Montana
Feb 15 2006, 10:21 PM
Ahh... the much played and much talked about Hotel California. Rappers refer to this as a "gotcha album", as in " I gotcha samples cause I don't have the skills to play it myself!" @CR2006
First, the members of the Eagles were riding fairly high after several very successful records. The late addition of Joe Walsh had the effect Henley and Frey were looking for. Sure this record was severely overplayed, but that doesn't mean it's not a good record. It just means people were too stupid to change the radio dial.


1. Hotel California
2. New Kid In Town
3. Life In The Fast Lane
4. Wasted Time
5. Wasted Time (Reprise)
6. Victim Of Love
7. Pretty Maids All In A Row
8. Try And Love Again
9. The Last Resort
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Amazon.com essential recording
It's no accident that The Eagles Greatest Hits might one day pass Michael Jackson's Thriller as the best-selling album of all time-- the Eagles made great singles. By contrast, their albums could be spotty and strained by self-conscious artistry. Hotel California was arguably the band's best single album--it was certainly the Eagles' biggest original disc-- and it also underscored the band's need to make a big statement. The title tune reflected the album's theme of paradise lost in California, painting this picture with a musical arrangement that punctuated strumming guitars with dramatic drums, and perhaps the band's most famous lyric: "You can check out any time you like, but you can never leave." "New Kid in Town" was an equally fine albeit much more traditional Eagles ballad. "Life in the Fast Lane" aspired to hard rock but largely gunned its engine without taking off. The rest is okay, but nothing more than secondary Eagles songs that happened to be nestled into the album that came to define the `70s supergroup. --John Milward
AMG review 5/5 stars
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Review by William Ruhlmann
The Eagles took 18 months between their fourth and fifth albums, reportedly spending eight months in the studio recording Hotel California. The album was also their first to be made without Bernie Leadon, who had given the band much of its country flavor, and with rock guitarist Joe Walsh. As a result, the album marks a major leap for the Eagles from their earlier work, as well as a stylistic shift toward mainstream rock. An even more important aspect, however, is the emergence of Don Henley as the band's dominant voice, both as a singer and a lyricist. On the six songs to which he contributes, Henley sketches a thematic statement that begins by using California as a metaphor for a dark, surreal world of dissipation; comments on the ephemeral nature of success and the attraction of excess; branches out into romantic disappointment; and finally sketches a broad, pessimistic history of America that borders on nihilism. Of course, the lyrics kick in some time after one has appreciated the album's music, which marks a peak in the Eagles' playing. Early on, the group couldn't rock convincingly, but the rhythm section of Henley and Meisner has finally solidified, and the electric guitar work of Don Felder and Joe Walsh has arena-rock heft. In the early part of their career, the Eagles never seemed to get a sound big enough for their ambitions; after changes in producer and personnel, as well as a noticeable growth in creativity, Hotel California unveiled what seemed almost like a whole new band. It was a band that could be bombastic, but also one that made music worthy of the later tag of "classic rock," music appropriate for the arenas and stadiums the band was playing. The result was the Eagles' biggest-selling regular album release, and one of the most successful rock albums ever.
You really have to ask yourself how so many talented people ended up in one band. These guys could sing like birds! The guitar players were excellent. Henley was a fine drummer who could sing well while playing. So talented. And was it this very talent that turned indie hipsters off? Did we shun this talent and turn our eyes and ears towards garden apartments and dingy rock clubs for guys who couldn't really play or sing? I fear that perhaps we did. Did we embrace less talent and creativity because somehow listening to music that was more imperfect (like our own lives) was somehow more comforting than surrounding ourselves with the perfection of something like Hotel California? It's a puzzling scenario, is it not?
Regardless, this is an incredible piece of work. The title track is worth it's weight in gold alone. A perfect guitar solo, a mezemerizing intro that by itself would of made"album of the year" on SOMB if it was created by Sufjan Stevens or sampled by some lazy rapper who could never figure out how to play an instrument.
Hotel California folks. It's the real deal. Amen.
Burz
Feb 15 2006, 10:26 PM
Mitchell
Feb 15 2006, 10:28 PM
I'd never heard of this thanks for the req!
avec
Feb 15 2006, 10:28 PM
To quote the Big Lebowski: "I had a rough night and I hate the fuckin' Eagles, man!"
Montana
Feb 15 2006, 10:28 PM
Now now Burzum, it's not fair to post photos of Mancow listeners.
Mitchell
Feb 15 2006, 10:29 PM
The Band >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Eagles
thanks.
Nick
Feb 15 2006, 10:30 PM
CAN SOMEONE YSI ME "THE END OF THE INNOCENCE"?!?!?!
Raj (Noble Con)
Feb 15 2006, 10:31 PM
QUOTE(Montana @ Feb 15 2006, 09:21 PM) [snapback]20819[/snapback]
Ahh... the much played and much talked about Hotel California. Rappers refer to this as a "gotcha album", as in " I gotcha samples cause I don't have the skills to play it myself!" @CR2006
Seriously Montana, come back to the board when you understand a bit about music. If, in 2006, you still don't get how deconstruction works in music, and you still don't get how disassembling and reconstructing music is a valid creative technique, then please go school yourself. Start with Steve Reich and work your way (slowly) up to Timbaland. It will be tough going, but maybe, if you work hard and long at it, you can break down some of your rock-solid preconceptions and learn a thing or two.
Thanks. Love always,
Raj
Montana
Feb 15 2006, 10:31 PM
QUOTE(Nick @ Feb 15 2006, 11:30 PM) [snapback]20829[/snapback]
CAN SOMEONE YSI ME "THE END OF THE INNOCENCE"?!?!?!
Hornsby played on that one. Excellent track! I know it's the cool thing to do to rip on guys who are actual musicians, so Ill take your comments with a grain of salt.
DrJimmy
Feb 15 2006, 10:33 PM
do NOT play this in your car! i repeat, do NOT play it in your car OR YOU WILL GET INTO A CAR CRASH AND DIE!!!!
seriously, dudes, you haven't heard of the Eagles curse?
boobs
Feb 15 2006, 10:35 PM
Mitchell
Feb 15 2006, 10:36 PM
avec
Feb 15 2006, 10:36 PM
The eagles is a main staple of the music that is piped into the retail chain where I work. That song "life in the fast lane" drives me nuts! On the other hand, "I can't tell you why" is pretty smooth and funky. I can still dig on that one.
Howard Rock
Feb 15 2006, 10:36 PM
QUOTE(deej @ Feb 15 2006, 10:35 PM) [snapback]20835[/snapback]
boobs
Feb 15 2006, 10:59 PM
dont ask me, i just did the google search.
simulated stereo
Feb 15 2006, 11:26 PM
Listening to the eagles > being raped in prison.
Nick
Feb 15 2006, 11:28 PM
QUOTE(simulated stereo @ Feb 16 2006, 12:26 AM) [snapback]20856[/snapback]
Listening to the eagles > being raped in prison.
Please specify type of prison. Meaning, men's or women's and level of security.
simulated stereo
Feb 15 2006, 11:39 PM
QUOTE(Nick @ Feb 16 2006, 01:28 PM) [snapback]20857[/snapback]
Please specify type of prison. Meaning, men's or women's and level of security.
Women's maximum security (ugly hard bitches) and men's minimum security.
I guess.
KENAN THOMPSON
Feb 15 2006, 11:58 PM
fuck the eagles.
let's talk about station to station or something for the rest of the thread, i feel like i'm hanging out with my dad.
simulated stereo
Feb 16 2006, 12:04 AM
QUOTE(pinkerton @ Feb 16 2006, 01:58 PM) [snapback]20871[/snapback]
fuck the eagles.
let's talk about station to station or something for the rest of the thread, i feel like i'm hanging out with my dad.
Good call!
Paul
Feb 16 2006, 12:11 AM
I think the only Eagles song I like is "Take It Easy" and that's because Jackson Browne wrote it.
Duff.
Feb 16 2006, 12:49 AM
QUOTE(Montana @ Feb 15 2006, 09:21 PM) [snapback]20819[/snapback]
The title track is worth it's weight in gold alone.
I agree completely.
You are aware that songs don't weigh anything, right?
UselessRocker
Feb 16 2006, 01:09 AM
"Turn up The Eagles, the neighbors are listening..."
From various concerts/bootlegs:
Fan: "'Play "I Figured You Out"!"
Elliott Smith: "I don't like that song...it sounds too much like the fucking Eagles."
I read a book about The Eagles ("To the Limit"). It turns out that The Eagles cared a lot about cocaine, making lots of money, pussy, writing songs about being done wrong by women despite the fact that they were consistently cheating on their girlfriends/wives with girls (some of whom were underage) and money. The Eagles: CLASS ACTS.
scarymuppet
Feb 16 2006, 01:17 AM
Hey everybody! It's time for facts about The Eagles!
DID YOU KNOW...
...that The Eagles are for old people?
...that "Hotel California" is the most retarded song ever?
...that the fact that Montana probably thinks the song is "totally deep" makes it even more retarded?
THE MORE YOU KNOW!
(Cue the NBC More You Know thingy)
BTW, the guitar solo on "Hotel California" sucks.
Undercooked Sausage
Feb 16 2006, 01:19 AM
Station To Station, best bowie album? I dunno, I still stick by Hunky Dory, but I guess I could be swayed.
The Good Dr Bill
Feb 16 2006, 01:21 AM
man fuck everyone, The Eagles are awesome
bullybones
Feb 16 2006, 01:29 AM
"It's not the side effects of the cocaine/ I'm thinking that it must be love"
The Eagles would never be that honest about it.
DrJimmy
Feb 16 2006, 07:37 AM
QUOTE(Sausage To The Extreme @ Feb 16 2006, 01:19 AM) [snapback]20942[/snapback]
Station To Station, best bowie album? I dunno, I still stick by Hunky Dory, but I guess I could be swayed.
stick with Hunky Dory. your instincts are correct.
coolrock
Feb 16 2006, 07:46 AM
Don Henley= The World's Most Sensitive Coke Lush
i-c
Feb 16 2006, 08:02 AM
Jesus Montana. If you're gonna take a break from worshiping Barrett, at least do it with a group that doesn't suck even more than Floyd.
Hips
Feb 16 2006, 08:26 AM
as good as the Eagles and Hotel California probably are. I've heard it soooo damn much that everytime they come on i subconciously start beating myself in the head with a cast iron frying pan. sorry monty
Montana
Feb 16 2006, 09:28 AM
Hey they are still better than Gun n Roses ( and any respective G n R threads) .....
QUOTE(UselessRocker @ Feb 16 2006, 02:09 AM) [snapback]20935[/snapback]
"Turn up The Eagles, the neighbors are listening..."
From various concerts/bootlegs:
Fan: "'Play "I Figured You Out"!"
Elliott Smith: "I don't like that song...it sounds too much like the fucking Eagles."
I read a book about The Eagles ("To the Limit"). It turns out that The Eagles cared a lot about cocaine, making lots of money, pussy, writing songs about being done wrong by women despite the fact that they were consistently cheating on their girlfriends/wives with girls (some of whom were underage) and money. The Eagles: CLASS ACTS.
Jealousy perhaps? At least they had talent behind their childish ways.
We turned from that talent so we could listen to artists with more imperfections.
QUOTE(i-c @ Feb 16 2006, 09:02 AM) [snapback]21005[/snapback]
Jesus Montana. If you're gonna take a break from worshiping Barrett, at least do it with a group that doesn't suck even more than Floyd.
lol. In your opinon, what "doesn't suck?". It would be interesting to hear the answer to that.
Johnny Feathers
Feb 16 2006, 09:38 AM
QUOTE(DrJimmy @ Feb 16 2006, 08:37 AM) [snapback]20998[/snapback]
stick with Hunky Dory. your instincts are correct.
Huh? It's most certainly Low, I think. It has to be perhaps his most consistently great album.
But I also dig the dark, trancey, Eno-synth vibe. Hell, all of Bowie's 70's work is mostly damn good.
NumberTenOx
Feb 16 2006, 10:21 AM
Will there ever be a Montana thread where he doesn't endlessly cite other people's reviews? So fucking weak to not have the strength of your convictions, and you need to call in reviews from a bunch of other saps whose opinions carry the same weight as Montana's.
If you like something, you like it. Quoting someone else's review to prove your point is like asking your gramma to beat up the neighborhood bully. Weak.
tweed
Feb 16 2006, 10:29 AM
I have a soft spot for this record because we used to listen to it backwards when we were kids -- lots of weird shit spoken pretty clearly in the title track -- "Six, Six, Six" and "Satan started his own religion" are the ones I remember. And there's Allistor Crowley supposedly crouching in the window in the inside photo. It made the Eagles pretty mysterious when I was 9 or so.
But not enough so to to ever listen to it forward.
Howard Rock
Feb 16 2006, 10:34 AM
I used to listen to the Eagles back in high school...when I thought I knew what I was doing. But I have absolutely no time for this type of stuff anymore...how many guitars does one band need? Bleh.
Josh Acid
Feb 16 2006, 10:54 AM
QUOTE(simulated stereo @ Feb 15 2006, 11:04 PM) [snapback]20876[/snapback]
Good call!

I prefer the original cover:
chilly!
Montana
Feb 16 2006, 10:59 AM
I think 70's Eagles and 70's Bowie are about the same. The difference is one guy liked to dress up as a woman and do coke, while the others liked to chase them and do coke.
Squirmin Herman Wedemeyer
Feb 16 2006, 11:02 AM
i don't really get all the eagles hate - not just here, but it's pretty universal.
sure, i find their stuff pretty bland these days, and though i own several records i can't remember the last time i played any of them. probably not unlike a lot of folks here.
but they were talented guys, and several had successful careers outside of the band.
their music was pioneering in it's own way. i can't think of many other country/rock bands that weren't stuck with the "southern rock" label. they had a wide range and appealed to a lot of people.
i personally like their earlier stuff a bit better - more of a country influence, simpler songs. but many of their songs are like old friends.
"take it easy" is a great tune (didn't know jackson browne wrote it), and always reminds me of watching BJ & the Bear as a kid. "heartache tonight" was excellently used during the '85 bears playoff run in a montage of the defense's bigger plays. loved the use of "in the city" at the end of cult classic film The Warriors.
and honestly, the fact that they did hard drugs and were unfaithful to their women has no place in a discussion about a rock band. a)it has no bearing on their artistic endeavors, b)music isn't renowned for producing role models, and c)it was the 70's for the love of God.
but if the hate here is merely some montana backlash, then i understand completely.
Smells Like Douche
Feb 16 2006, 11:06 AM
QUOTE(tweed @ Feb 16 2006, 09:29 AM) [snapback]21110[/snapback]
I have a soft spot for this record because we used to listen to it backwards when we were kids -- lots of weird shit spoken pretty clearly in the title track -- "Six, Six, Six" and "Satan started his own religion" are the ones I remember. And there's Allistor Crowley supposedly crouching in the window in the inside photo. It made the Eagles pretty mysterious when I was 9 or so.
But not enough so to to ever listen to it forward.
Someone once told me this was a popular record for satanists. Not sure why they said that. They really annoyed me when they charged a lot for tickets. Not because I would go (I wouldn't) but because all the bands raised prices. This is what baby boomer parents listen to.
Montana
Feb 16 2006, 11:10 AM
QUOTE(Smells Like Douche @ Feb 16 2006, 12:06 PM) [snapback]21167[/snapback]
Someone once told me this was a popular record for satanists. Not sure why they said that. They really annoyed me when they charged a lot for tickets. Not because I would go (I wouldn't) but because all the bands raised prices. This is what baby boomer parents listen to.
The last song is an ode to Native Americans and mother earth, and supposedly trashes Christians. It's a wonderful song. It's called " the last resort". Great stuff. Of course the people who hear "life in the fast lane" and never bothered to hear the rest of the record wouldn't know how genius the rest of it is.
lyrics that caused the controversy:
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She came from Providence,
the one in Rhode Island
Where the old world shadows hang
heavy in the air
She packed her hopes and dreams
like a refugee
Just as her father came across the sea
She heard about a place people were smilin'
They spoke about the red man's way,
and how they loved the land
And they came from everywhere
to the Great Divide
Seeking a place to stand
or a place to hide
Down in the crowded bars,
out for a good time,
Can't wait to tell you all,
what it's like up there
And they called it paradise
I don't know why
Somebody laid the mountains low
while the town got high
Then the chilly winds blew down
Across the desert
through the canyons of the coast, to
the Malibu
Where the pretty people play,
hungry for power
to light their neon way
and give them things to do
Some rich men came and raped the land,
Nobody caught 'em
Put up a bunch of ugly boxes, and Jesus,
people bought 'em
And they called it paradise
The place to be
They watched the hazy sun, sinking in the sea
You can leave it all behind
and sail to Lahaina
just like the missionaries did, so many years ago
They even brought a neon sign: "Jesus is coming"
Brought the white man's burden down
Brought the white man's reign
Who will provide the grand design?
What is yours and what is mine?
'Cause there is no more new frontier
We have got to make it here
We satisfy our endless needs and
justify our bloody deeds,
in the name of destiny and in the name of God
And you can see them there,
On Sunday morning
They stand up and sing about
what it's like up there
They call it paradise
I don't know why
You call someplace paradise,
kiss it goodbye
Angrimorfee
Feb 16 2006, 11:34 AM
QUOTE(Montana @ Feb 16 2006, 10:28 AM) [snapback]21057[/snapback]
Hey they are still better than Gun n Roses ( and any respective G n R threads) .....
That's like saying an Arby's Beef n Cheddar is better than a White Castle. In other words, nobody cares. (i still like u)
Still, the title track is an inspiring number, as evidenced
here.
Jimmy TKB
Feb 16 2006, 11:46 AM
1)
Beats another Pink Floyd thread
2)
The Hotel California cover done in the Big Lebowski (was it by Gypsy Kings?) is AWESOME
3)
Joe Walsh solo >>> the Eagles
Squirmin Herman Wedemeyer
Feb 16 2006, 11:52 AM
QUOTE(TerryKath'sBrain @ Feb 16 2006, 12:46 PM) [snapback]21215[/snapback]
Beats another Pink Floyd thread
Joe Walsh solo >>> the Eagles
agree. and i'll also take the beef 'n cheddar, even though a slider will always have a special place in my heart (or colon).
Cinnamon P.
Feb 16 2006, 12:02 PM
I understand the point of going back and looking at a "classic" but who hasn't heard hotel california and made their own judgements about it at this point? perhaps if it was a lesser known album you wanted us all to hear and discover some greatness but I was over this album at the age of 10. there isnt anything else to say about it. unless you want to
bobfrombob
Feb 16 2006, 12:26 PM
I'm finally prepared to re-consider it. At the time it was released, I worked in a record store (the slogan was "Canada's largest and best known"). I can remember carrying literally 100s of copies of the friggin thing up from the basement and writing $4.99 on 100s of copies. So I hated it. Didn't matter what it sounded like. With the passing of years, and sufficient therapy, I'm prepared to give it another chance. But now it costs $20? WTF?
Listerine Widower
Feb 16 2006, 01:06 PM
Joe Walsh's "Life's Been Good" surpasses everything in the Eagles catalogue. At least he had a sense of humor.
NumberTenOx
Feb 16 2006, 01:09 PM
QUOTE(Listerine Widower @ Feb 16 2006, 12:06 PM) [snapback]21310[/snapback]
Joe Walsh's "Life's Been Good" surpasses everything in the Eagles catalogue. At least he had a sense of humor.
OTM. Pity his solo career has been so inconsistent.
Slackmo
Feb 16 2006, 01:14 PM
THERE'S SO MANY THINGS YOU SHOULD'VE TOLD HER
BUT NIGHT AFTER NIGHT YOU'RE WILLING TO HOLD HER
JUST HOLD HER
TEARS ON YOUR SHOULDER
Montana
Feb 16 2006, 01:27 PM
When the day is long and the night, the night is yours alone,
When you’re sure you’ve had enough of this life, well hang on
Don’t let yourself go, everybody cries and everybody hurts sometimes
Sometimes everything is wrong. now it’s time to sing along
When your day is night alone, (hold on, hold on)
If you feel like letting go, (hold on)
When you think you’ve had too much of this life, well hang on
’cause everybody hurts. take comfort in your friends
Everybody hurts. don’t throw your hand. oh, no. don’t throw your hand
If you feel like you’re alone, no, no, no, you are not alone
If you’re on your own in this life, the days and nights are long,
When you think you’ve had too much of this life to hang on
Well, everybody hurts sometimes,
Everybody cries. and everybody hurts sometimes
And everybody hurts sometimes. so, hold on, hold on
Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on
Everybody hurts. you are not alone
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