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Jigga
I am warming to his style. I think he resents all the BS out there. All the movements that are created. I mean, if it is a contest between the schools of thought of Dero or Simon Reynolds, I will take Jim everyday of the week.

I used to not like him, he still has not lived down his review of the 9/11 concert for plice/firemmanwoman/ambulance etc in 2001. That was petty and missing the point beyond relief. But in the midst of all the kewl writers now, he is actually a breath of fresh air.

I even like his clothes style from what i have seen of him, like jAck Black in High Fidelity. Do your thing Jim.
Uncle Remus
fucking wow
Jigga
am i right or am i right?
Nick
His most recent column was on Jamie Foxx.
More Drama
Good thread.
Rob Gordon
QUOTE(Nick @ Jan 6 2007, 11:38 AM) [snapback]282635[/snapback]

His most recent column was on Jamie Foxx.


nuff said
Montana
QUOTE(Nick @ Jan 6 2007, 12:38 PM) [snapback]282635[/snapback]

His most recent column was on Jamie Foxx.



Are you freaking kidding me? I always liked Jim, but that's a serious sign the guy is losing it if it's true.
Some Girl
Gotta say, the okay thing about reading Jim is you know you're going to have a reaction. And his progession in taste is always very linear, you can see it unfolding over time.
Mantana
QUOTE(Montana @ Jan 6 2007, 11:50 AM) [snapback]282674[/snapback]

QUOTE(Nick @ Jan 6 2007, 12:38 PM) [snapback]282635[/snapback]

His most recent column was on Jamie Foxx.



Are you freaking kidding me? I always liked Jim, but that's a serious sign the guy is losing it if it's true.

Jamie Foxx plays Allstate Arena this weekend. He also appears in the movie Dreamgirls, in theaters now.

Why shouldn't Derogatis write about him?
Montana
QUOTE(chadwick @ Jan 6 2007, 10:26 PM) [snapback]282881[/snapback]

Jamie Foxx plays Allstate Arena this weekend. He also appears in the movie Dreamgirls, in theaters now.

Why shouldn't Derogatis write about him?



Should he write about Don Johnson's and Russel Crowe's musical projects as well?

Who in their right mind would go to a Jamie Foxx concert?

Ridiculous.
Mantana
Dude won an oscar and had a #1 album.
Montana
QUOTE(chadwick @ Jan 6 2007, 10:30 PM) [snapback]282883[/snapback]

Dude won an oscar and had a #1 album.



That doesn't really equate with quality in today's world. Everything has become watered down. Lots of "stars" but very little actual talent. Jamie Foxx falls into that category.
BobtheSquid
Jamie Foxx was a singer before he ever became a comedian or serious actor. He had an album out in 1994. Not saying it's any good, but he's hardly a Don Johnson-like actor-turned-wannabe-singer.
Montana
QUOTE(BobtheSquid @ Jan 6 2007, 10:37 PM) [snapback]282887[/snapback]

Jamie Foxx was a singer before he ever became a comedian or serious actor. He had an album out in 1994. Not saying it's any good, but he's hardly a Don Johnson-like actor-turned-wannabe-singer.



You also think the Sound of Lies is the best Jayhawks album.
Mantana
Jamie Foxx has talent.
BobtheSquid
QUOTE(Montana @ Jan 6 2007, 07:53 PM) [snapback]282891[/snapback]

You also think the Sound of Lies is the best Jayhawks album.


Well, duh.
Campaigner
Thing with Jim is that if it's someone he's reviewed before, you're pretty much guaranteed you know how the review will pan out even before you've read or heard it.

i.e no matter how crap an album could be, he'll never trash the Flaming Lips or Wilco, never praise a Ryan Adams album no matter how good it is, always be cautious about an album by a band or artist that's been around as long as his waist is wide.
Montana
QUOTE(chadwick @ Jan 6 2007, 11:24 PM) [snapback]282902[/snapback]

Jamie Foxx has talent.



Brittney Spears has more talent.
Chronodiggity
QUOTE(Montana @ Jan 6 2007, 10:57 PM) [snapback]282907[/snapback]

QUOTE(chadwick @ Jan 6 2007, 11:24 PM) [snapback]282902[/snapback]

Jamie Foxx has talent.



Brittney Spears has more talent.




Absolute, "wow" statement
Mantana
QUOTE(Montana @ Jan 6 2007, 09:57 PM) [snapback]282907[/snapback]

QUOTE(chadwick @ Jan 6 2007, 11:24 PM) [snapback]282902[/snapback]

Jamie Foxx has talent.



Brittney Spears has more talent.

Are you really saying that she does, or are you just being sarcastic?

I don't see what she has to to do with this, but whatever.
Uncle Remus
Look, Jamie Foxx sucks ass as a singer/performer, but he has earned what he's gotten, no matter what. Montana's just being a contrarian.
Nick
I'm pretty sure David Alan Grier could be in the same position Foxx is in had the chips fallen his way.

Jamie Foxx has talent, puh-leeze.
Hans Christian Anderson
QUOTE(Campaigner @ Jan 6 2007, 07:51 PM) [snapback]282906[/snapback]

Thing with Jim is that if it's someone he's reviewed before, you're pretty much guaranteed you know how the review will pan out even before you've read or heard it.

i.e no matter how crap an album could be, he'll never trash the Flaming Lips or Wilco, never praise a Ryan Adams album no matter how good it is, always be cautious about an album by a band or artist that's been around as long as his waist is wide.



this is pretty right on, although i still like reading/listening to jim. at least his "left field" picks are more interesting than Kot's.
undo
QUOTE(Nick @ Jan 7 2007, 12:09 AM) [snapback]282947[/snapback]

I'm pretty sure David Alan Grier could be in the same position Foxx is in had the chips fallen his way.

Jamie Foxx has talent, puh-leeze.

QUOTE(Damo Suzuki @ Jan 3 2007, 02:01 PM) [snapback]280517[/snapback]

ah. the subtle racism of the somb. feels like (internet) home.

Montana
QUOTE(Nick @ Jan 7 2007, 02:09 AM) [snapback]282947[/snapback]

I'm pretty sure David Alan Grier could be in the same position Foxx is in had the chips fallen his way.

Jamie Foxx has talent, puh-leeze.



Exactly. Lots of "stars" these days, very little actual talent. The media has grown a larger "star" market because of a growing media/digital delivery system. These guys are so dellusional they think they are important artists that have to spread their"skills" from films to music or vice versa when the truth is WB or Fox just needed a few extra people to fill in a time slot with a weak sitcom.
Uncle Remus
Montana, it's always been that way.
undo
QUOTE(Montana @ Jan 7 2007, 08:28 AM) [snapback]282994[/snapback]

QUOTE(Nick @ Jan 7 2007, 02:09 AM) [snapback]282947[/snapback]

I'm pretty sure David Alan Grier could be in the same position Foxx is in had the chips fallen his way.

Jamie Foxx has talent, puh-leeze.



Exactly. Lots of "stars" these days, very little actual talent. The media has grown a larger "star" market because of a growing media/digital delivery system. These guys are so dellusional they think they are important artists that have to spread their"skills" from films to music or vice versa when the truth is WB or Fox just needed a few extra people to fill in a time slot with a weak sitcom.


http://www.suntimes.com/entertainment/dero...-foxx05.article
QUOTE

Q. I know you have a movie that's making a lot of headlines right now, Jamie, but I'm a music critic -- let's talk about what's really important!

A. Amen! It's really been hectic, because I've had to promote the movie, and in between, I've been rehearsing. Last night, we ran the show a few times, and I tell you, man, it's musically cooking! That was my main thing: I wanted the music to be great.

I had a chance recently to see the Rolling Stones. I go to a lot of urban shows, but I got to see the Stones, and it gave me some inspiration, because of how Mick Jagger puts it down. He is not playing around; for the whole two hours, it's just non-stop.

Q. So are you playing with a live band?

A. Yeah, brother -- no canned music here! I told all the guys, "We are gonna hang out on this tour and have some fun!"


...


Q. I have to be honest here, Jamie: As a music critic, most of the actors I've ever seen who've tried to sing -- Keanu Reeves, Juliette Lewis, Russell Crowe -- have failed miserably.

A. I know what you mean, but I think I cheated: I came from music. I went to college on a music scholarship, and when I got to L.A., I was trying to do that, but the next thing you know, I got onto television and into the movies. Everything kind of took off unexpectedly, which I love, and I never got back to the music. In order for me to get back, I needed the comedy, and I needed a Ray Charles kind of role.

After that, I was able to get into music with some real heavy people, producers like Timbaland and Kanye. If it hadn't worked out the way it did, I would have probably still been out there doing music, but maybe I wouldn't have been successful at it. Hip-hop killed the R&B singer for a while, and I don't know if people would have been listening.


He honestly sounds like your kind of guy. I don't know why you're slagging him so.
Origin
I think Jim will be disappointed to find out this thread is more about Jamie Foxx now.
Nipper
QUOTE(BobtheSquid @ Jan 6 2007, 10:48 PM) [snapback]282905[/snapback]

QUOTE(Montana @ Jan 6 2007, 07:53 PM) [snapback]282891[/snapback]

You also think the Sound of Lies is the best Jayhawks album.


Well, duh.


I got this recently.

Montana was right.
Campaigner
QUOTE(Hans Christian Anderson @ Jan 7 2007, 03:45 PM) [snapback]282952[/snapback]


this is pretty right on, although i still like reading/listening to jim. at least his "left field" picks are more interesting than Kot's.


This actually got me thinking about how DeRo recused himself from scoring 'At War With the Mystics' last year. Obviously he didn't think it was much because the "I can't vote because I wrote the book on these guys" wouldn't have mattered if he thought it to be a fucking masterpiece. He would've said something along the lines of "even though I wrote the book on these guys, it's still a big 'buy it' on the patented blah-blah spout some more crap..."

So by saying that he can't vote because he wrote the book is just another way of saying "I thought it was shit, but I can't say it because I wrote a book on the guys so I'll say that I wrote the book on the guys so I don't have to say it's shit".

Just a thought anyway...

Uncle Remus
He didn't think it was shit, actually. He ranked it at #35 in his list of the best albums of 2006 here

it ranked higher than his also loved The Strokes, Slayer & The Roots
Duff.
He was also audibly dismayed when Greg said he didn't like it. His decision to recuse himself was honest.

It's still hilarious that he liked the Clipse album. But we all got our contradictions, I suppose.
Jigga
Greg and Jim liking the clipse album is hillaris though. 4 or 5 yrs ago these guys were on message hip hop only. Its good to see them embrace it though, sometimes its not just about message music, gotta have fun and some dark tales in there also. I think Jeff Chang is becoming a huge influence on them, they are cool with him and he is expanding their tastes. Even the fishscale album was a surprise to me on both thier lists. I couldnt belive when Jim gave Biggie Duests a good review I was like what? I am telling you thats the last interseting critic out there. I am sick of pitchfork, stylus, tiny mixtapes and all these deadbeat students writing indulgent crap.
Campaigner
QUOTE(Bhickman @ Jan 8 2007, 02:42 PM) [snapback]283405[/snapback]

He didn't think it was shit, actually. He ranked it at #35 in his list of the best albums of 2006 here

it ranked higher than his also loved The Strokes, Slayer & The Roots


You honestly think though that if it were a masterpiece to his ears he'd recuse himself from giving it a rating?

To me, anything less than a 'buy it' on the absolutely crappy ratings system he and Kot have isn't a good advertisment for whatever books Jim has written on the band and he knows that, hence him not giving it a rating.

As for it ranking higher than The Strokes, Slayer & the Roots; that doesn't mean much at all because all four albums were pretty shit.

That's my take on it anyway.

Some Girl
QUOTE(Jigga @ Jan 8 2007, 02:20 AM) [snapback]283463[/snapback]

I am sick of pitchfork, stylus, tiny mixtapes and all these deadbeat students writing indulgent crap.

I feel like everyone writes and votes polictically these days (when it's no longer needed to prove a point (which you could get away with a few years ago during the boom)). I go to the parties, I run into these kids everywhere. 'I write for...' Shut up, you dress like a douchebag and you live like a slob who thinks he's Jack Kerouac.

Jim's year-end list was nothing like mine but it didn't piss me off because it was a personal list and you can tell the dude tried to have a clear mind. Like Chris Ott, Jim is one of our last true assholes. None of this faux stuff.

My personal opinion is that both the Trib and Sun Times need to get more worldly in their music selections. Come on, you guys woulda loved the Nouvelle Vague show. Bossanova-ed out post-punk covers by hip gypsies using their whole bodies to sing and bang on the drums. Kinda major.
Jigga
The Roots album was far from shitty. People throw around dumb comments on here all the time That was one.
Uncle Remus
he obviously gave it a "buy it" rating, though. it's not at #70 or something? I think he honestly recused himself from reviewing it in the paper simply because it came out at the same time as his book on them. I don't even see what the big deal is ultimately. It's obvious he likes it no matter what.
Some Girl
QUOTE(Jigga @ Jan 8 2007, 02:20 AM) [snapback]283463[/snapback]

I am sick of pitchfork, stylus, tiny mixtapes and all these deadbeat students writing indulgent crap.

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Basically I feel like there's not enough exploring anymore. It's all a 'what he heard, she heard' blogger circle jerk of the same sphere of bands. Find music on your own. I can't remember the last time I heard, 'I was on vacation and flipping through some records at...'

I get my music rex from label compilations, mixes, friends, and trusting my sensibilities on random stuff. Age 23, Some Girl becomes an oldster.
yancy
Not only did Jim write the Lips book, but he also spent a fair amount time in the studio while Mystics was being recorded. That plus his obvious fandom adds up to a lot of bias, so I believe his decision to not rate the album was honest and fair.
elc
who's Jim Derogatis?
Uncle Remus
his ears must have started burning ... he's online
BobtheSquid
He's reading this thread.
Campaigner
QUOTE(Bhickman @ Jan 9 2007, 12:24 AM) [snapback]283559[/snapback]

he obviously gave it a "buy it" rating, though. it's not at #70 or something? I think he honestly recused himself from reviewing it in the paper simply because it came out at the same time as his book on them. I don't even see what the big deal is ultimately. It's obvious he likes it no matter what.


Alright, points taken.

Back to my original point though - I think Jim's reviewing style is so fiercely loyal that no matter what crap a band such as The Flaming Lips put out - he'll never trash them.

QUOTE(Jigga @ Jan 9 2007, 12:23 AM) [snapback]283556[/snapback]

The Roots album was far from shitty. People throw around dumb comments on here all the time That was one.


Dude, stupid comments?

You call Oprah sexy in your sig.

And The Roots album was nowhere near as good as what they'd put out before.
Jigga
SomeGirl
QUOTE
I feel like everyone writes and votes polictically these days (when it's no longer needed to prove a point (which you could get away with a few years ago during the boom)). I go to the parties, I run into these kids everywhere. 'I write for...' Shut up, you dress like a douchebag and you live like a slob who thinks he's Jack Kerouac.

Jim's year-end list was nothing like mine but it didn't piss me off because it was a personal list and you can tell the dude tried to have a clear mind. Like Chris Ott, Jim is one of our last true assholes. None of this faux stuff.

My personal opinion is that both the Trib and Sun Times need to get more worldly in their music selections. Come on, you guys woulda loved the Nouvelle Vague show. Bossanova-ed out post-punk covers by hip gypsies using their whole bodies to sing and bang on the drums. Kinda major.



I agree with all of this. These students really need to stop coming at me like that movie expert in Annie Hall going at Woody ALlen in the theatre que. I like what I like. These students can write the longest essay on the most meaningless shit I ever heard. That waht creative writing class is leading too these days. People need to take up more science subjects at college, these arts and writing class is just wastying their parents money.


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