1. Scott Walker - Tilt
2. Squarepusher - Music Is Rotted One Note
3. My Bloody Valentine - Loveless
4. Radiohead - OK Computer
5. Primal Scream - Screamadelica

what are yours?

thats a fucking load of bullshit man. no definitely maybe no this is hardcore no la's !

definitely maybe
the la's
this is hardcore
modern life is rubbish
loveless/ songs from northern britain


oh and who is that girl in your picture ? is she Ethiopian there is a hot Ethiopian girl in one of my classes.

01. Swervedriver - Mezcal Head
02. Bark Psychosis - Hex
03. The Fall - Levitate
04. Stereolab - Transient Random-Noise Bursts With Announcements
05. Disco Inferno - DI Go Pop

not too big on brit pop. i do like "different class" a fair bit though. this board seems like like brit pop and those albums that you've mentioned a lot. but i'm interested in seeing some "alternative" choices for the uk music of that period.

that girl is russian. she's a DJ, who's aparently brining raves back to moscow.

wow, she can't be a ethnic russian, can she ?

1. OK Computer- Radiohead
2. Parklife- Blur
3. Definitely Maybe- Oasis
4. Common People- Pulp
5. The Man Who- Travis

no
probably half russian

WHAT IS WITH YOU PEOPLE AND THESE LISTS. JESUS CHRIST.

They separate the men from the boys.

I think a better list like this would be of records that fit the Cool Brittania aesthetic. VERY British records. That Squarepusher record HAS no nationality.

instead of just naming records by pulp, happy mondays, b&s, orbital, boards of canada, massive attack, saint etienne, radiohead, suede, blur, etc, here are a few that don't get talked about often enough:

KLF: Chill Out
Various: A History of Hardcore
Ragga Twins: Reggae Owes Me Money
Piano Magic: Low Birth Weight
Field Mice: Coastal / For Keeps
Herbert: Around the House



perhaps, but Warp couldn't have been founded anywhere but the UK (hell, maybe nowhere but sheffield at the time it was launched), and spusher was a quintessential part of that label in the 90s.

edit: the whole notion of 'cool britannia' is more to do with nostalgiac ideas about what was quintessentially british in, like, the 60s anyway-- mostly London-based, too. not even Northern. One could rather easily argue that jungle, Bristoian trip-hop, Saint Etienne, superclub-friendly dance music, Spice Girls, the start of 2-step, etc is more quintessentially UK in the 90s - esp. if you consider that stuff could have only come from not only the UK but the 90s.

i think it came from mars. it's ethnicity is martian. definitely.

what are these like?
klf sounds familiar but i just cant seem to remember what it was about.

Yeah, certainly a genre that I don't particularly care for.

Not too big on the Smiths, either. Or Bowie. Even some early Eno... I just feel remarkably distanced from it. Even when I try to listen to some early Supergrass singles because they're rowdy and fuzzy and punky and shit... eh.

I know a lot of people on this board and in real life who are totally down with all this Suede/Blur/Oasis/Pulp/Primal Scream/Manic Street Preachers/Stone Roses/Morrissey stuff. And I like some of that stuff, but hell, I somehow managed to never go through a "OMG BRITPOP NME BLOCK ROCKIN' BEATS MADCHESTER JANGLY GUITARS" phase, which made me feel somewhat alienated in my formative years posting here, what with folks like Morgan, Bill, Ben Welsh, Scott, Sam, and others being so huge on all those things.

Those albums that I posted are great, though. And Spiritualized's Ladies & Gentlemen We Are Floating In Space (seriously, how is it that OK Computer gets jizzed upon by everyone everywhere, and this album isn't? Life and its mysteries...) Oh, and Ash's 1977. So many great singles on there.

Still, there are already several records mentioned in this thread that I totally want to hear one of these days.

your list is great though!

Cold.







Kid A seems to be largely based on that album too.

stylus's feature about the best sounding albums had it over ok computer. the author actually said that ok computer was a bad sounding record. not sure about it myself, but i do know that "ladies and gentleme..." simply melts your brain. i really wasn't ready for it a few year back when i bought it, but it's definitely growing on me. i need to listen to it more.

wow montana and i agree on something. that album blows ok computer away big time.



can i get that link off of you.

It is. Lots of clipping, compressed and tiny sounding. Radiohead fixed this with Kid A, which has fantastic sound quality (more like Wish You Were Here in terms of a kind of thick liquid organic sound).

If I remember correctly, this was the time they switched from digital reverb to a plate reverb system, which makes all the difference in the world in terms of sound quality.

i'll look it up

http://www.stylusmagazine.com/articles/sta...997-present.htm


Of course though, Stylus has to prove they are complete fucking morons with their "worst sounding" list:

http://www.stylusmagazine.com/articles/sta...997-present.htm

well, klf has done loads of different things and what they're known for most is their faux stadium house hits. Chill Out is, hmm, I'm going to steal tom ewing's description-- it sounds like a record dreaming about another record. which doesn't say much. it's a sort of drifty, ambient house roadtrip through the southern and western u.s.-- but an old-fashioned romanticized version of that. I would love to know if Montana's heard it. It's the sort of thing he might love and then tell the haters that they need to listen to it on the right sort of drugs. I can't imagine listening to it in the daytime actually.

ragga twins is a ragga jungle record, but really heavy on the vocals. from the Shut Up and Dance label.

Field Mice is heart-on-sleeve Sarah Records indie pop. very few.

piano magic...that record sounds like autumn threatening to turn into winter. it even has a song called "snowfall soon". it's like a polite version of the records on paves list or a literary, british version of morr records stuff.

A History of Hardcore is just a comp of Moving Shadow and Suburban Base d'nb.

ha, these are all hard to explain!

http://www.stylusmagazine.com/articles/sta...997-present.htm

and a quote:

hmm... this would've been a lot easier had it just been britpop albums, but i'll play along.

ocean colour scene - moseley shoals
primal scream - screamadelica
pulp - different class
radiohead - the bends
supergrass - i should coco

the craziest shit is that ladies and gentlemen and ok computer were released on the same day. kinda like the british rock version of when enter the 36 chambers and midnight marauders dropped on the same day in november 93.

paves is totally right though. ok computer = fan-fucking-tastic record; ladies and gentlemen = equally if not more fan-fucking-tastic record.

Same day as that Prodigy album too, which was MUCH more hyped at the time.

Also the same day as my 2nd and favorite Jesus Lizard show (which pretty much makes it a lock for my favorite show ever). Good day.

Yeah, I'm a fan of those Southall articles. I read both the Bad-Sounding and Good-Sounding ones the other day, actually. He's right about OK Computer sounding like crap. I don't know jack-shit about the technical aspects of digital vs. analog, but I do know a great analog sounding record when I hear one. Not just Ladies & Gentlemen..., but also Unwound's Leaves Turn Inside You, Bark Psychosis's Hex, Mark Hollis's solo album or either of those late-period Talk Talk records, Weakling's Dead As Dreams, Shellac's 1000 Hurts, Scott Walker's The Drift... these are albums that had great care put into their recording processes. And frankly, fuck vinyl, because these albums were recorded so wonderfully that even on digital equipment they manage to take you into sonic worlds that digital recordings just can't reproduce. I believe it was in Nick's first "Perfect Sound Forever" article where he wrote at great lengths about how so many records sound like absolute poop because everything is just pumped way up in the mix, and the quiet parts aren't even quiet anymore. Whereas with those albums that I mentioned, you can actually feel the ambience of the room, and (as corny as it sounds) you can feel the instruments sighing. OK Computer... was it recorded digitally? I have no idea. But it doesn't sound like real people playing real music in the way that Ladies & Gentlemen... and all of those other albums do. I just picture a bunch of pretentious pricks in a recording studio nodding their heads along with the music and giving each other "thumbs up" signs. Not sure what that means, if anything at all.

Also, it's boring.

Okay, I'll try:

1. Pulp - Different Class
2. Oasis - Definitely Maybe
3. MBV - Loveless
4. Disco Inferno - D.I. Go Pop
5. Tricky - Maxinquaye

Also toss Mercury Rev's "Deserters Songs" into this list of great sounding modern records. Absolutey sick music as well as sound quality. "Funny Bird" is amazing.


http://www.breathingprotection.com/sound_o...nd_fridmann.pdf

Scott Walker is an American. Pick another.

'Cool Britannia' is also a very middle class ideal tied very closely to the momentum of the politics of the time (and even the magazines, comedy and TV.) Obviously none of the other genres / sub-genres Scott mentions above were founded as anti-grunge (even American) sentiments.



Not true in the UK. Fat of The Land is July 1st, OK Computer and LAGWAFIS 16th June. That record could only have been released in June 1997. God did it rain that month.

Loveless is not a British album, UK maybe but definitely not British.

Lesser mentioned classics

The House of Love - The House of Love
Dubnobasswithmyheadman - Underworld
Reading, Writing and Arithmetic - The Sundays
Jollification - The Lightning Seeds
Giant Steps - The Boo Radleys
The Holy Bible - The Manic Street Preachers
Dog Man Star - Suede
H.M.S. Fable - Shack

i can't hide my 'britpop' routes when it comes to uk 90s;

I thought it was Irish.

So with that in mind:

01. Iron Monkey – Our Problem
02. Boards Of Canada – Music Has the Right to Children
03. Massive Attack – Mezzanine
04. Wildhearts – Fishing for Luckies
05. Radiohead – OK Computer

And the rest of the 20:

06. Acen – Trip 2 The Moon
07. Aphex Twin – Come to Daddy
08. Tricky – Pre Millennium Tension
09. Portishead – Dummy
10. Godflesh – Pure
11. Therapy? – Troublegum
12. Underworld – Second Toughest in the Infants
13. Mogwai – Come on Die Young
14. Leftfield – Leftism
15. Squarepusher – Big Loada
16. Basement Jaxx – Remedy
17. Supergrass – In it for the Money
18. Pitchshifter – www.pitchshifter.com
19. Paradise Lost – Draconian Times
20. Scorn – Zander

Yeah it's Irish / British too early in the morning to remember which members were from Belfast (0) and which from Dublin (2 including Shields).

should've been more specific with the question. sorry.

yeah, those are all really good


UK have any sort of common-law citizenship thing? Walker has lived there for more than 40 years! I can't imagine wth their work permit laws he could live and work there for decades without...some sort of ties to the country.

Yeah, he more than qualifies for applying for dual nationality but I guess he just doesn't want to. He's listed on Wikipedia as an 'American expatriate in the United Kingdom'.

Haaaaaaa.

I forgot about The Holy Bible. Consider that #6.

1. Massive Attack - Blue Lines
2. Radiohead - The Bends
3. The Divine Comedy - Promenade
4. Oasis - Definitely Maybe
5. Pulp - Different Class

3rd page and no mention of "laughing stock"?

I sort of mention it on the second page.

gah! i went and did the irish thing too, replace promenade with in it for the money, modern life is rubbish, the come to daddy ep, second toughest in infants, definitely maybe or tigermilk

yeah, thank you - i forgot belle and sebastian and supergrass. no more lists

Hannnon is from Northern Ireland. Album counts as a UK album, just not a British one.

ha, for some reason i thought it he was from the republic. curse my foolishness

Talk Talk - Laughing Stock
Tindersticks I
Barry Adamson - Oedepus schmoedipus
The Auteurs - After Murder Park
Tricky - Maxinquaye

These are the records I'm still going back to now. I lack discipline so I'm also throwing in

Baader Meinhof - s/t
Tindersticks II
PJ Harvey - Rid of me
Sabres of Paradise - Haunted dancehall
Gallon Drunk - From the heart of the town
Shack - Waterpistol
Aphex Twin - Selected ambient works vol 1
and everything by Orbital.

Everything here is English. Celts need another list.

sorry about that - you're absolutely right. my bad. bring on belle and sebasian

I saw Spiritualized open for Radiohead when they were each on their tours for each of these respectively in 98 at Rosemont. That was a great fucking show. Cost like over $400 for the tix from a broker too but I figured Id never get a chance to see Radiohead play such a small setting again. Was worth every penny.