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boobs
History is the best.
who else do you read?

QUOTE(cantstopwontstop @ Oct 11 2006, 09:55 AM) [snapback]216202[/snapback]

Ben, what do you think of Bukowski?

I think I may have asked you this before but i forget the answer. My old roomate said he considers beat literature the 'conscious rap' of the literary world. i imagine you take more of a popist view of beat lit. But I'm guessing. Discuss.

also want to make sure ben sees this.
Ben
I had a lengthy flirtation with the canon when I was about 20. I enjoyed the eight or ten books I read great deal, but haven't returned it much in three or four years. Like Ayn Rand or Dave Eggers or Kurt Vonnegut, the Beats seem to inspire a particular devotion among young people. I can't really explain it. Looking back, it's not something I'm reluctant to own up to, but having read many more books since then it's hard to summon the same excitement.
Northern Voice
I'm searching for a job after 5 years of school and finiding myself really bored and not doing too much to get my brain going lately, so I've started re-reading some books I enjoyed in University. Re-read "Green Grass Running Water" by Thomas King last week (probably my favourite book ever, highly recommended) and now I'm going at Heart of Darkness, which is a lot more enjoyable without a deadline and 2 hour seminar discussion on it pending.
boobs
QUOTE(Ben @ Oct 11 2006, 03:21 PM) [snapback]216634[/snapback]

I had a lengthy flirtation with the canon when I was about 20. I enjoyed the eight or ten books I read great deal, but haven't returned it much in three or four years. Like Ayn Rand or Dave Eggers or Kurt Vonnegut, the Beats seem to inspire a particular devotion among young people. I can't really explain it. Looking back, it's nothing something I'm reluctant to own up to, but having read many more books since then it's hard to summon the same excitement.

this makes sense to me. i never had a stage w/ it. I dont like Rand or Eggers, and although I liked Vonnegut fine i wouldn't say i had some supreme devotion. I just missed out on the beats the first time thru and feel goofy reading "on the road" on my morning commute at the age of 23 so i'm trying to decide whether to pass over it, skim thru, or whatever.

I've read Tropic of Cancer, if that counts, and I'm enjoying my first Bukowski book. I feel like the profane-ness and raunchiness will eventually seem pretty one-note.
Vivian Darkbloom
QUOTE(Ben @ Oct 11 2006, 01:21 PM) [snapback]216634[/snapback]

I had a lengthy flirtation with the canon when I was about 20. I enjoyed the eight or ten books I read great deal, but haven't returned it much in three or four years. Like Ayn Rand or Dave Eggers or Kurt Vonnegut, the Beats seem to inspire a particular devotion among young people. I can't really explain it. Looking back, it's nothing something I'm reluctant to own up to, but having read many more books since then it's hard to summon the same excitement.


I think that as with many literary movements, there are good writers and bad writers.

In my estimation,

Good beats: Wiliam S. Burroughs, Ken Kesey, Lawrence Ferlinghetti, Ginsburg, Leroy Jones/ Amiri Baraka, Jim Carroll

Bad beats: Kerouac, William Carlos Williams
boobs
Oh yeah I've read some amiri baraka (mostly blues people and poetry) and have read 'one flew over the cuckoo's nest' and began naked lunch but never finished it.
RadioHitchcock
QUOTE(Vivian Darkbloom @ Oct 11 2006, 03:36 PM) [snapback]216658[/snapback]



Good beats: Wiliam S. Burroughs, Ken Kesey, Lawrence Ferlinghetti, Ginsburg, Leroy Jones/ Amiri Baraka, Jim Carroll

Bad beats: Kerouac, William Carlos Williams

feisty
QUOTE(cantstopwontstop @ Oct 11 2006, 12:28 PM) [snapback]216468[/snapback]

History is the best.
who else do you read?


Mostly things for classes, but good things!

I'm biased towards my academic mentor, an American who has written some very important works about the Soviet Union. Good for the non-historian, she includes a lot of personal narrative, which I enjoy, knowing her personally.

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Lenin Lives! by Nina Tumarkin

Others I have enjoyed:

American history:
My Soul Is Rested: An oral history of the early civil rights movement. Don't remember the author. The best thing on American history I've ever read.
Hard Times by Studs Terkel: Also an oral history about the Depression
Malcom X's autobiography

Russian/Soviet:
Posted already, but Russia's War by Richard Overy is my favorite book of all time. WWII,v. British, v. detailed (there's a great passage about the Soviet generals playing War Games before the battle of Stalingrad).
Lenin Lives! by Nina Turmakin
The Living and the Dead by Nina Tumarkin: about the cult of WWII in the USSR.
Journey Into The Whirlwind: I don't remember who it's by, I think her last name is Ginzberg or some variant spelling. Phenomenal account of a woman's journey through the gulag system.
Bitter Waters: Also don't remember the author (Andreev, I want to say), but it's about the Soviet economy, quite good.
Blockade Diary by Elena Kochina: diary of a woman during the seige of Leningrad during WWII. Intense primary source.
The Russians by Hendrick Smith: Written by a NYT journalist who went to the Soviet Union during the Brezhnev Era.
There are a lot of Soviet biographies I've been meaning to read, including a fairly recent one about Khrushchev. Another I've been meaning to pick up (or not, it's very thick) is something called Natasha's Dance which is a cultural history of 19th cent Russia.
It's hard to go wrong with books about the Soviet Union, especially if they're about WWII.

Europe:
The Oxford History of the British Empire is great. Peter Marshall, the editor, is the quintessential great British historian (analytical, carefully theoretical, attention to detail, etc)
Britons, Forging The Nation by Linda Colley. She's a professor at Yale who writes impassioned things about cultural chauvinism and the creation of the 'Other.' Very bold.
If you want to understand European history, read the Enlightenment philosophers. Voltaire's Treaty On Toleration or anything by Locke is good shit. I also like Montesquieu.
Homage To Catalonia by George Orwell: His memoirs from the Spanish Civil War. I bought it for a class I ended up not taking and read it anyway. If I had to reccommend any history book to anyone this would be it.
I'd also like to find a good French Revolution book. I remember reading part of one that was essentially writings by the revolutionaries, including a great one with lots of swearing (ex "Fuck, bread...").
I'd love to tackle Harlow's book about the Second British Empire but I don't see that happening any time soon.


Africa:
I haven't read many entire books on Africa yet that I would consider a good read. Mostly I've read articles and such. There are newer anthropological writings about pre-colonial Africa are myth-dispelling and amazing, but I don't think I would read them outside of class.
I haven't read it, but Africans: A History of A Continent by John Ilife is supposed to be great.
One book I have read is King Leopold's Ghost by Adam Hochschild. About the Belgian conquest of the Congo region and the first real worldwide, post-abolition human rights movement.

Ahhh there are more and more to come, I'm sure. I'm a sponge for this stuff.

Not quite history, but tying into post-colonial history/studies:
The White Man's Burden by William Easterly was the find of my summer. It's about foreign aid and why this NYU economist thinks it's not working and how we can fix it. So good.
Ben
Lenin's Tomb is a pretty good book about the Soviet Union, particularly if you're interested in reporting about personal encounters.
WesterMats
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It also re-establishes my belief in my religion, which is Chaos Theory.
I'm a huge fan of Chaos Theory. Have you read IPB Image?
theremin
QUOTE(WesterMats @ Oct 11 2006, 09:59 PM) [snapback]216940[/snapback]

QUOTE(theremin @ Oct 9 2006, 10:45 AM) [snapback]214565[/snapback]
It also re-establishes my belief in my religion, which is Chaos Theory.
I'm a huge fan of Chaos Theory. Have you read IPB Image?


Some. I don't know if I ever finished.

Are there any geek pursuits you AREN'T into?
feisty
QUOTE(Ben @ Oct 11 2006, 06:22 PM) [snapback]216859[/snapback]

Lenin's Tomb is a pretty good book about the Soviet Union, particularly if you're interested in reporting about personal encounters.


Ah! I've been meaning to read that one.
Soviet "body" politics, heh.
boobs
i only took one class in russian history when i was in college, and the teacher was pretty zzz
i'm more an american history person, i'm v. interested by the history of politics in the u.s. as well as u.s. cultural history. i'll add some books in a moment.
WesterMats
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QUOTE(WesterMats @ Oct 11 2006, 09:59 PM) [snapback]216940[/snapback]
QUOTE(theremin @ Oct 9 2006, 10:45 AM) [snapback]214565[/snapback]
It also re-establishes my belief in my religion, which is Chaos Theory.
I'm a huge fan of Chaos Theory. Have you readIPB Image?
Some. I don't know if I ever finished.

Are there any geek pursuits you AREN'T into?
Come to think of it, no. Well, whatever that inner nerd thread is about. However, I was at a professional leadership conference this past weekend and did have the thought, about other attendees as compared to me, "these were not the popular kids in high school."

Most were 15-25 years older than I and several inches higher on their chests in terms of where their pants landed, not to mention serious "trying to look younger" issues.

Seriously, though, Chaos Theory has a lot of relevance to what I do every day (Butterfly Effect, fractals, random events being more predictable than previously thought and events previously thought of as "predictable" being less so, and the "smaller version of the whole" idea).

Hey, at least I'm not still trying to sell vinyl records wink.gif, even if it is the coolest store in Northern llinois.

Anyway, "what're you sayin'?????" tongue.gif tongue.gif tongue.gif
theremin
QUOTE(WesterMats @ Oct 13 2006, 12:50 AM) [snapback]218042[/snapback]


Seriously, though, Chaos Theory has a lot of relevance to what I do every day (Butterfly Effect, fractals, random events being more predictable than previously thought and events previously thought of as "predictable" being less so, and the "smaller version of the whole" idea).

Hey, at least I'm not still trying to sell vinyl records wink.gif, even if it is the coolest store in Northern llinois.

Anyway, "what're you sayin'?????" tongue.gif tongue.gif tongue.gif


I thought you dealt with linguistics every day?

I'm only trying to sell music for another 2.5 years.

And, I guess I'm not saying anything, since I seem to follow most of the same pursuits (even if I don't have all the fancy terminology for it).

Oh yeah, and fuck Battlestar Galactica, I ain't watching that shit.
WesterMats
QUOTE(theremin @ Oct 13 2006, 02:04 AM) [snapback]218051[/snapback]
I thought you dealt with linguistics every day?
I deal with teaching and supervising counselors-in-training every day, and do research on linguistics as related to counseling, which is about five-ten hours a week.
QUOTE(theremin @ Oct 13 2006, 02:04 AM) [snapback]218051[/snapback]
I'm only trying to sell music for another 2.5 years.

And, I guess I'm not saying anything, since I seem to follow most of the same pursuits (even if I don't have all the fancy terminology for it).

Oh yeah, and fuck Battlestar Galactica, I ain't watching that shit.
Definitely screw Battlestar Galatica. Apparently there's a new version(?), but I didn't watch even when it had Ben Cartwright onboard.

Speaking of nerdiness, I was at a professional leadership conference last weekend, and it turned out to be pretty cool, and I got a lot of useful information, but I did have the thought, as I observed other conference participants who were generally 15-25 years older than I and sometimes, at best, lacking in the social awareness category while overutilizing the "Just for Men" look and hiking their pants up to their necks, "these were not the popular kids in high school."

Nevertheless, here's a photo from last year around this time, maybe a couple of weeks later; you be the judge:

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Re: Chaos Theory, it's actually really useful in understanding what happens during counseling.

And, I still have a personal vinyl collection of around a thousand lps, plus 45's, and then there's the classic 8-Tracks, and another thousand or so cassettes.
feisty
Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhh

I started reading this as research for an essay, and ended up not reading it, but it's beautifully written and I must read it when I have the time:

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From the back:
"By examining events on these remote Pacific islands, Sahlins brings out the insular nature of Western conceptions of history and demonstrates that different cultures have their own forms of historicity..."

Basically talking about British exploration of the South Pacific as a basis for historical theory. It's probably very dense but I have a soft spot for culturally sensitive history-as-anthropology.
pansleft
Ben - I hope you are reading Buk's poetry rather than his novels. May I recommend "Burning In Water/Drowning In Flame" and also "Dangling In The Tournefortia". Everything else seemed like cliched drive-in movie ideas. To me anyway.

There's a pretty compelling DVD documentary out there called "Born Into This". Raw and eye-to-eye footage of Charles Bukowski at his best and worst. Mostly best, though.

He was a contemporary of the Beats, but not quite one of them because he was darker and not as willing to smoke a joint and sing Phil Ochs songs on the lower east side.

He preferred L.A.

(drum kick) Thank you.










Good Night Everybody
Ben
I have seen Born into This and, thanks to Sask, some really cool bootlegs. Interesting dude. Hardly admirable, but emotionally raw in a focused way that gives off heat.
boobs
QUOTE(pansleft @ Oct 15 2006, 05:59 AM) [snapback]219394[/snapback]

Ben - I hope you are reading Buk's poetry rather than his novels. May I recommend "Burning In Water/Drowning In Flame" and also "Dangling In The Tournefortia". Everything else seemed like cliched drive-in movie ideas. To me anyway.

There's a pretty compelling DVD documentary out there called "Born Into This". Raw and eye-to-eye footage of Charles Bukowski at his best and worst. Mostly best, though.

He was a contemporary of the Beats, but not quite one of them because he was darker and not as willing to smoke a joint and sing Phil Ochs songs on the lower east side.

He preferred L.A.

(drum kick) Thank you.





Good Night Everybody

i'm reading 'factotum.' i'll have to try the poetry. i just finished 'hot water music'
without_opinion
staring up Herzog by Saul Bellow this week.

finally finished up Confessions of a Memory Eater by Pagan Kennedy. very interesting premise, disappointing execution. many ideas could've been elaborated and given the story much more depth --
what are the worth of our memories if we find out they have factual errors?
how does reliving a childhood experience change our perspective of the situation when we view it as an adult? are we actually able to do that -- or has our emotional conclusion from the memory prevented us from seeing any other possible explanation?
Midnite_Vulture
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NumberTenOx
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Birthday present. I savor each page. You have to read Krazy out loud. It's like reading Ulysses. The only way to get the melody is to follow the rythym.
boobs
QUOTE
SMASHED
The pulp poetry of Charles Bukowski.
by ADAM KIRSCH
Issue of 2005-03-14
Posted 2005-03-07


In the third edition of “The Norton Anthology of Modern and Contemporary Poetry,” in which poets appear in order of birth, the class of 1920 fields a strong team, including Howard Nemerov and Amy Clampitt. If you were to browse the poetry section of any large bookstore, you would probably find a book or two by each of those critically esteemed, prize-winning poets. Nowhere to be found in the canonizing Norton anthology, however, is the man who occupies the most shelf space of any American poet: Charles Bukowski. Bukowski’s books make up a burly phalanx, with their stark covers and long, lurid titles: “Love Is a Dog from Hell”; “Play the Piano Drunk Like a Percussion Instrument Until the Fingers Begin to Bleed a Bit.” They give the impression of an aloof, possibly belligerent empire in the middle of the republic of letters.

Bukowski himself, and his many, many readers, would not have it any other way. John Martin, the founder of Black Sparrow Press, who was responsible for launching Bukowski’s career, has explained that “he is not a mainstream author and he will never have a mainstream public.” This is an odd thing to say about a poet who has sold millions of books and has been translated into more than a dozen languages—a commercial success of a kind hardly known in American poetry since the pre-modernist days of popular balladeers like Edgar A. Guest. Yet the sense of not being part of the mainstream, at least as the Norton anthology and most other authorities define it, is integral to Bukowski’s appeal. He is one of those writers whom each new reader discovers with a transgressive thrill.

Fittingly, for a poet whose reputation was made in ephemeral underground journals, it is on the Internet that the Bukowski cult finds its most florid expression. There are hundreds of Web sites devoted to him, not just in America but in Germany, Spain, the Czech Republic, and Sweden, where one fan writes that, after reading him for the first time, “I felt there was a soul-mate in Mr. Bukowski.” Such claims to intimacy are standard among Bukowski’s admirers. On Amazon.com, the reader reviews of his books sound like a cross between love letters and revival-meeting testimonials: “This is the one that speaks to me to the point where each time I read certain pages, I cry”; “This book is one of the most influential books of poetry in my life”; or, most revealing of all, “I hate poetry, but I love Buk’s poems.”

Today’s fans can no longer call up Bukowski on the phone or drop in on him at home in Los Angeles, where he lived most of his life. But before his death, from leukemia, in 1994, they could and did, with a regularity that the poet found flattering, if tiresome. As he told an interviewer in 1981, “I get many letters in the mail about my writing, and they say: ‘Bukowski, you are so fucked up and you still survive. I decided not to kill myself.’ . . . So in a way I save people. . . . Not that I want to save them: I have no desire to save anybody. . . . So these are my readers, you see? They buy my books—the defeated, the demented and the damned—and I am proud of it.”

This mixture of boast and complaint exactly mirrors the coyness of Bukowski’s poetry, which is at once misanthropic and comradely, aggressively vulgar and clandestinely sensitive. The readers who love him, and believe that he would love them in return, know how to look past the bluster of poems like “splashing”:

dumb,
Jesus Christ,
some people are so dumb
you can hear them
splashing around
in their dumbness. . . .

I want to
run and hide
I want to
escape their engulfing
nullity.


Bukowski’s fans realize that “some people,” like E. E. Cummings’s “mostpeople,” or J. D. Salinger’s hated “phonies,” are never us, always them—those not perceptive enough to understand our merit, or our favorite author’s. This is a typically adolescent emotion, and it is no coincidence that all three of these writers exert a special power over teen-agers. With all three, too, there is the sense that if the misanthrope could know us as we really are he would welcome our pilgrimage; as Holden Caulfield says, “What really knocks me out is a book that, when you’re all done reading it, you wish the author that wrote it was a terrific friend of yours and you could call him up on the phone whenever you felt like it.” Similarly, Bukowski might declare his contempt for humanity, and his alarm at its constant invasions of his privacy—“I have never welcomed the ring of a / telephone,” he writes in “the telephone”—yet he titles another poem with his telephone number, “462-0614,” and issues what sounds like an open invitation:

I don’t write out of
knowledge.
when the phone rings
I too would like to hear words
that might ease
some of this.

that’s why my number’s
listed.


This sort of cri de coeur is not what first comes to mind when the name Charles Bukowski is mentioned. In the course of some fifty books, he transformed himself into a mythic roughneck, a figure out of a tall tale—brawler, gambler, companion of bums and whores, boozehound with an oceanic thirst. (This legend gained still wider exposure with the 1987 movie “Barfly,” in which a version of Bukowski is portrayed by Mickey Rourke.) In his heavily autobiographical novels and some of his poems, he gave this alter ego the transparent pseudonym Hank Chinaski—Bukowski’s full name was Henry Charles Bukowski, Jr., and he was known to friends as Hank—but since he almost always wrote in the first person, the line between Chinaski the character and Bukowski the man is blurred. This blurring is, in fact, the secret of Bukowski’s appeal: he combines the confessional poet’s promise of intimacy with the larger-than-life aplomb of a pulp-fiction hero.

Bukowski’s poems are best appreciated not as individual verbal artifacts but as ongoing installments in the tale of his true adventures, like a comic book or a movie serial. They are strongly narrative, drawing from an endless supply of anecdotes that typically involve a bar, a skid-row hotel, a horse race, a girlfriend, or any permutation thereof. Bukowski’s free verse is really a series of declarative sentences broken up into a long, narrow column, the short lines giving an impression of speed and terseness even when the language is sentimental or clichéd. The effect is as though some legendary tough guy, a cross between Philip Marlowe and Paul Bunyan, were to take the barstool next to you, buy a round, and start telling his life story:

I was the mean and
crazy white
guy,
full of humor, laughter
and gamble.
I was shacked with a
silken-legged
beauty.
I drank and fought all
night,
was the terror of the
local bars.


These lines are from “then and now,” a poem in the latest collection of Bukowski’s work, “Slouching Toward Nirvana: New Poems” (Ecco; $27.50). Death has not put a dent in Bukowski’s productivity; this is his ninth posthumous book of poems, and there are more to come. Nor has it changed his style: these “new poems” are just like the old poems, perhaps a shade more repetitive, but not immediately recognizable as second-rate work or leftovers.

An uncannily prolific afterlife was something that Bukowski counted on. As early as 1970, he wrote to his editor, “just think, someday after I’m dead and they start going for my poems and stories, you will have a hundred stories and a thousand poems on hand. you just don’t know how lucky you are, babe.” In the next quarter century, the surplus grew, thanks to Bukowski’s nearly graphomaniacal fecundity. “I usually write ten or fifteen [poems] at once,” he said, and he imagined the act of writing as a kind of entranced combat with the typewriter, as in his poem “cool black air”: “now I sit down to it and I bang it, I don’t use the light / touch, I bang it.”

Alcohol was the fuel, as it was often the subject, of these poetic explosions: “I don’t think I have written a poem when I was completely sober,” he told one interviewer. And he rejected on principle the notion of poetry as a craft, a matter of labor and revision. Against the metaphors prevailing in the New Critical atmosphere of the nineteen-fifties, when he started writing in earnest—the Well Wrought Urns and the Verbal Icons—Bukowski posed his own, entirely characteristic image for writing: “it has to come out like hot turds the morning after a good beer drunk.”

That kind of grossness is a large part of Bukowski’s appeal. His own life, as it appears in the poems, at least, is a teen-age boy’s fantasy of adulthood, in which there’s no one to make you clean up your room, or get out of bed in the morning, or stop drinking before you pass out. Yet, crucial to the myth, slobbery and drunkenness only increase Bukowski’s appeal to women:

you’re a beast, she said
your big white belly
and those hairy feet.
you never cut your nails. . . .

beast beast beast,
she kissed me,
what do you want for
breakfast?


Such poems offer the same kind of vicarious wish fulfillment that differently inclined readers might find in spy novels or gangster movies, with their parodies of unbound masculinity. (In one poem, Bukowski acknowledges this affinity, boasting: “don’t believe the gossip: / Bogie’s not dead.”) And Bukowski is best read as a very skillful genre writer. He bears the same relation to poetry as Zane Grey does to fiction, or Ayn Rand to philosophy—a highly colored, morally uncomplicated cartoon of the real thing. He has two of the supreme merits of genre writing, consistency and abundance: once you have been enticed into Bukowski’s world, you have the comfort of knowing that you won’t have to leave it anytime soon, since there will always be another book to read.

The pleasures offered by Bukowski’s work are more quickly exhausted than the questions raised by his life, and the way he transformed that life into something like art. The crucial episodes in his biography are reworked again and again in his poems and novels, so that any reader quickly learns the broad outlines of his story. In “Slouching Toward Nirvana,” for instance, the poem “clothes cost money” recounts Bukowski’s childhood memory of a classmate called Hofstetter, who would get beaten up on the way home from school every day, only to be berated by his mother: “you’ve ruined your clothes/again!/ don’t you know that clothes/ cost money?” This is nearly identical to an episode from Bukowski’s novel about his childhood, “Ham on Rye,” where the hapless boy is called David: “David! Look at your knickers and shirt! . . . Why do you do this to your clothes?”

In both versions of the story, what matters is the brutality of children and the cruel indifference of parents; and these seem to have been the major themes of Bukowski’s own childhood. Born in Germany to an Americanserviceman father and a German mother, Bukowski moved at the age of three to Los Angeles. The Depression, which shadowed his whole adolescence, affected him primarily through his father, who took out his frustrations on his wife and son. Bukowski describes terrible beatings, sadistically inflicted for minor transgressions like missing a blade of grass when he mowed the lawn. When Bukowski reached adolescence and broke out in a world-class case of acne, he saw it as a symptom of his helpless suffering: “The poisoned life had finally exploded out of me. There they were—all the withheld screams—spouting out in another form.”

This disfigurement helped to make Bukowski a surly, friendless teen-ager. But there was another element in his isolation, one that he dwells on much less often—an innate sensitivity and intelligence, which led to the first stirrings of literary ambition. This is a standard element in the biography of most poets, but it fits awkwardly with the myth of Bukowski the tough, who constantly proclaims his contempt for mere bookishness. “Shakespeare didn’t work at all for me,” he told one interviewer. “That upper-crust shit bored me. I couldn’t relate to it.” The promise of his books is that they detour around emasculated, fussy artistry—“We’re all tired of the turned subtle phrase and the riddle in the middle of the line,” he declared to another interviewer—and plunge deep into life itself.

Yet Bukowski also admitted, on other occasions, to having been a very bookish youth: “Between the ages of fifteen and twenty-four I must have read a whole library.” In his letters (four volumes of which have been published so far), he shows that he is conversant with the entire range of modern fiction and poetry. He parodies Eliot (“Bukowski’s old, Bukowski’s old / he wears the bottoms of his beercans / rolled”), drops references to Mann (in “Slouching Toward Nirvana,” there is a poem titled “disorder and early sorrow”), debates the relative merits of Turgenev and Tolstoy (he prefers the former). Most surprisingly, he admires the New Critics, whose aesthetics of complexity and impersonality he so gleefully violated. “I know that the Kenyon Review is supposed to be our enemy,” he wrote to a friend in 1961, “but the articles are, in most cases, sound, and I would almost say, poetic and vibrant.”

In fact, Bukowski started out in eager pursuit of conventional literary success. He attended Los Angeles City College, where he took a creative-writing class, and wrote furiously, as he wryly recalls in “the burning of the dream”:

and I wrote from 3 to
5 short stories a week
and they all came
back
from The New Yorker, Harper’s,
The Atlantic Monthly.


In his poverty and dedication, and, especially, in his low-rent Los Angeles milieu, the young Bukowski strongly resembles Arturo Bandini, the hero of John Fante’s minor classic “Ask the Dust”; the book, which Bukowski accidentally discovered in the stacks of the Los Angeles Central Library, made a huge impression on him. (Decades later, when Bukowski was famous and Fante forgotten, his advocacy led Black Sparrow Press to bring Fante’s work back into print.) During the war, when he was classified 4-F for psychological reasons, Bukowski travelled around the country on almost no money, working menial jobs and staying in flophouses—but always writing. He even scored a considerable success in 1946, when he was published in the literary magazine Portfolio, alongside Henry Miller and Jean-Paul Sartre.

Yet after that, so the legend goes, Bukowski gave up writing completely, and became a full-time drunk. For the next decade, he bummed his way across America, eventually washing up in Los Angeles once again; he boozed, whored, fought, spent time on factory floors and in jails. He frequently recalled one Philadelphia bar, in particular, where he would sit from 5 a.m. to 2 a.m., earning free drinks by allowing the bartender to beat him up for the entertainment of the crowd. This low-life odyssey is to Bukowski’s poetry what Melville’s South Sea journeys were to his fiction: an inexhaustible store of adventure and anecdote, and a badge of authenticity.

After being hospitalized, in 1955, with a nearly fatal illness, Bukowski returned to writing, but in a new spirit. His focus was now on poetry, instead of short stories, and he sent his work to underground journals with names like Coffin, Grist, and Ole. These, and not the glossy weeklies, were the right venues for his new work, which boasted a proletarian grittiness: “After losing a week’s pay in four hours it is very difficult to come to your room and face the typewriter and fabricate a lot of lacy bullshit.”

Once Bukowski returned to his vocation, success arrived slowly but surely. He became well known among readers of little magazines, and published a series of chapbooks and limited editions. Yet, as his reputation grew, he was still stuck working as a postal clerk, a job whose indignities he detailed in his first novel, “Post Office.” The real breakthrough in his career as a writer came in 1970, when John Martin agreed to pay him a monthly stipend of a hundred dollars in return for the right to publish his work through Black Sparrow Press. This arrangement was a gamble for both publisher and author, but it proved tremendously successful: by the time Bukowski died, his monthly payment had risen to seven thousand dollars and he had nineteen titles in print.

The deal can also be seen, however, as a sign of Bukowski’s lack of literary confidence. Instead of offering his publisher each book as he finished it, Bukowski simply sent all his work to Martin, who then selected the contents of the new volume. “He didn’t even know what I was going to put in,” Martin is quoted as saying in the 1998 biography “Charles Bukowski: Locked in the Arms of a Crazy Life,” by Howard Sounes. “He didn’t care.” It sounds less like modern publishing, with authors and editors and agents all defending their own interests, than like the quasi-feudal relationship that John Clare, the archetypal nineteenth-century “peasant poet,” had with his publishers. Clare, too, sent off all his writing to his editor—John Taylor, of Taylor & Hessey—and received a regular allowance in return, a sign of the parties’ profound imbalance in social status and worldly savvy. But, while Clare and Taylor eventually had the bitter falling-out one might expect from such an arrangement, Bukowski and Martin remained close, trusting partners to the end. Black Sparrow continued to publish Bukowski until Martin retired, in 2002; the Bukowski catalogue was then sold to Ecco, itself a formerly independent house that is now part of HarperCollins. (The ironic result is that Bukowski, the ultimate underground poet, is now published by Rupert Murdoch.)

It is not just in his business dealings that Bukowski gives the impression of insecurity—of feeling, as he once wrote to a friend, not “so much like a writer as . . . like somebody who has slipped one past.” The same sense emerges, more damagingly, in his defensive scorn for complexity and difficulty, as if these literary values were a trick played by effete professors on honest, hardworking readers. “What’s easy is good and what’s hard is a pain in the ass,” Bukowski declared to one correspondent; or, again, “Somebody once asked me what my theory of life was and I said, ‘Don’t try.’ That fits the writing too. I don’t try, I just type.”

Just typing allowed Bukowski to accomplish a great deal. He became wealthy and famous, a friend of celebrities like Sean Penn and Madonna, the subject of biographies and documentaries. In his late poems, his delight in driving a BMW and hobnobbing with Norman Mailer is so genuine that it becomes infectious. His escape from poverty and menial labor, solely through the passion and popularity of his writing, is like a fairy tale. “I laid down my guts,” as he put it, “and the gods finally answered.” In a literary sense, too, Bukowski accomplished something rare: he produced a large, completely distinctive, widely beloved body of work, something that few poets today even dream of. It is a testament to Bukowski’s genuine popularity that, at a time when most poetry books can’t be given away, his are perennially ranked among the most frequently stolen titles in bookstores.

Yet Bukowski and his work also have the pathos of missed possibilities. He occasionally took pains to align himself with a coherent literary tradition, writing about his admiration for Dostoyevsky, Hamsun, Céline, and Camus—the classics of modern alienation, the biographers of the underground man. He was especially fond of Hamsun’s “Hunger,” the story of a young writer demented by poverty and ambition. And Bukowski came much closer to this experience than almost any other American poet. There is every reason to believe that “a note upon starvation,” a poem in the new collection, was written from experience:

about the fourth day
you begin to feel almost intoxicated
panic subsides
one sleeps well:
12 to 14 hours,
and most unusual
one continues to defecate.
the vision grows more acute
everything is seen with a new clarity.


Yet the contrast with Hamsun reveals just how conventional a writer Bukowski remained. There is nothing in his work even remotely like the episode in “Hunger” where the starving hero, having encountered an old man on a park bench, starts to make up fantastic lies about his landlord: that his name is J. A. Happolati, that he has invented an electric prayer book, that he was once the Prime Minister of Persia. The old man patiently accepts all of these outrageous stories, and even asks polite questions about them, sending the narrator into a rage: “ ‘Goddamnit, man, I suppose you think I’ve been sitting here stuffing you full of lies?’ I shouted, completely out of my mind. ‘I’ll bet you never believed there was a man with the name Happolati. . . . The way you have treated me is something I am not used to, I will tell you flatly, and I won’t take it, so help me God!’ ”

The comic fury of this episode does seem to take us to the edge of insanity: Hamsun, like Dostoyevsky, shows that the most frightening symptom of madness is the immolation of self-esteem, the urge to humiliate oneself at the same time as one humiliates everyone else. And this is the risk that Bukowski never takes. Even at his most unheroic, he is the hero of his stories and poems, always demanding the reader’s covert approval. That is why he is so easy to love, especially for novice readers with little experience of the genuine challenges of poetry; and why, for more demanding readers, he remains so hard to admire.


i like this essay! its otm
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I like Julia Alvarez' books, but so far this one isn't my favorite. It's about the Francisco Balmis expedition - he went around the world vaccinating people against smallpox. That part is interesting, but Alvarez decided to make the Balmis story a "book within a book" so she has a narrator character, who is a writer with writer's block. The writer is trying to write a book but she keeps getting distracted by the Balmis story. The book would be much better without the narrator device.
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Big surprise: I'm reading Woodward's 'State of Denial'. About 80 pages in and one thing is clear--Don Rumsfeld is the world's worst boss. Hilarious anecdotes about Joint Chiefs chair Richard Myers cradling his head in his hands and muttering about what a 'son of a bitch' Rumsfeld is.
izzy
The Chalice And The Blade: Riane Eisler
feisty
Nothing new or unheard of, but I just finished Murakami's Windup Bird Chronicle.

It was a total mind fuck. He's such a clear, straighforward storyteller, but then once you put it down it's like "what the fuck just happened there?" I need more.

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I just missed out on the beats the first time thru and feel goofy reading "on the road" on my morning commute at the age of 23 so i'm trying to decide whether to pass over it, skim thru, or whatever.


on the road is timeless. i would definitely suggest reading it, although i haven't read it in 5-6 years. dharma bums is equally as good, and thats all the kerouac i've read.
velocity
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Velocity-- I'll be looking for your review on the Republican War on Science book.


Update: I just read the preface and already I'm pissed off.
wh1tep0ny
The Tender Bar: A Memoir by J.R. Moehringer - about half way through so far excellent. About a boy without a Dad who is raised by his Mom but guided by several Fatherfigures he meets at the Bar his Uncle holds the "stick" at.

just finished the new Chuck Klosterman IV - Great as always

also reading Hollywood - Bukowski for the 3rd time along with Notes of a Dirty Old Man. My 2 favorite Bukowski books
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Nothing new or unheard of, but I just finished Murakami's Windup Bird Chronicle.

It was a total mind fuck. He's such a clear, straighforward storyteller, but then once you put it down it's like "what the fuck just happened there?" I need more.

One of my favorite books. I highly recommend "Hard Boiled Wonderland at the End of the World" for a follow-up.
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I just missed out on the beats the first time thru and feel goofy reading "on the road" on my morning commute at the age of 23 so i'm trying to decide whether to pass over it, skim thru, or whatever.
on the road is timeless. i would definitely suggest reading it, although i haven't read it in 5-6 years. dharma bums is equally as good, and thats all the kerouac i've read.
Seriously, you don't have to be Kerouac to appreciate (and that sounds wrong to type, but whatever) Kerouac. Probably the best Kerouac-related thing I've experienced is his portrayal on an episode of Quantum Leap. It's all about who you are, and how reading Kerouac contributes to you understanding yourself.

P.S. "Comparisons are odious" -- The Dharma Bums.
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This guy is crazy. He spent $1200 a month for a statistical assistant and bought a radar gun for a fantasy league that doesn't even have reward money. Get a life.
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This guy is crazy. He spent $1200 a month for a statistical assistant and bought a radar gun for a fantasy league that doesn't even have reward money. Get a life.


And then wrote a book about it, which a lot of idiots bought, and he made all his money back.
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This guy is crazy. He spent $1200 a month for a statistical assistant and bought a radar gun for a fantasy league that doesn't even have reward money. Get a life.


And then wrote a book about it, which a lot of idiots bought, and he made all his money back.


ah, true - he didn't get any of my money though.
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Loved it. Better than White Teeth, even. Read it twice.

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staring up Herzog by Saul Bellow this week.


Great book. Saul's probably top five 20th century American novelist for me.

Saul's top 5, IMO:

1) Humboldt's Gift
2) Herzog
3) More Die of Heartbreak
4) Mr. Sammler's Planet
5) Ravelstein
Nick
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This is the first Chomsky I've read - no idea if it was a good place to start - was curious and grabbed this at random.

It's okay. Some interesting essays, but alot of the time he just bores me.
Merle
QUOTE(feisty @ Oct 21 2006, 04:20 AM) [snapback]224370[/snapback]

Nothing new or unheard of, but I just finished Murakami's Windup Bird Chronicle.

It was a total mind fuck. He's such a clear, straighforward storyteller, but then once you put it down it's like "what the fuck just happened there?" I need more.


That's probably because he doesn't bother to wrap it up at the end. There are so many threads that he just kind of drops and the end.

But I agree with deej - "Hardboiled Wonderland" is a good followup, and the end is a little more satisfying.
BobtheSquid
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How was it?
geoneb
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Very interesting--makes the historical storylike, not boring at all.
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How was it?


I liked it a lot, acutally. Very unlike Ellis. More like a Stephen King book (although I understand that was intentional, an homage of sorts). I don't want to say too much about the plot, but a novelist named Bret Easton Ellis is the main character. Fans of "American Psycho" may be interested in this one, if only because the novel itself, and Patrick Bateman, make up one of several key plot points.
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Just finished this very moving follow-up to Moneyball. Similar themes explored (paradigm shift in a strategic approach to offense ina major league sport), but with a truly inspiring human story at its center. Critics calling this book manipulative are hard-hearted cynics. This one's really touching. Almost makes me want to convert to Christianity and start volunteering at an Evangelical baptist school. Almost.
izzy
John Allegro: The End Of A Road


Currently reading all of the Allegro books. They are eye opening to say the least.
NumberTenOx
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Perfect fall reading.
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Another winner from T.C. Boyle. Very verbally inventive and well-drawn characters. Eminently enjoyable, just like about every one of his other novels (though World's End is still the best) Don't understand why this dude doesn't enjoy more cross-over attention along the lines of Carl Hiassen or someone like that. Such a simultaneously fun and good writer

I'll have to check that one out. I enjoyed "Drop City" quite a bit.


Ending sucks, but otherwise, yeah. it's enjoyable.

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This is pretty killer, a riff on the detective novel with a Tourettic lead. Gets into language and words and trys to unravel both.

WesterMats
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I read this review of the latest Chuck Klosterman book and I decided to pick it up:

http://blog.myspace.com/paulewagemann
That review was writte by you. How could your own review have caused you to pick up the book?
Tony
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Good stuff if a bit strident.
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Perfect fall reading.

I love Chris Ware. I saw his exhibit this summer when I was in Chicago. There was a little book of his, kind of a sketchbook, that i failed to pick up while I was there. I can't find it anywhere now.
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