very careful survey of most of the products you find in the supermarket-- she then breaks down the products, and illustrates how they're put together, usually at the expense of real nutrtion to satisfy a market need.


Sounds good. I still want to read that Julia Childs one, too.
NumberTenOx
Y'all might also want to try:

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Similar to Fast Food Nation in outlook, and similar to Ackerman's A Natural History Of The Senses in tone, this book examines the question: "What's for dinner?" Or, more specifically:

-How does the modern world exploit that need?
-What are the consequences?
-What's the deal with corn, anyway?
-Why does food need a story?
-Why do we need food scientists to tell us what to eat? Haven't we been eating for millions of years?
-Does the food industry make people obese by design? Does the government support that idea?
-Why should Whole Foods start being considered for the Booker Prize?

And SO MUCH MORE!
Ben
I love all the foodie talk!
WesterMats
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I love all the foodie talk!
I agree -- I need to pick these up!
biggie mcsmalls
Guys, Heat is seriously good. I didn't want it to end last night. I read the final pages sooooo slowly. It even made me a little weepy, and not in a cheesy way. How does a book about cooking do that? It's just that damn good.
Ben
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Just bought it.
NumberTenOx
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Just bought it.

Saw this guy on Daily Show/Colbert something like that the other night. Yep. Another one that needs to go on the list.
Ben
Thirty percent off at Borders.
theremin
We've now taken to fastforwarding the Daily Show whenever the guest is "some asshole with a book".
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