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Angrimorfee
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Hilarious!


Ditto that. Made my wife want to read Tristam Shandy...I told her to not bother. biggrin.gif
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uh. Is this a porno or a metal combo/show or both? unsure.gif

It's a metal zine hosted and created by her. The only nudity is when she does a surreal rant about how censorship sucks and how George Bush sucks while in a bubblebath. It's cool that she likes the heavy music so much, but egads, this is amateurish.

I don't know why so many people think Jasmin St. Claire is so good-looking. Coupled with that gang bang thing she did, the ick factor is way high with this lady. unsure.gif


Well she is married now (er, last I heard/saw) and it was a few years ago where the guys in 'American Movie' had their own web-based show and they had her on and she said she'd be willing to star in his first feature. The conversation was based around the idea that she'd be willing to do it as long as her schedule was open and it was kinda funny how he noted they were really excited to have her in the film and that if she couldn't. Well, then they'd get someone else.
It was pretty funny but you'd have to see it yourself.

Damn, I hoped the links were still out there but I think they must have pulled it. Oh well.
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mr and mrs smith

OK so I saw this last night and I'm still scratching my head about whether I'd describe this as good, bad or just kinda well I dunno..ridiculous?

It's one thing to suggest that a couple have a relationship where they're both assassins. It's another to suggest that they both co-exist in this world together without noticing what each other do/have or say without someone having a clue about what's going on.

An easy part (or lack of actual making/benefiting from) would be the scenes with the neighbors. It's one thing to notice your neighbors behavior. It's another to not react or act differently towards it. I suppose on some really mindless level this is supposed to be lighthearted but the disconnect from who they work for. what they do or who they really are is so convoluted I just expected these two to both get killed by Vince Vaughn so the guy would move out of his parents house or some shit like that... and the therapy sessions!?! Hell with it. I'm sure Hitchcock is rolling over in his grave. rolleyes.gif
without_opinion
caught the recent Charlie & the Chocolate Factory yesterday. that was a visual feast. i knew it was much darker and Johnny played a...weird WW, so i wasn't too disappointed. the oompa loompa songs were f'ed up. pretty enjoyable though.
Seemed like the names of the 2 should've been switched. The 2005 one focused much more of the story on Willy and the '71 was definitely more about Charlie. That Freddie Highmore kid was forgettable.

Pavement Ist Rad
The Big Lebowski was just on TV so I watched it because it's a good movie.
partyboatmelvin
I just watched The Night Listener. I liked it well enough, but it never transcended the level of a pretty good Twilight Zone episode. Robin Williams is good--and I still have a double-secret crush on Toni Collette--but at 91 minutes it was hardly worth the price of admission.
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Finally unpacking all my DVDs this week made me take another look at some I haven't watched in a while.

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Ben
The angle about Wonka's father in the remake suuuuuuuuuuuuuucks.
tjenz
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V For Vendetta

Wow! Timely story. Well acted. Well made.
Watch this movie!
NumberTenOx
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The angle about Wonka's father in the remake suuuuuuuuuuuuuucks.

Matches the rest of the fiiiiiillllmmmmm...
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war of the worlds

It's not bad but its not great either. Moreover, its Spielberg revisiting many of his previous works to create the imagery for this story.
Slackmo
QUOTE(Ben @ Aug 14 2006, 02:13 AM) [snapback]163517[/snapback]

The angle about Wonka's father in the remake suuuuuuuuuuuuuucks.


It's the recurring motif of all of Burton's work. I wish he'd just get some therapy and work it out for fuck's sake.
Angrimorfee
They claim on the DVD that it provided the "dramatic arc" that the story otherwise wouldn't have, based on the original book's plotting. Same reason why they included the Slugworth test/fizzy lifting drinks in the original movie. Frankly, I don't think either movie needed those plotlines.
john the cool kid
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surprisingly awesome. really funny and stuff.
derry_dukes
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Freddie Freelance
QUOTE(held @ Aug 14 2006, 08:30 AM) [snapback]163647[/snapback]

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war of the worlds

It's not bad but its not great either. Moreover, its Spielberg revisiting many of his previous works to create the imagery for this story.

The best thing is watching Bayonne, NJ, get ripped to shit.
Undercooked Sausage
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watched season one.

It was pretty good. The only part that had me laughing uncontrollably was the Pit Pat commercial thing. "No shit!"

Will rent out the next seasons later!

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Man, some of the dialogue was great, but only some of it. glimmering pieces of brilliance but not as good as I was hoping it'd be. I liked it though.

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Fuck yeah.
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How is this?
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V For Vendetta

Wow! Timely story. Well acted. Well made.
Watch this movie!

fuck yeah...finally sat down with this last night and was suprised how good this was. The V is a bad mutha........


"Are you here to kill me"




"yessssssss"
tjenz
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Inside Man

Spike Lee, Denzel Washington, Jodie Foster, Clive Owen & Willam Dafoe team up to bring you a completely average movie.
There were shots that were so bad I just rolled my eyes.
Dafoe. wasted in this movie. They could have got anyone for that role.
The score was distractingly bad.

Maybe average was too kind. Thumbs down.
Ben
Inside Man, bad movie. Don't listen to Tony.
V for Vendetta, dispicable movie. Listen to Denby.
Selections:
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Pop cannibalizes and regurgitates everything, including history, and in normal circumstances only a literal-minded prig would treat graphic novelists or big-screen fantasists as if they had any responsibility to truth. But events overtook this pop apocalypse on the way to the malls. Scheduled for release last November, “Vendetta” was temporarily shelved, according to its distributor, Warner Bros., “to accommodate the film’s post-production schedule.” The delay, however, was announced in August, a month after Islamist terrorists bombed the London subway and buses. The filmmakers, whatever their intentions, hit reality with an embarrassing thud. At this point, a few simple questions need to be asked of them, such as, What in the world are you doing? It may be relevant to point out, for instance, that Guy Fawkes, who is at the emotional center of the movie as well as of the graphic novel, was no liberator but a Catholic dissident who, in 1605, wanted to destroy the Protestant aristocracy by blowing up the House of Lords and killing King James I. Captured beneath Parliament with thirty-six barrels of gunpowder, Fawkes was tortured and hanged, and, ever since, on November 5th (the anniversary of the Gunpowder Plot), he has been burned in effigy all over England in celebrations both merry and ironic. If Guy Fawkes has become a sympathetic figure, it’s his failure—his incompetence as a mass murderer—that has made him so.
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“Vendetta” was not so much imitated as pillaged: the puritanical tone of the English dictatorship, the omnipresent surveillance, the Big Brother figure screaming at everyone—all this has been lifted from George Orwell’s “1984,” with no more than a token attempt at disguise. Orwell was drawing on his experience of England during the Second World War, when every human being and teacup from Kent to Northumberland was mobilized to resist a German invasion. In “1984,” he projected the bleakly austere wartime atmosphere into the future and filled it out with details from totalitarian rule in Germany and the Soviet Union. However much he invented as he created his dystopia, he was also relying on actual events and situations. What is the actuality behind “Vendetta”? The last time I looked, London seemed more like a prosperous pleasure garden than like the capital of a jackbooted, dehumanized future.

The Wachowskis clearly wanted to weigh in on current politics, so they threw in references to the Bush Administration’s political use of Christianity. There’s also talk of “rendition,” and the secret police repeatedly throw black hoods over people’s heads, Abu Ghraib style. The society we see onscreen, its civil order crushed by fear, is meant to be a nightmare vision of our own society. V may begin his rampage in search of personal vengeance, but in the end he attacks the entire system, and, as the movie tells it, the system deserves to be attacked. It turns out that the government once released a deadly plague on the British citizenry in order to pose as its savior. But this kind of comic-book paranoia doesn’t seem as playful or innocent as it used to.
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It’s true that one man’s terrorist is another man’s freedom fighter, but, by sticking to the blowing-up-Parliament template, the Wachowskis have stumbled into celebrating an attack against an icon of liberal democracy. No one’s questioning the filmmakers’ right to do any damn fool thing they want, but “Vendetta” doesn’t parse. Who might it appeal to? “Matrix” lovers, certainly. And the movie’s sullen, chain-clanking atmosphere connects with punk, Goth, grunge, and all the doomy tones of white teen rock for the past three decades. For aging kids stoned on pop rapture, it could be a trip. And for people driven mad by the ineptitude and folly of the Bush Administration this film may seem like a brazen romp. Only the West could have made a movie in which blowing up civic temples is a “provocative” media statement.

The country “doesn’t need a building,” V says. “It needs an idea.” Yes, but “Vendetta” doesn’t have any ideas, except for a misbegotten belief in cleansing acts of violence. How strangely doth pop make its murderous way, as V might say. The quarter-century-old disgruntled fantasies of two English comic-book artists, amplified by a powerful movie company, and ambushed by history, wind up yielding a disastrous muddle.
NumberTenOx
Ben, don't pull Tony Baloney on us. It'd be better if you said it, rather than cribbing tongue.gif
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QUOTE(NumberTenOx @ Aug 15 2006, 08:41 AM) [snapback]164575[/snapback]

Ben, don't pull Tony Baloney on us. It'd be better if you said it, rather than cribbing tongue.gif


All I know is it's a varied take on the same book that 'Quick Change' was based on and I think that pretty much gives away much of the plot so why it is they're playing this off as some thriller. I don't know but isn't this also the biggest box offfice Spike has ever gotten? Admittedly I'm looking forward to his New Orleans Doc that'll be on HBO.
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QUOTE(NumberTenOx @ Aug 15 2006, 08:41 AM) [snapback]164575[/snapback]

Ben, don't pull Tony Baloney on us. It'd be better if you said it, rather than cribbing tongue.gif


All I know is it's a varied take on the same book that 'Quick Change' was based on and I think that pretty much gives away much of the plot so why it is they're playing this off as some thriller. I don't know but isn't this also the biggest box offfice Spike has ever gotten? Admittedly I'm looking forward to his New Orleans Doc that'll be on HBO.


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Ben, don't pull Tony Baloney on us. It'd be better if you said it, rather than cribbing tongue.gif


All I know is it's a varied take on the same book that 'Quick Change' was based on and I think that pretty much gives away much of the plot so why it is they're playing this off as some thriller. I don't know but isn't this also the biggest box offfice Spike has ever gotten? Admittedly I'm looking forward to his New Orleans Doc that'll be on HBO.


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oops. I meant this one.
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Inside Man, bad movie. Don't listen to Tony.


Don't know about Vendetta. Haven't seen that yet.
Tony
I watched Inside Man again the other day and it's a superior genre film. would you prefer the latest Tony Scott storytelling impaired sensation/color filter fest.

IM wasn't perfect but a legitamate throwback to a narrative filmmaking that seems to have vanished from the Hollywood mainstream.

And if anyone is qualified to pull a Tony it's me...



Inside Man (Spike Lee) - Michael Siciniski

Inside Man is sharp, slyly hilarious, directed with an almost ruthless efficiency, and manages to smuggle in some pointed commentary on racism in the U.S. So why am I having such a hard time coping with the fact that I loved it? As many other reviewers have already noted, it's possible to consider this Lee's least personal film. (Some have even gone so far as to call its "jointness" into question. Yikes.) This is accurate up to a certain point, but who else but Lee would take such obvious pleasure in (for example) decking Denzel Washington out in a ridiculous white linen suit, or implementing an ambiguous flash-forward structure that at first blush serves to make his quick-witted black cops (Washington and Chiwetel Ejiofor) look like smarmy, trash-talking assholes? (It's no wonder Lee took a liking to a script like this, with its family resemblance to certain aspects of Clockers.) And of course, there's the ever-present "people-mover" shot, utterly unmotivated and as delightful as one of your uncle's corny, inappropriate old jokes. Even the resolutely Spike Lee touches that other commentators are (as usual) finding "obtrusive" work in this context. At first I wasn't convinced by Matthew Libatique's jittery cinematography, but it actually operates in a lock-groove with Terrence Blanchard's score. The overall style functions as a kind of bridge between contemporary TV police procedurals and the films and TV of the 1970s, especially the Sidney Lumet canon. The step-printing, the changing film stocks, all of these cheap tricks of the "C.S.I." empire, actually coalesce into something defiantly old fashioned. Lee's attention to the specific spatial parameters of New York City street life certainly helps. As Libatique's camera skitters across the crime scene, Blanchard's blaring horns recall the theme from "Kojak." It's a trip, and Lee never misses a beat, taking his cues from a deft, wise-ass script by tyro scribe [I've always wanted to use that silly phrase] Russell Gewirtz, previously of, um, the TV show "Blind Justice." (Apparently Gewirtz lost his sight, but not his vision. . . .) So Inside Man is an expertly crafted if frivolous entertainment, the best of its kind I've seen in quite some time. So why am I experiencing inner turmoil? It's not just that I'm not sure this is the kind of production I think Spike Lee ought to be spending his time on. I mean, why not? Sure, I prefer the anger and intelligence of Bamboozled, but this sort of mainstream effort is worthwhile, too. No, mainly it's that I don't want to seem like yet another dumbass critic implicitly trumpeting the amazing power of genre to rein in idiosyncratic directors. (This is one critical commonplace that unites broad segments among the auteurists and the Kaelites, two usually-diametrical camps.) This problem takes on particular weight with respect to Spike Lee. How many smug honky critics have endlessly bemoaned Spike Lee's "undisciplined," "in your face" directorial style? Inside Man certainly harnesses his prodigious talents for unique and satisfying ends, but I am in no way joining that chorus of cultural gatekeepers so anxious to see Lee "tone it down" for mass consumption.
NumberTenOx
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Ben
Tony, we already played this game. I won't post it again, but the Anthony Lane review is all this movie deserves.

The biggest problem with the schmuck you quote is that he says things that are patently untrue. Repeatedly. In the first sentence. In the words of Bill Hicks, this isn't a matter of taste. This isn't an opinion. I can prove it with a home computer. The movie is not sharp, nor sly, nor efficient. It's disjointed and boring. The ending is maybe the most deflated, pathetic excuse for a climax in the history of the heist genre. Good god what a snooze. And that Jody Foster character is as laaaaaaame as anything all year. If it wasn't for Denzel's electric presence, it would collapse entirely. It's a nothing. But apparently I'm supposed to forgive all that because Denzel in a white suit is so ridiculous! Cheese ball camera tricks, flat cliched characters and other bad things about the movie just prove how cool it is. What? Your critic is terrible. How many parenthetical asides can I be expected to bear? And what's up with net people and their fixations with setting up other critics as some vague abstract foil for themselves. Half that review is made up of limp parries at "other critics." The other half is superfluous punctuation.
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How is this?

This is the 4th time I've watched Serial Experiments: Lain, and I still think it's pretty great. It's a modern-day cyberpunk-influenced fantasy that's more about ideas and tone than plot. Fans can't even agree on what it's about, but it dives into a lot of heavy and interesting ideas about science and technology, sometimes a little sensational or ridiculous, but usually pretty thought-prevoking. Even though it was released way back in 1998, it's aged a lot better than most of the other internet-obsessed movies and programs of the era, probably because it's more concerned with broader issues of existence, communication, and relationships than "hacking" or any other stuff like that. Fans of Evangelion (or other mind-bending anime like Paranoia Agent), or of the creepier works of Lynch, Cronenburg, or Cunningham, will approve of this.
tjenz
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Tony, we already played this game. I won't post it again, but the Anthony Lane review is all this movie deserves.

The biggest problem with the schmuck you quote is that he says things that are patently untrue. Repeatedly. In the first sentence. In the words of Bill Hicks, this isn't a matter of taste. This isn't an opinion. I can prove it with a home computer. The movie is not sharp, nor sly, nor efficient. It's disjointed and boring. The ending is maybe the most deflated, pathetic excuse for a climax in the history of the heist genre. Good god what a snooze. And that Jody Foster character is as laaaaaaame as anything all year. If it wasn't for Denzel's electric presence, it would collapse entirely. It's a nothing. But apparently I'm supposed to forgive all that because Denzel is a white suit is so ridiculous! Cheese ball camera tricks, flat cliched characters and other bad things about the movie just prove how cool it is. What? Your critic is terrible. How many parenthetical asides can I be expected to bear? And what's up with net people and their fixations with setting up other critics as some vague abstract foil for themselves. Half that review is made up of limp parries at "other critics." The other half is superfluous punctuation.

well said
Ben
I haven't seen it yet, but I suspect Miami Vice is better than Inside Man.
Tony
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Tony, we already played this game. I won't post it again, but the Anthony Lane review is all this movie deserves.

The biggest problem with the schmuck you quote is that he says things that are patently untrue. Repeatedly. In the first sentence. In the words of Bill Hicks, this isn't a matter of taste. This isn't an opinion. I can prove it with a home computer. The movie is not sharp, nor sly, nor efficient. It's disjointed and boring. The ending is maybe the most deflated, pathetic excuse for a climax in the history of the heist genre. Good god what a snooze. And that Jody Foster character is as laaaaaaame as anything all year. If it wasn't for Denzel's electric presence, it would collapse entirely. It's a nothing. But apparently I'm supposed to forgive all that because Denzel in a white suit is so ridiculous! Cheese ball camera tricks, flat cliched characters and other bad things about the movie just prove how cool it is. What? Your critic is terrible. How many parenthetical asides can I be expected to bear? And what's up with net people and their fixations with setting up other critics as some vague abstract foil for themselves. Half that review is made up of limp parries at "other critics." The other half is superfluous punctuation.



If you didn't notice that quote above is from here and not from here where I usually quote from. And try telling me that these reviews aren't terrific.
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I watched Inside Man again the other day and it's a superior genre film. would you prefer the latest Tony Scott storytelling impaired sensation/color filter fest.


Yes, yes I would. I'm sick of Tony's oversaturation and blowing-out-the-whites and Oliver-Stone-On-Crystal-Meth editing techniques, but...

Inside Man was just one letdown after another. First off, Spike used a bunch of those Tony Scott lighting nuisances, especially during the interrogation scenes. Clive Owen is wasted on a character with no real development, Willem Dafoe is completely thrown away, probably to some wrongheaded edits, and while I disagree that Jodie Foster's character was, as Ben eloquently threw down, "laaaaaaaaaaame", she strains credulity to the breaking point.

He seemed to be onto something with elements of this film, especially where he scratches the surface of post-9/11 NYC, but they get steamrolled by formula, and everything suffers accordingly.

(Oh, and THAT FUCKING SHOT--you know the one dopey thing he and Dickerson came up with that's in every single one of his films, that needs to GO.)
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(Oh, and THAT FUCKING SHOT--you know the one dopey thing he and Dickerson came up with that's in every single one of his films, that needs to GO.)

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it completely took me out of the movie WTF
Tony
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I watched Inside Man again the other day and it's a superior genre film. would you prefer the latest Tony Scott storytelling impaired sensation/color filter fest.


Yes, yes I would. I'm sick of Tony's oversaturation and blowing-out-the-whites and Oliver-Stone-On-Crystal-Meth editing techniques, but...

Inside Man was just one letdown after another. First off, Spike used a bunch of those Tony Scott lighting nuisances, especially during the interrogation scenes. Clive Owen is wasted on a character with no real development, Willem Dafoe is completely thrown away, probably to some wrongheaded edits, and while I disagree that Jodie Foster's character was, as Ben eloquently threw down, "laaaaaaaaaaame", she strains credulity to the breaking point.

He seemed to be onto something with elements of this film, especially where he scratches the surface of post-9/11 NYC, but they get steamrolled by formula, and everything suffers accordingly.

(Oh, and THAT FUCKING SHOT--you know the one dopey thing he and Dickerson came up with that's in every single one of his films, that needs to GO.)



In agreeance about the SHOT. But the formula is part of the fun of movies like this. Seeing what the genre gives you. I still prefer Dog Day Afternoon of course. The elderly woman who refused to take off her clothes was one of the hostages in DDA actually.
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QUOTE(Slackmo @ Aug 16 2006, 10:15 AM) [snapback]166131[/snapback]

(Oh, and THAT FUCKING SHOT--you know the one dopey thing he and Dickerson came up with that's in every single one of his films, that needs to GO.)


If the shot you mean is when he has the actor stand on the dolly where they then move the person and create an illusion of them either moving in space when they're actually standing still.
Yes, it's been overkill in nearly every flick. Although, I don't recall him using it in '25th Hour'

I believe that they borrowed this from Hitchcock and Spikes just continued to run with it.
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willy wonka

I fear I'd be repeating much of the previous comments but I'll just add that this was discouragingly
awful. I started out thinking something hopeful would come of this given the charm the first one has
but I just don't get it. Kinda like the Psycho remake Van Sant did... what's the point?

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empire falls

I never read the Richard Russo novel but I was certainly intrigued by
all the great performances in this. Helen Hunt does well with a very
different roll than she'd usually take and I actually liked Teresa Russell in this.
Well worth a rental if you don't catch it on HBO

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Deuce Bigelow European Gigolo

Perhaps I'll just say it was on and I sat thru it and leave well enough alone...
uh. it's got Hanna Verboom. Nuff Said.
Tony
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Is any Best Picture winner from the last 50 years or so held in less regard then this? 6.8 rating on IMDB. Pretty bland stuff but not terrible.
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Is any Best Picture winner from the last 50 years or so held in less regard then this? 6.8 rating on IMDB. Pretty bland stuff but not terrible.



whose regard are you talking about? IMDB voters?

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Is any Best Picture winner from the last 50 years or so held in less regard then this? 6.8 rating on IMDB. Pretty bland stuff but not terrible.

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From this we learn that Robert Redford is over rated in most every regard
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Is any Best Picture winner from the last 50 years or so held in less regard then this? 6.8 rating on IMDB. Pretty bland stuff but not terrible.


I don't know why 'Oliver!' scores a 7.5 at IMDB. The principle actors couldn't even sing (except for Jack Wild as The Dodger)---the whole movie is the primary influence for Monty Python's "Every Sperm Is Sacred" number.
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Is any Best Picture winner from the last 50 years or so held in less regard then this? 6.8 rating on IMDB. Pretty bland stuff but not terrible.


I don't know why 'Oliver!' scores a 7.5 at IMDB. The principle actors couldn't even sing (except for Jack Wild as The Dodger)---the whole movie is the primary influence for Monty Python's "Every Sperm Is Sacred" number.


Ron Moody couldn't sing? He was in the original stage production. I love that movie.
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Ron Moody couldn't sing? He was in the original stage production. I love that movie.


I thought it was Clive Revill in the original production. Back in the day, I listened to that cast album many times, and scratched the hell out of it.

I can't stand Mark Lester in the role...it was a big deal when he revealed that he didn't do his own singing...could it be less obvious? rolleyes.gif
Tony
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Ron Moody couldn't sing? He was in the original stage production. I love that movie.


I thought it was Clive Revill in the original production. Back in the day, I listened to that cast album many times, and scratched the hell out of it.

I can't stand Mark Lester in the role...it was a big deal when he revealed that he didn't do his own singing...could it be less obvious? rolleyes.gif


Not according to here.

Anyway dubbing was common in those days. The King and I, West Side Story My Fair Lady, The Umbrellas of Cherbourg.
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mr and mrs smith

OK so I saw this last night and I'm still scratching my head about whether I'd describe this as good, bad or just kinda well I dunno..ridiculous?

It's one thing to suggest that a couple have a relationship where they're both assassins. It's another to suggest that they both co-exist in this world together without noticing what each other do/have or say without someone having a clue about what's going on.

An easy part (or lack of actual making/benefiting from) would be the scenes with the neighbors. It's one thing to notice your neighbors behavior. It's another to not react or act differently towards it. I suppose on some really mindless level this is supposed to be lighthearted but the disconnect from who they work for. what they do or who they really are is so convoluted I just expected these two to both get killed by Vince Vaughn so the guy would move out of his parents house or some shit like that... and the therapy sessions!?! Hell with it. I'm sure Hitchcock is rolling over in his grave. rolleyes.gif
I know it made the SOMB top 50 or whatever, but I thought this was in the "barely watchable" category.

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The Big Lebowski was just on TV so I watched it because it's a good movie.
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Tony, we already played this game. I won't post it again, but the Anthony Lane review is all this movie deserves.

The biggest problem with the schmuck you quote is that he says things that are patently untrue. Repeatedly. In the first sentence. In the words of Bill Hicks, this isn't a matter of taste. This isn't an opinion. I can prove it with a home computer. The movie is not sharp, nor sly, nor efficient. It's disjointed and boring. The ending is maybe the most deflated, pathetic excuse for a climax in the history of the heist genre. Good god what a snooze. And that Jody Foster character is as laaaaaaame as anything all year. If it wasn't for Denzel's electric presence, it would collapse entirely. It's a nothing. But apparently I'm supposed to forgive all that because Denzel in a white suit is so ridiculous! Cheese ball camera tricks, flat cliched characters and other bad things about the movie just prove how cool it is. What? Your critic is terrible. How many parenthetical asides can I be expected to bear? And what's up with net people and their fixations with setting up other critics as some vague abstract foil for themselves. Half that review is made up of limp parries at "other critics." The other half is superfluous punctuation.
So, Ben, what do you really think, though?
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Is any Best Picture winner from the last 50 years or so held in less regard then this? 6.8 rating on IMDB. Pretty bland stuff but not terrible.

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From this we learn that Robert Redford is over rated in most every regard

Couldn't be more wrong. He's never made a better picture...though Quiz Show comes close. There's a reason why this picture is a common staple of the so many college psych courses...a perfect embodiment of narcissistic personality disorder.
Pavement Ist Rad
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Silly kids and your Snakes On A Plane nonsense. This is what the real men stay home and watch.
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Is any Best Picture winner from the last 50 years or so held in less regard then this? 6.8 rating on IMDB. Pretty bland stuff but not terrible.

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From this we learn that Robert Redford is over rated in most every regard

Couldn't be more wrong. He's never made a better picture...though Quiz Show comes close. There's a reason why this picture is a common staple of the so many college psych courses...a perfect embodiment of narcissistic personality disorder.

there is no way it should have beat our Raging Bull for the Oscar. They should show Raging Bull to college psych courses.
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I revisited this movie again this week. I saw it the first time in a theater. Sitting in a theater for 6 hours was quite a difficult ordeal. I purchased the DVD and now had the luxury of watching it on the comfort of my own couch.

I recall ranking this film near the top 5 of my year end list. If I had to rank them over again, this would be a no-brainer at #1. In fact, it is probably my favorite film of the decade thus far. Don't let the 6 hour running time scare you - there isn't a minute wasted. I would recommend 2 three hour sittings on consecutive nights. This is an epic film that shouldn't be missed.

Up next for tonight - Tropical Malady
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