atrius
Oct 16 2006, 03:49 PM
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SNW is the eagerly awaited 5th studio album from the Sacramento-based band Deftones. The album will be released on Maverick Records on October 31, 2006. The first single will be called "Hole In The Earth". The song can be heard at the Deftones' MySpace page as of August 16, 2006. The single is scheduled to hit the radio on October 16, 2006. It was recently announced (via MySpace) that anyone who places their order before the release of the album (in otherwords any order palced until October 30th) will recieve "1 of 3 special edition lithographs".
Track listing
1. "Hole In The Earth" - 4:09
2. "Rapture" - 3:25
3. "Beware" - 6:00
4. "Cherry Waves" - 5:17
5. "Mein" (featuring Serj Tankian) - 3:59
6. "U, U, D, D, L, R, L, R, A, B, Select, Start" - 4:12 [1]
7. "Xerces" - 3:42
8. "Rats! Rats! Rats!" - 4:00
9. "Pink Cellphone" (featuring Annie Hardy) - 5:04
10. "Combat" - 4:46
11. "Kimdracula" - 3:15
12. "Rivičre" - 3:44
Confirmed collaborations on the record include Annie Hardy from Giant Drag on the song "Pink Cell Phone" and Serj Tankian from System of A Down on a song called "Mein". Rey Osburn of Tinfed fame and Dr. Know of Bad Brains contributed to songs early on in the recording process but it is unknown if they made the cut.
Length 51:33
Label Maverick Records
Producer(s) Shaun Lopez
Bob Ezrin
Deftones
So, the album has officialy fished (as far as Wikipedia entries can be official), and even though I'm not a big Deftones fan, and couldn't really like their previous albums, I do think this album is quite good.
As any other indie fan who casually ran into Deftones, I liked some of their songs (Minerva stands out), but couldn't listen to their albums as a whole. However, SNW seems to be one of the better LPs I've heard recently.
In relation to previous albums by Deftones, SNW is more shoe-gazey, got stronger melodies, and is less "heavy". In some moments it really reminded me of Hum. Tracks 1 to 7 are all very good, while "Rapture" and "Mein", together with the first single, really stand out. I immediately liked everything I heard, and I got the impression the album is very accessible.
There's a minor drop in quality near the end of the album - "Rats! Rats! Rats!" (too intense, less melodious) and "Pink Cellphone" (utterly strange) don't even grow on me, and thats after the sixth listen or so.
Overall, it has that Deftones sound, but its also quite different. I'm curious what the fans, and "White Pony" fans in particular, will think of this album. After all, the reason I like it that much might be the same one that will turn other people off.
Vivian Darkbloom
Oct 16 2006, 04:14 PM
Wh1te Pony to thread...
Curious about this. The "shoegaze" comment is interesting. Chino always cites MBV and Cocteau Twins as an "influence," but their cover of "Wax and Wane" seems really phoned in to me.
Anyone else heard the leak?
solace
Oct 16 2006, 05:08 PM
fuck no it doesn't.
it's way better than the last piece of trash, but i don't think it compares to the first 3 really.
Inzane
Oct 16 2006, 07:33 PM
Never been that much of a Deftones fan, but this album is truly shite.
السلام عليكم و رحمة الله و ب
Oct 16 2006, 10:16 PM
"Rapture" is a great track, and "Hole in the Earth" is awful. That's all I've heard so far; I guess it merits a listen.
wh1tep0ny
Oct 17 2006, 03:30 AM
It is no White Pony that is for sure
every band has to have their "masterpiece" and Wh1te P0ny I'm sure will be theirs until they cease to exist
as one of the biggest Deftones fans in the world (been watching them since 93 back in Sacto at the Cattle Club) I must admit their fourth album Deftones took me a while to get into I was hoping for a whitepony repeat
since then I've grown to love it
after just a few spins of SNW I'm already digging most of it (Cherry Waves, Xerxes, Mein, Combat, Rapture, Beware and Pink Cellphone) the rest will surely follow.
as far as shoe-gazey it's been noted many times by Chino without the Cure or the Smiths he would of never been a singer
the Deftones are at their best when they find the perfect balance between Chinos' tastes (smiths, Cure, MBV) and Stephens ( Mastadon, Slayer, Meshuggah )
I also think Hole in the Earth is a grower but still sorta weak
Maverick is horrible at picking singles where Deftones are concerned
in fact I think Deftones succede inspite of Mavericks horrible execution
atrius
Oct 17 2006, 01:29 PM
QUOTE(wh1tep0ny @ Oct 17 2006, 10:30 AM) [snapback]220874[/snapback]
the Deftones are at their best when they find the perfect balance between Chinos' tastes (smiths, Cure, MBV) and Stephens ( Mastadon, Slayer, Meshuggah )
thats quite spot on.. to me it seems like SNW leans more towards Chinos' taste, which might explain why I like the album that much, even though it's not "Deftones at their best", to your definition.
Vivian Darkbloom
Oct 17 2006, 01:31 PM
BTW- what the fuck is a "Saturday Night Wrist?"
Their lyrics are always pretentious and awful, but WTF? Sounds like a little Sacramento self-loving.
wh1tep0ny
Oct 17 2006, 01:42 PM
QUOTE(Vivian Darkbloom @ Oct 17 2006, 01:31 PM) [snapback]221146[/snapback]
Their lyrics are always pretentious and awful, but WTF? Sounds like a little Sacramento self-loving.
what's wrong with that??
I mean does anyone love Wilco or Smashing Pumpkins more then Chicago Natives?
It's only natural to take pride in an act from your hometown, however when I began my hero-worship of Deftones I was 1 of maybe 30 loyal fans. I never dreamed they would be on a National scale though I believed they deserved to be from the first abrasive chord and tortured shriek
and to me most lyrics can be found pretensious when one isn't a fan of the chosen band and brilliant when one is
I mean Karma Police what the fuck is that if not pretentious?? but I fucking love it
same goes for Neutral Milk Hotel, most of Tom Waits, REM, The Smiths and many other great bands
castaņa
Oct 17 2006, 02:36 PM
I really liked 'Hole in the earth', a lot.
I'm really sorry.
It's a pity Chino sings so terrible alive.
I'm really sorry.
Vivian Darkbloom
Oct 17 2006, 03:13 PM
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QUOTE(Vivian Darkbloom @ Oct 17 2006, 01:31 PM) [snapback]221146[/snapback]
Their lyrics are always pretentious and awful, but WTF? Sounds like a little Sacramento self-loving.
what's wrong with that??
I mean does anyone love Wilco or Smashing Pumpkins more then Chicago Natives?
It's only natural to take pride in an act from your hometown, however when I began my hero-worship of Deftones I was 1 of maybe 30 loyal fans. I never dreamed they would be on a National scale though I believed they deserved to be from the first abrasive chord and tortured shriek
and to me most lyrics can be found pretensious when one isn't a fan of the chosen band and brilliant when one is
I mean Karma Police what the fuck is that if not pretentious?? but I fucking love it
same goes for Neutral Milk Hotel, most of Tom Waits, REM, The Smiths and many other great bands
My initial post was a not-so-successful joke on how "Saturday Night Wrist" is suggestive of masturbation, not a diss on Sacto as a City (I have a number of clients up there and have nothing but love for the town and it's people).
And I'm all for heady, weird lyrics- it's just that Chino's read like High School Junior Year emo scribblings.
Saskadelphia
Oct 28 2006, 05:20 AM
I'm enjoying about two thirds of this album, mostly when Chino's vocal melodies sound stronger than just a bunch of trite whining. There's some strong stuff, but after "Pink Cellphone", which is a complete waste of time, the album seems to peter out.
velocity
Oct 28 2006, 11:41 AM
On first listen I liked it better than I did White Pony, which bored me initially but I ended up loving. We'll see if this one grows on me.
wh1tep0ny
Oct 28 2006, 11:45 AM
QUOTE(Saskadelphia @ Oct 28 2006, 05:20 AM) [snapback]230048[/snapback]
I'm enjoying about two thirds of this album, mostly when Chino's vocal melodies sound stronger than just a bunch of trite whining. There's some strong stuff, but after "Pink Cellphone", which is a complete waste of time, the album seems to peter out.
that's where I was at first (not sure how many times you've heard the album)
I agree Pink Cellphone is a joke track that should of never made the album- joke songs are for b-sides only imo
but I think 2 of the better songs come at the end Reverie and especially Kimdracula
Kimdracula has vocal effects and moods that remind me of Queensryche "Screaming in Digital"
vocal effects not ability - even as a Deftones fan I realize how limited chino is vocally
I'd love to know what 2/3rds your digging
I like all the tracks minus Pink Cellphone and the instrumental piece (I've always disliked intrumental rock music)
r.i.p.
Oct 28 2006, 01:15 PM
haven't heard the album, but the cover seems like an obvious attempt at "Around the Fur II".
castaņa
Oct 28 2006, 01:25 PM
QUOTE(brent_D @ Oct 28 2006, 08:15 PM) [snapback]230222[/snapback]
haven't heard the album, but the cover seems like an obvious attempt at "Around the Fur II".
But this one is much better.
Saskadelphia
Oct 31 2006, 11:40 PM
Okay, after letting this CD sink in, I think this is one strong album, I just might like it more than White Pony. The band can still push those ATF/WP buttons (whitepony's right, "Kimdracula" is excellent), but it's Chino's increasingly strong vocal melodies that make it so good. The first five tracks, especially. It does what the band obviously wanted to accomplish with the 2003 album, but the new disc is much more well-rounded. I still hate "Pink Cellphone", it's a complete toss-off, and is an unnecessary interruption. Other than that, I like it a ton.
The Good Dr Bill
Nov 1 2006, 01:19 AM
someone let me know if there are any songs on this to rank with "Change" or "Be Quiet and Drive"
wh1tep0ny
Nov 1 2006, 05:14 AM
Cherry Waves dude
seriously it might become my favorite Deftones song
Dr Bill what about Passenger?? most of my friends that dont like Deftones love BQAD and Passenger
top 5 deftones tracks for me
Lotion
Passenger
Cherry Waves ( but climbing)
Digital Bath
Teething
Saskadelphia
Nov 1 2006, 05:18 AM
Cherry Waves, Hole in the Earth, Beware, Kimdracula are all terrific. I'm more taken by this album than I ever expected to be.
wh1tep0ny
Nov 1 2006, 01:09 PM
I hope this means you'll be reviewing it
and I hope your review reflects your current opinion of SNW then your initial reaction
I'm curious how many listens or how long do you spend with an album before reviewing it?
back when I had my own mag and was reviewing about 5 albums a week I tried to give each atleast 5 spins which wasn't easy when your faced with records by Ghandaravas and Simon Says etc
Saskadelphia
Nov 1 2006, 01:26 PM
QUOTE(wh1tep0ny @ Nov 1 2006, 12:09 PM) [snapback]233269[/snapback]
I hope this means you'll be reviewing it
and I hope your review reflects your current opinion of SNW then your initial reaction
Yeah, I put something together last night. Don't worry, it's a positive piece.
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I'm curious how many listens or how long do you spend with an album before reviewing it?
back when I had my own mag and was reviewing about 5 albums a week I tried to give each atleast 5 spins which wasn't easy when your faced with records by Ghandaravas and Simon Says etc
It depends, sometimes you know right away, but others, like the Deftones, need plenty of time to settle in. I don't think Chino's sounded better than he does on this cd, the vocal melodies are very strong.
Vivian Darkbloom
Nov 1 2006, 01:28 PM
Album's a "grower," sounds like. Maybe I'll give it a chance.
I hope I don't hate it right out the gate. I have such a hard time summoning the patience to let alleged growers grow when I can't stand them to start with.
The Good Dr Bill
Nov 1 2006, 02:11 PM
yeah, I like "The Passenger" too. Those and "My Own Summer" might be the only Deftones songs I've heard though. I'll check some of these out.
Saskadelphia
Nov 1 2006, 02:34 PM
The older songs I find myself gravitating toward the most are "Passenger", "Feiteceria", and "RX Queen".
Vivian Darkbloom
Nov 1 2006, 02:43 PM
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The older songs I find myself gravitating toward the most are "Passenger", "Feiteceria", and "RX Queen".
"Feiteceria' is money. So is "Elite." I actually really dug "Hexagram" and "Minerva" as well, though I know some people hated that song and the whole album.
wh1tep0ny
Nov 1 2006, 03:34 PM
it's taken me the 3 years almost to Embrace their last one Deftones-Deftones
it wasn't so much a grower as I had to come to terms with the fact that they probably would never top White Pony
and while I say 3 years it's not like I listened to it every day and forced it
I would simply select a track and put em on various mix cds
through this I was able to find things in each track I liked save 1 or 2
in a perfect world their catalogue would look like this
adrenaline
s/t
around the fur
SNW
White Pony
still not a bad 5 album stretch
The Good Dr Bill
Nov 2 2006, 11:44 PM
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Cherry Waves
fantastic
velocity
Nov 3 2006, 12:08 AM
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QUOTE(brent_D @ Oct 28 2006, 08:15 PM) [snapback]230222[/snapback]
haven't heard the album, but the cover seems like an obvious attempt at "Around the Fur II".
But this one is much better.
There is, and will never be, a better deftones album than
ATF.QUOTE(Vivian Darkbloom @ Nov 1 2006, 10:28 AM) [snapback]233299[/snapback]
Album's a "grower," sounds like. Maybe I'll give it a chance.
I hope I don't hate it right out the gate. I have such a hard time summoning the patience to let alleged growers grow when I can't stand them to start with.
Same here. It's good though, on first listen.
Vivian Darkbloom
Nov 3 2006, 11:04 AM
QUOTE(solace @ Oct 16 2006, 02:08 PM) [snapback]220446[/snapback]
it's way better than the last piece of trash, but i don't think it compares to the first 3 really.
QUOTE(wh1tep0ny @ Nov 1 2006, 12:34 PM) [snapback]233477[/snapback]
it's taken me the 3 years almost to Embrace their last one Deftones-Deftones
it wasn't so much a grower as I had to come to terms with the fact that they probably would never top White Pony
and while I say 3 years it's not like I listened to it every day and forced it
I still haven't picked it up (though I plan to get it down in Hollywood tonight, go over to my sister's with the big speakers, open a nice bottle of Grenache, and get caught up). But one thing all of this Deftones talk over the past week has done for me has been to make me definitively revisit and evaluate the self-titled record. I've always been a little confused by the disappointment in this release- always kind of liked it myself, and now I'm a full-blown apologist. I definitely disagree that it's "a piece of trash,"
pace Solace. s/t is actually a pretty good record, and not as much as a "regression" as everyone bitterly complained. I like the direction that album moves, into gauzy shoegazer but re-asserting ATF-era heaviness. The best tracks (and on this record, I actually thought "Maverick" was a good all for a first single- what a HUGE sounding song). I like some of other the tracks too, notably "When Girls Telephone Boys" and "Hexagram." Record does trail off a bit, but not so much as to lose me completely.
QUOTE(velocity @ Nov 2 2006, 09:08 PM) [snapback]234540[/snapback]
There is, and will never be, a better deftones album than ATF.
The grammar policeman in me wonders which one it's gonna be, V.
Eskimo Kisses
Nov 3 2006, 11:11 AM
Album started to go downhill after the first three songs for me, maybe I shouldn't have deleted it as quickly as I did if it's a grower, though.
wh1tep0ny
Nov 3 2006, 03:36 PM
cool got Dr Bill on board with Cherry Waves
after that I'd suggest
Kimdracula and Mein
I'm actually glad my favorite band has growers
hell the first time I listened to wh1tep0ny I was a lil caught off guard after ATF but after spinning it all day I realized I didn't want to go to sleep and I certainly didn't want to go to work and be away from it for 9 hrs
so I called in sick to listen to Wh1te P0ny and clean house
instant gratification is what fills the used bins
velocity
Nov 3 2006, 05:28 PM
QUOTE(The Good Dr Bill @ Nov 1 2006, 11:11 AM) [snapback]233361[/snapback]
yeah, I like "The Passenger" too. Those and "My Own Summer" might be the only Deftones songs I've heard though. I'll check some of these out.
Seems like I uploaded the whole cd
(Around the Fur) for you?
QUOTE(Vivian Darkbloom @ Nov 3 2006, 08:04 AM) [snapback]234759[/snapback]
QUOTE(velocity @ Nov 2 2006, 09:08 PM) [snapback]234540[/snapback]
There is NOT, and will never be, a better deftones album than ATF.
The grammar policeman in me wonders which one it's gonna be, V.
D'oh! Fixed
The Good Dr Bill
Nov 3 2006, 05:31 PM
QUOTE(velocity @ Nov 3 2006, 05:28 PM) [snapback]235141[/snapback]
QUOTE(The Good Dr Bill @ Nov 1 2006, 11:11 AM) [snapback]233361[/snapback]
yeah, I like "The Passenger" too. Those and "My Own Summer" might be the only Deftones songs I've heard though. I'll check some of these out.
Seems like I uploaded the whole cd
(Around the Fur) for you?
is this a statement or a question? I don't understand. In any event, I don't think you ever did this.
Listening to
White Pony now for first time.
wh1tep0ny
Nov 3 2006, 05:33 PM
QUOTE(The Good Dr Bill @ Nov 3 2006, 05:31 PM) [snapback]235145[/snapback]
is this a statement or a question? I don't understand. In any event, I don't think you ever did this.
Listening to White Pony now for first time.
prepare to have your mind blown
Vivian Darkbloom
Nov 3 2006, 05:38 PM
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QUOTE(The Good Dr Bill @ Nov 3 2006, 05:31 PM) [snapback]235145[/snapback]
is this a statement or a question? I don't understand. In any event, I don't think you ever did this.
Listening to White Pony now for first time.
prepare to have your mind blown
Man, I envy you. How cool would it be to be able to hear this record again for the first time? Savor it, Bill.
Don't bother coming back in here if you don't appreciate its genius for what it is.
The Good Dr Bill
Nov 3 2006, 06:12 PM
good album
Vivian Darkbloom
Nov 3 2006, 07:11 PM
"...it's hella sensitive"
tazer floyd
Nov 3 2006, 11:18 PM
I would definitely compre the new one to White Pony over the last, s/t album. I never could get into the last one, but this, I'm really digging. I even like "Hole in the Earth" which some people here don't like, I believe...
My big problem, along with a lot of people, is "Pink Cellphone". I can get into this song, right up until it delves into the SCAT-stuff. This just never seemed to fit into any Deftones mindset... so it seems totally out-of-place here. It's still a decent song, but it's throwaway bullshit, ultimately.
And. this album has their best cover since White Pony...
Saskadelphia
Nov 3 2006, 11:48 PM
QUOTE(tazer floyd @ Nov 3 2006, 10:18 PM) [snapback]235313[/snapback]
My big problem, along with a lot of people, is "Pink Cellphone". I can get into this song, right up until it delves into the SCAT-stuff. This just never seemed to fit into any Deftones mindset... so it seems totally out-of-place here. It's still a decent song, but it's throwaway bullshit, ultimately.
That it is. Completely pointless. My rating would have been an 8 instead of a 7 had that track not been on there.
velocity
Nov 3 2006, 11:56 PM
QUOTE(The Good Dr Bill @ Nov 3 2006, 02:31 PM) [snapback]235145[/snapback]
QUOTE(velocity @ Nov 3 2006, 05:28 PM) [snapback]235141[/snapback]
QUOTE(The Good Dr Bill @ Nov 1 2006, 11:11 AM) [snapback]233361[/snapback]
yeah, I like "The Passenger" too. Those and "My Own Summer" might be the only Deftones songs I've heard though. I'll check some of these out.
Seems like I uploaded the whole cd
(Around the Fur) for you?
is this a statement or a question? I don't understand. In any event, I don't think you ever did this.
It's both a statement and a question
. Could've sworn it was after the '85-94 poll, or during the '95-'04 suggestion phase and you listed some albums you wanted to hear. Lemme see if I still have the zip file....
The Good Dr Bill
Nov 4 2006, 12:20 AM
yeah, I'd still be intersted ("My Own Summer" and "Be Quiet and Drive" are two of my favorite rock songs of the last ten years, easy)
helmet52
Nov 4 2006, 12:53 AM
Wow. A Deftones page that has gone on for 3 pages. Who would have thunk it? Regardless of the genre they've always been lumped into, I've always treasured this band. Chino's alt-rock sensibility has always kept them from sounding like one of those garbage nu-metal turds. White Pony and Around the Fur are wonderful records, and god damn do I love Abe Cunningham's percussion chops. He's horribly underrated.
Nice to see a mostly indie board give this band some nice respect.
The Good Dr Bill
Nov 4 2006, 01:01 AM
there are lots of good nu-metal songs
helmet52
Nov 4 2006, 01:05 AM
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there are lots of good nu-metal songs
Grudgingly agree, but there are NOT lots of good nu-metal bands.
The Good Dr Bill
Nov 4 2006, 01:13 AM
arguable, but fair enough
السلام عليكم و رحمة الله و ب
Nov 4 2006, 02:20 AM
the verses of "Be Quiet and Drive" have always reminded me of My Bloody Valentine, but maybe I'm fucked up. They bring just enough of the shoegaze element into their music to make it worth listening to.
The Good Dr Bill
Nov 4 2006, 02:24 AM
The Deftones make me wonder why more metal bands don't care about sounding pretty or atmospheric. Seems like it makes for a good mix.
السلام عليكم و رحمة الله و ب
Nov 4 2006, 02:25 AM
because then you wouldn't be able to really feel their pain
hey have you heard that Team Sleep album by the way? A lot of the tracks are just what the Deftones would be if you took the metal out of the equation.
The Good Dr Bill
Nov 4 2006, 02:28 AM
no, although I'm not sure how appealing a description that is. The Deftones' prettiness only really works because there's always that sinister edge lurking behind it ready to bust out at any moment, without that I'm not really sure how much is left.
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