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'Convert or die' game divides Christians
Some ask Wal-Mart to drop Left Behind
- Ilene Lelchuk, Chronicle Staff Writer
Tuesday, December 12, 2006

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Liberal and progressive Christian groups say a new computer game in which players must either convert or kill non-Christians is the wrong gift to give this holiday season and that Wal-Mart, a major video game retailer, should yank it off its shelves.

The Campaign to Defend the Constitution and the Christian Alliance for Progress, two online political groups, plan to demand today that Wal-Mart dump Left Behind: Eternal Forces, a PC game inspired by a series of Christian novels that are hugely popular, especially with teens.

The series by Tim LaHaye and Jerry Jenkins is based on their interpretation of the Bible's Book of Revelation and takes place after the Rapture, when Jesus has taken his people to heaven and left nonbelievers behind to face the Antichrist.

Left Behind Games' president, Jeffrey Frichner, says the game actually is pacifist because players lose "spirit points" every time they gun down nonbelievers rather than convert them. They can earn spirit points again by having their character pray.

"You are fighting a defensive battle in the game," Frichner, whose previous company produced Bible software, said of combatting the Antichrist. "You are a sort of a freedom fighter."

A Wal-Mart spokeswoman said the retailer has no plans to pull Left Behind: Eternal Forces from any of the 200 of Wal-Mart's 3,800 stores that offer the game, including just seven in California. The nearest are in Chico and Redding.

"We look at the community to see where it will sell," said Tara Raddohl. "We have customers who are buying it and really haven't received a lot of complaints about it from our customers at this time."

Clark Stevens, co-director of the Campaign to Defend the Constitution, said the game is not peaceful or diplomatic.

"It's an incredibly violent video game," said Stevens. "Sure, there is no blood. (The dead just fade off the screen.) But you are mowing down your enemy with a gun. It pushes a message of religious intolerance. You can either play for the 'good side' by trying to convert nonbelievers to your side or join the Antichrist."

The Rev. Tim Simpson, a Jacksonville, Fla., Presbyterian minister and president of the Christian Alliance for Progress, added: "So, under the Christmas tree this year for little Johnny is this allegedly Christian video game teaching Johnny to hate and kill?"

Both groups formed in 2005 to protest what their 130,000 or so members feel is the growing political influence and hypocrisy of the religious right.

In Left Behind, set in perfectly apocalyptic New York City, the Antichrist is personified by fictional Romanian Nicolae Carpathia, secretary-general of the United Nations and a People magazine "Sexiest Man Alive."

Players can choose to join the Antichrist's team, but of course they can never win on Carpathia's side. The enemy team includes fictional rock stars and folks with Muslim-sounding names, while the righteous include gospel singers, missionaries, healers and medics. Every character comes with a life story.

When asked about the Arab and Muslim-sounding names, Frichner said the game does not endorse prejudice. But "Muslims are not believers in Jesus Christ" -- and thus can't be on Christ's side in the game.

"That is so obvious," he said.

Left Behind is a real-time strategy and adventure game. Players don't role-play like in Grand Theft Auto -- it's more like the board game Risk than Clue.

Frichner said more than 10,000 retailers -- including Sam's Club, Target, Best Buy, Circuit City, GameStop, EB Games and various Christian stores -- offer the game. He said sales are terrific, though he wouldn't reveal figures.

Protesters are targeting Wal-Mart, where the game retails for $39.96, because it is one of the biggest video game sellers in the United States.

More than 60 million copies of books in the series have sold since the first volume came out in 1996.

Jeff Gerstmann, senior editor at Gamespot.com, an online publication, said the game sn't popular. The game itself, which Gamespot rated 3.4 out of a possible 10, has lots of glitches.

"And it's kind of crazy," Gerstmann said. "One of the evil characters is a rock musician. ... If you get too close to him your spirit is lowered."

But Plugged In, a publication of the conservative Christian group Focus on the Family, gave the game a "thumbs-up." The reviewer called it "the kind of game that Mom and Dad can actually play with Junior -- and use to raise some interesting questions along the way."

Frichner said that is precisely his company's ultimate goal in offering the game: to bring parents and kids together to talk about the Bible. He said most teens are playing video games, so it was natural to turn the books into one.

His business partner, Troy Lyndon, created Madden Football, one of the top-selling sports video games. Left Behind Games Inc. is based in Murrieta (Riverside County).

E-mail Ilene Lelchuk at ilelchuk@sfchronicle.com.

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no magnets
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Players can choose to join the Antichrist's team, but of course they can never win on Carpathia's side. The enemy team includes fictional rock stars and folks with Muslim-sounding names, while the righteous include gospel singers, missionaries, healers and medics. Every character comes with a life story.

When asked about the Arab and Muslim-sounding names, Frichner said the game does not endorse prejudice. But "Muslims are not believers in Jesus Christ" -- and thus can't be on Christ's side in the game.

"That is so obvious," he said.

um, but muslims do recognize jesus christ as a prophet. he's not the prophet, but he is regarded as a pretty significant figure.
Rocks And Blows
Grand Theft Auto: Jerusalem
Sid Hartha
lol @ people shocked by the true nature of Christianity.

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But Plugged In, a publication of the conservative Christian group Focus on the Family, gave the game a "thumbs-up." The reviewer called it "the kind of game that Mom and Dad can actually play with Junior -- and use to raise some interesting questions along the way."


I'll bet. I hope they continue to sell this game.
TATTOO
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Players can choose to join the Antichrist's team, but of course they can never win on Carpathia's side. The enemy team includes fictional rock stars and folks with Muslim-sounding names, while the righteous include gospel singers, missionaries, healers and medics. Every character comes with a life story.

When asked about the Arab and Muslim-sounding names, Frichner said the game does not endorse prejudice. But "Muslims are not believers in Jesus Christ" -- and thus can't be on Christ's side in the game.

"That is so obvious," he said.

um, but muslims do recognize jesus christ as a prophet. he's not the prophet, but he is regarded as a pretty significant figure.


I believe Mary is mentioned more in the Quaran than in the Bible. Jesus is revered by Muslims as the most significat Jewish prophet, if I understand it right, and I believe that they believe he conducted the same miracles as the Bible says. I think they even believe he will come again. I read a hard core Islamic Jihadist manuscript from London where he said that he believed Jesus would come again like it says in the Bible, but I never read the Quaran. But, he said it and I'm sure he's not the only Muslim to believe it.

But, they don't believe Jesus is God. That is the blasphemy part and what they refer to above. This means they do not believe he was God in the form of man.

The Dome of the Rock is built on the place of the Temples of Solomon and Herod and it says: "God has no Son. It is Blasphemy to Say He has Taken a Son."

It is written in the book of Revelation that when Israel is beset on all sides by invaders and the Temple is being rebuilt: the apocalypse is coming. A man will come who bring peace for 3.5 years to the situation and then rain down hell onto earth for the next 3.5 years. Then Jesus comes back and reigns on Earth for 1000 years of peace. Then, the other little known or mentioned part, is that at that point God let's the Devil loose from his chains and he again reeks havoc on Earth.
Mitchell
You see when I took my plans for Kill the Infidels to the computer people they said it would be to controversial. Seriously though, recruit people into your squad, assembly your bombs, pick a location, multi-player split screen attempts to blow up transport in major metropolitan areas. What's got more playability?
Diesel
Hey...its "Billy Graham's Bible Blaster!"

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"Convert the heathens!"
b17yoe
I heard an NPR story on this last week where they talked to the guy who created the game. When asked the question that the rightwingers always pose about any other violent video game: What if people take this seriously/can't separate gaming from reality/etc... He responded basically, "There is no way that anyone could mistake the violence in this game for real-world violence.

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Hypocrite.
WesterMats
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I heard an NPR story on this last week where they talked to the guy who created the game. When asked the question that the rightwingers always pose about any other violent video game: What if people take this seriously/can't separate gaming from reality/etc... He responded basically, "There is no way that anyone could mistake the violence in this game for real-world violence.

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Hypocrite.
Amen!

In fact, I might suggest that evangelical Christians (especially but not limited to youth) who have been less exposed to the real world might not be quite as far along in their personal development -- and hence less able to discriminate between video violence and reality -- as compared to their heathen counterparts, who typically are cited as a rationale for criticism of similar non-Christian video games.

Btw, I'm all for this game being able to exist and be played by whomever, it's just the hypocrisy that is so glaring as to be tragically comical.

I read the first Left Behind a few years ago and gagged the whole way through. Not only was it poorly written, but its agenda and message are somewhat similar to what's reflected in the video game, minus the violence. In a word: Sucked, and would more accurately have been titled Left Ass Cheek.
Freddie Freelance
Yeah, 'Mats, there's not enough plot in any of that series' books to forgive it's pissant didacticism. Too much "See! We're right 'cause we wrote a book saying we're right!"
without_opinion
"the Antichrist is personified by fictional Romanian Nicolae Carpathia"

is this a tribute to Ghostbusters 2, and Vigo the Carpathian, the scourge of Moldavia?


On a mountain of skulls, in the castle of pain, I sat on a throne of blood! What was will be! What is will be no more! Now is the season of evil!

Andyroo
I considered requesting a review copy for Static, but I was frightened by the information request form on their website. I hesitated with providing them with a working phone number or any personal information about myself.
bleach
i get behind this thread and this game 100 percent. i've read 2 of the books and have seen three of the movies. louis gosset (sp?) was actually in the 3rd flick...when he wept, i wept.

i don't remember what the bible says on this (noah was a rebel), but i'm pretty sure god doesn't like animals very much. all those poor doggies were left on their leashes with a pile of the owner's clothing heaped next to them. heartbreaking stuff.
_jon
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