I think its obvious which I voted for.


















PINK FLOYD FOREVER

CRUSHING DEFEAT

He's full of shit.

That said, I don't think Montana's nearly as full of shit as he comes off. (at least his musical opinions) He occasionally even raises a halfway decent point. I actually DO think that there were some great artists back in the day that were highly innovative and also extremely capable (even Pink Floyd, who I don't particularly care for). I think there are many great artists today as well, but I wouldn't go as far as to say that all eras are equal. The newness of the "rock" era contributed to an era of excitement that led to a lot of great music.

All that said, the guy is the biggest turd to hit this joint, in I don't know, just about forever. His musical opinions are as valid as anyone's, his way of expressing them are as offensive as possible. His good points are usually obscured by his demeanor, his smirking all-knowing tone, and his unwillingness to allow for others to disagree reasonably. I'm sure I'd enjoy listening to Montana's record collection more than dj's or gdb's, but damn if I'd ever want to spend any time with the guy. (I say this despite his Dead, Doors, Floyd obsessions)

Funny thing is, I remember the day when some newbie named djdee ruffled a lot of feathers with his own tactics (not nearly as offensive as Montana, but still a bit "in your face").

The funny thing is my record collection probably is quite similar to his in a lot of places. I guess we'll see when the next batch of voting starts...

gives me an idea for a thread of my own...

Jesus Christ folks, you talk like he was Ace or something...

Montana:loner, rebel

This poll is going places.

He's no Ace--thank God. From what I've read, his tastes are pretty similar to mine, but I think he could stand to benefit a little more from this eclectic community we call the SOMB.

I mean one of the biggest things folks talk about here, is how they got turned on to...(insert group).

I welcome Montana with open arms, with the hope that he continue to try to open his mind to other types of music, besides what I was listening to in high school. (and no, I'm not a geezer, for folks who don't know how young 35 is)

I was listening to geezer rock in high school becasue there was something going on called...








the 80's. (shudders)

BTW, screw you and the 'pole' you wrapped your legs around, deej. This isn't the message board that I remember. We don't do a circle jerk on someone unless they've truly be deemed worthy by a jury of their peers, with an attorney present, of course.

diversity is good, he can stick around, just make less threads.

I barely even pay attention to the guy, honestly. I'm not interested at all in most "classic" artists anyway, so I typically skip any thread the guy's in. When he does happen to show up in a thread I'm interested in, he's generally non-offensive and easy to ignore anyhow. Still, I voted "who gives a shit," because I'm really sick of talking/hearing about like 99 percent of the artists he espouses, cause I've been there, done that. My advice to him would be to put down the Rolling Stone Best 100 albums ever list and expand his horizons. Or at least TRY.

uh-oh.. did he go off into William Tell land?

I didn't notice anything like that yet.

I backed Izzy on the thread limit idea a while ago, but it didn't make it past the Senate sub-committee.


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"My little fish--"

But williamtell was funny.

Point taken.

You were fucking funny in that damn grateful thread, or RS thread or whatever it was.

are you the old trumpet player from evanston?

I'm as disinterested in Pink Floyd as the next guy, but am tempted to vote for Montana anyway just because I hate the animus of this poll.

This isn't a fucking referendum on his membership in the forum, its a referendum on having read about pinkfloyd/greatfuldead/whogivesashit again.

You don't have to read any thread if you don't want to.

ladies and gentleman..i deplore you. Let montana live!

i respect montana, i respect artsis that can play instruments, not hating on sampling but seriously, you look at how a beat is put together and its not brain surgery, in comparison to playing piano or guitar expertly.. shit, anyone on here could cook a beat up in a minute if they want. Now, consistently doing interesting beats is where the talent is, but i aint gonna hate on real musicians thats for sure.

Breaking the silence to applaud Jigga for being 100%, absolutely, dead on, flat out right for once.

I think Jigga has always had a love/hate relationship with the constructs of R&B/hip-hop, and he does come to the board with radically rethought positions on a regular basis, so I don't think this is too out of step for him.


His statement is arguably correct in terms of strict musicianship, but I think the mistake people then make is thinking there is a strong, direct connection between the pure technical skill of an artist and the quality of the music they produce.

It's been more than once, lately (the Jam thread comes to mind).

Thanks Jigga. You make a great point. But on a non-hip hop related note, I think this theory also applies to poser indie bands, guys who can barely play their instruments and who wear makeup/image over actual substance. To say it only exists in the rap world would be foolish.






But you do have to have *some* technical skill to play quality music.

oh and Deej, thx

If you read my post, i was defending montaa more than making any statement, From whta i understand, montana is hated cause he thinks you should play your instruments and not just sample. Answer this question, who would you rather be, George Gershyn, or Jazza Pha. Not hating, but playing piano real expertly as opposed to pushing one or 2 buttons on a preprogrammed ro tools is niot the same league to me. i like that pro tools shit, but to get up there as a real artist that only a few people in the world can do, but programming beats, anyone can do that, computers do 75% of the work, it still sounds good and i respecttheir ear for a great hook, but musician ship shouldnt be underestimated. Respect to everyones opinion though, i am just bigging up real talent, my sister loves all the hip hop to death yet she playing her piano to death trying to hget better, i dont see her on the pro tools even though she has it.

Of course, there's a minimal level of skill required (odd exceptions like Wesley Willis notwithstanding). But there's also a reason this board massively prefers the Ramones to Joe Satriani.


Heh, maybe, but at the end of the day I would rather listen to Jazze Pha than Gershwin...

I think it takes a lot of skill to produce good beats - it's just a different sort of skill than what we traditionally think of in that field. The idea of musicianship has to evolve with technology.

i respect your opinion Raj, and i see your point, but you dont prefer jazza pha to george gershyn. Rhapsody in Blue, Summertime vs Nasty Girl and 1, 2 step, come on. Jazza is great but gershyn is evry great composers idol even the Duke loved him.

gershwin>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>jazze pha

BEST THREAD HIJACK EVER. Thanks Jigga!

This is great stuff. I think we are seeing the truth come out, or at least a great deal of knowledge surface. And understandably, the truth can really sometimes ruffle feathers, can't it?

I just don't listen to soundtrack music from the '20s, I guess. I mean he's a far more important and influential artist in the abstract, but I'm just talking about stuff in which I'm interested. I don't really care for Gershwin's style even if he is far more technically talented.
And 1,2 Step is one of Jazze's lesser productions in my mind.

Absolutely true. Technical proficiency does not equal quality. Notes/beats per minute has nothing to do with soul, stage presence, or what resonates in the ears and hearts of the listener.

Yeah, true, but Gershwin owns in all of that... compared to Jazze Pha, Jesus Christ Raj, have a heartbeat.

I fully agree with somegirl, apart from the blasphemy part though. Raj makes great points, and on the whole i prefer modern music made with computers, but I probably admire the true genius artists of the past the most. I think of one man and his piano or guitar or sax just creating magic and giving pleasure to America. these cats in the basement or at home on their computers doing beats like it is a fashiop, cause everyone now does beats you know, its like a new social club or something, "Hi, I'm Mike, i do beats in my spare time"

Gershwin >> Jazze Pha, but it doesnt really have anything to do w musicianship.

Right. Or beats or pianos or whatever.

Who's Montana?

mami threw it like a quarter back i caught that like rice, i call mami montana

I don't really listen to that style, SG... did you really think I was a Gershwin fan?
It's an arbitary comparison anyway... if we want to talk "Jazze vs. Storch" or "Gershwin vs. Berlin" that would be a lot more sensible.

No, but it sounded like you had at least listened. Or had sorta breezed through a few Gershwin works which is part of why I thought you didn't feel the total gorgeousness of the anthems.

I'm not trying to convert you, but the comparison really threw me off. It ain't no thing.

Of course talented musicians who play instruments well are in a separate league from remixers and dj's who sample others' works. But, taking this into a slightly different direction, I'd much rather listen to, say, David Gilmour or the Edge over Joe Satriani or Eddie Van Halen, even though the later two are far more technically proficient. At some point, I may be impressed at how many notes someone can play, but my listening habits often follow musicians who play far less, to far greater effect.

lollercaust

the strangest of things are being bumped today.

what a weird, weird day.

Ugh, everyone stop bumping old threads. Is everyone off their meds this week?

Whoever keeps exhuming these threads deserves more of your scorn than Montana.

classic thread

I'd like to know once and for all who, exactly, deserves most or all of my scorn.

Nuno

Yeah I'm definitely enjoying the "greatest moments in Montana bashing" thing going on today... some really good threads. There's some awesome posts in this thread and that ridiculous Eagles thread.

It's been worth it for me just to read this in the subject heading: "Revisiting a classic masterpiece - Hotel California" Just brilliant comedic stuff there.

BTW, does someone have an explanation for all of this crud-slinging? Is it Montana's birthday or something?

lol... "A Classic Masterpiece"... that might never get old.

uh-oh.